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Yeah exactly, some people here don't like what Apple is trying to feed us. So you were saying those people in minority.
But then you acknowledge iPhone has 15.3% market share.

So guess who's on the minority exactly? Talking about 2 contradictive posts.
Oh so you are admitting you aren’t an Apple user and are just here trolling? I’ve gotten that impression all day from many people, thank you for confirming that.
 
I bought my first Bluetooth headphones two months ago. Haven't looked back. Cables feel all wrong now.

I like good audio, and I can't hear any difference in quality.

Even i feel everyone will get used to wireless. I myself was just about to purchase a bluetooth earphones a few months back, similar to airpods, but because the rumours, i waited to see what Apple will offer. Overall i liked it. I hope the audio quality is good, as price is not cheap at all.
 
Of course not. I'm saying that for them $40-$50 is pocket change, while for others $40-$50 can pay for lunch for a week.
Yes, and those who need to lunch on $40-$50 a week absolutely must have a $649 iPhone, not to mention a wireless data plan for at least $50/month!
 
Oh so you are admitting you aren’t an Apple user and are just here trolling? I’ve gotten that impression all day from many people, thank you for confirming that.
What are you talking about? You get caught in a lie, and you try to deflect with personal attacks.

*Where is that ignore feature again?*
 
What are you talking about? You get caught in a lie, and you try to deflect with personal attacks.

*Where is that ignore feature again?*
You are the one that admitted you and those like you weren’t part of that 15.3% to begin with. If Apple hasn’t and isn’t selling what you want to buy then why troll here complaining about something you’ve never wanted anyway?
 
I don't get customers who feel like customers giving feedback is 'whining and complaining'. Your attitude seems like 'shut up and love whatever they give us.' "Somehow I doubt that attitude carries over to other products you buy....

It's precious that you think Apple is listening to the dozen or so people here who complain here day-in day-out for years and think that they are actually giving feedback that's being acted upon.

My attitude is that if the companies that make your phone/TV/stereo/car/printer/computer/clothing/appliances/etc aren't providing what you need, vote with your wallet and jump ship. There are plenty of competing vendors out there. I'd like to say Be Bold," but I really shouldn't have to. I'm really astonished people are so afraid to do that. For me it's second nature. Easy, and it feels good!

Why continue to honor a company with your hard-earned dollars if they're not making products that you want? That makes no sense.
 
You are the one that admitted you and those like you weren’t part of that 15.3% to begin with. If Apple hasn’t and isn’t selling what you want to buy then why troll here complaining about something you’ve never wanted anyway?
Who admitted what?

You are losing it, big time. Typing this and doing other work on an iMac, while streaming the game on a MBP, with an iPhone in my pocket. But I HATE all Apple does :rolleyes:

It's you who cannot fathom the reality that people can like 90% of what Apple does, but can also dislike(even angry with) the other 10%.

Not worth it. Now I AM going to find the ignore button.

Buh BYE
 
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Well, maybe it's time to "invest" in another ecosystem. Samsung's or google's, perhaps.

Makes no sense being unhappy every single day with no plan moving forward. Be bold and courageous. Make that move and don't look back.

If I were in a similar situation I'd make the change. No way would I want to embarrass myself looking weak complaining everyday with no chance of getting out of the predicament, hoping tiny rants will be heard and somehow change something. That's silly.

Phones and gadgets are just tools to help you in life. Don't like where your tool supplier is going, find another vendor.


I totally agree with this, and I do not think you'll be disappointed. Apple has transitioned from leader to follower and today's announcement was nothing short of tired and boring, again. The loss of the headphone port is a slap in the face and provides zero improvement unless you think the amount of space saved is worth more than the space and price of the dongles you need to carry around to support your personal requirements. People defending the change are borderline hilarious in their false equivalence arguments. No, it's not the same as an optical drive.

So I agree, just leave Apple. I did, and I only look back to reflect on the nostalgia and memories of how great this company once was. Where's the innovation that once led us into amazing new categories and experiences? Is it the Watch? Is this the new standard for Apple innovation? How sad. I am nostalgic for the company that once had me blocking out my calendar in anticipation of their product announcements.
 
