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Since I always worked around their [Apple's] bad ideas, my next move will be to see if I can live with an iPad Pro and keyboard combo.

Maybe it [new MBP] will be a success, maybe it won't.

If you, and other hundreds of thousands switch to an iPad Pro as their primary computer plaform, the new MBP will be considered a success in the eyes of