Um, Bluetooth functionality comes from the headunit, not 'the car'.

It's 2016. If your headunit doesn't have Bluetooth, you should probably consider buying a new one. Lots of drivers play music in their car via Bluetooth.
Great solution.

want to listen to audio and charge your iphone in the car?
GET A NEW CAR

Brilliant idea, you are a credit to your species
 
How far is your commute that your phone wont get you to work on a single charge?
That is not the point, or a fact that's worth sharing. The point is that it's not just a charge for commute, it's what you do there, how you use it there and on the way back, and the rest of the day.
 
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Who admitted what?

You are losing it, big time. Typing this and doing other work on an iMac, while streaming the game on a MBP, with an iPhone in my pocket. But I HATE all Apple does :rolleyes:

It's you who cannot fathom the reality that people can like 90% of what Apple does, but can also dislike(even angry with) the other 10%.

Not worth it. Now I AM going to find the ignore button.

Buh BYE
And those that are having a hissy fit are in the minority. With that much tech the chance you thought I was talking about anything other than a minority of Apple users (a minority of that 15.3%) is very low.

Again, those that desperately need the analog port are a minority of Apple users, most don’t care. Those that do think they need that analog port can use the dongle, those that think they need to use the lightening port for charging and the analog port can do so. Those of the majority that really don’t care will just keep trucking on to the future.

Ignore away.
 
Um, Bluetooth functionality comes from the headunit, not 'the car'.

It's 2016. If your headunit doesn't have Bluetooth, you should probably consider buying a new one. Lots of drivers play music in their car via Bluetooth.

Yeah, drop $20K so you can use a $600 device.

The stupid, it burns....
 
So let me get this straight - we now have to carry around an adaptor AND a dock with us, just in case we might want to charge and listen to our iPhone at the same time. What about in car use?
So how many people carry their USB lead around just in case they need to charge their iPhone? I have one in my car, one at my desk and one home. Not that I'm saying you'll need 2-3 adapters lying around.
 
My favorite part of "courage" is that not only does Schiller look a bit like Bert Lahr, but he actually pronounces the word much as Lahr does in The Wizard of Oz.

 



Apple's new iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus ship without a headphone jack, requiring customers to use either Bluetooth or Lightning-equipped headphones. Many customers who routinely charge their iPhones while also listening to music have been questioning whether that usage scenario will possible sans headphone jack, and as it turns out, Apple has a solution.

In an email to a customer, Apple SVP of marketing Phil Schiller says that while he prefers to use the wireless AirPods to listen to music, customers who want to listen to wired headphones while charging an iPhone 7 can use the Apple Lightning Dock, which has a built-in headphone jack.

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Priced at $49 and available in colors to match each of the iPhones, the Lightning dock has both a USB input and a 3.5mm headphone jack built in, making it perfect for customers who want to charge and listen to music at the same time. Unfortunately, it's an expensive solution compared to former method of using 3.5mm EarPods and a Lightning cable, which came free with the iPhone. Belkin also just announced a $40 Lightning Audio + Charge RockStar adapter designed to let users listen to Lightning headphones while charging, but it's both bulky and pricy.

To ease the transition away from the 3.5mm headphone jack, Apple is providing customers with both a Lightning to 3.5mm adapter and a set of EarPods with a Lightning connector. Of course, when using these accessories, charging is not possible at the same time.

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Apple's ultimate goal seems to be to transition customers to wireless headphones like its recently announced AirPods. While on stage at yesterday's event, Schiller explained that one of the reasons why Apple moved away from the headphone jack was to push wireless technology forward. The AirPods, which have been in development since the Apple Watch was conceived, feature a proprietary wireless W1 chip and up to 24 hours of battery life implemented through a charging case.

AirPods, priced at $159 and similar in design to EarPods, are entirely wireless with no cord connecting the two earpieces and feature technology like gesture recognition, voice isolation, and more. AirPods have been receiving largely favorable reviews, but $159 is a lot to pay for the ideal iPhone 7 music experience.

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Apple executives have explained that the removal of the headphone jack took a lot of "courage," but was necessary to free up valuable space and improve technology in the iPhone 7 and future iPhones.

(Thanks, Zaheen!)

Article Link: Apple's Phil Schiller Recommends Lightning Dock for Charging an iPhone 7 While Listening to Music
 
I'm a bit of an Apple Fanboy, for sure. And I really wasn't all that bothered by the removal of the headphone jack. I'm not an audiophile, so I've always been content to just use the included EarPods. So with the iPhone 7, my experience won't change. I can honestly say that I don't remember ever needing to charge my device while listening to music via headphones. If my phone is stationary (plugged in), then it's either in my car or I'll plug it into my home theater unit (though these days, with Spotify, I just run Spotify on one of many devices plugged into that home theater unit).

So again, I don't mind that the headphone jack is gone and, in fact, will probably buy wireless EarPods. Er... AirPods.

But here's what bugs me about that response. Say I buy the dock. Say I want to listen to music at my desk using my headphones. As I said above, I always just use whatever EarPods came in the box. Of course, I have a couple of old pair from previous devices but that's beside the point. Phil Schiller and Apple want me to be "all in" with their new way of doing audio. They want me to say adios to all of my analog audio stuff (which isn't much, but bear with me) and reinvest in Apple branded, iPhone compatible wired and wireless audio, or third party Bluetooth/lightning gear. I get it.

So that's why this response bothers me. Even apple isn't "all in" here. The fact that I can't plug the included headphones into the dock, or use them while the device is docked (admittedly, I can't imagine ever wanting to, but the subject of this post is a response to Schillers proposed solution) is just absurd. It seems like an insane oversight. Apple wants me to be so fully invested in lightning that my new smartphone won't even be compatible with 100 years worth of audio devices, but they themselves are so divested from it that you can't use the included headphones with their own dock, despite that being a long touted feature of the dock.
 
So I have to take my Dock on the plane to charge and listen? I cant use the wireless headphones if I follow the rules.
 
So let me get this straight - we now have to carry around an adaptor AND a dock with us, just in case we might want to charge and listen to our iPhone at the same time. What about in car use?
Buy a Bluetooth adapter piece for your car instead of buying a new phone.
 
will this silence the whining? no. of course not. there must always be whining.

there was also a BT clip posted to MR not long ago that had a 3.5mm jack in it, i believe. simple solution for older cars (or a replacement head unit, of course).

This solution does not work with the included headphones, and it's supposed to stop the whining?
 
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I listen while charging all day at work. I have bluetooth in my car but in 2016, the kia soul still has crumby bluetooth quality. i have some lg tones and the quality there sucks as well. I use aux in my car while charging. I could play though usb with the lightning cord, but i dont want to have to mess with the radio and phone syncing with one another. I just want to play from my phone as a standalone device like i have for the last 6 years.

I'm not railing on the new phone however, I was waiting to see the 7 before I upgraded from my 6s to the SE and now i am completely confident in that purchase.
Sounds like your car is the problem.
 
No, you don't necessarily pay for what you get. "Audiophiles" buy "DACs" that are a packaged product - with power supply, other circuitry such as a digital interface, connectors, and amplifiers - all in a box.

Ultimately there's a semiconductor DAC inside. There are not that many vendors of semiconductor DAC chips. AT THE CHIP LEVEL there's no reason a good DAC costs more than one that's mediocre. It's what the engineer puts around it at the product (i.e. box) level that differentiates one packaged DAC product over another. That's where the cost comes in. Along with enormous margins.

Again, at the chip level, DACs are not expensive. DAC dies are tiny, the semiconductor process is extremely mature, clock rates are relatively low for audio, and yields are very high. That's what drives the cost of DACs at the chip level - die size and yield, leading to how many good die you get per semiconductor wafer. Speaking as a design engineer for a company that made DAC chips.

Since you used bold and a design engineer . End of discussion .
 
So I have to take my Dock on the plane to charge and listen? I cant use the wireless headphones if I follow the rules.
Rules? Bluetooth's permitted on a plane. Heck, all the planes have wi-fi internet now.

It's just your cellphone radio that has to be off in flight (not that having it on would do you any good anyway)
 
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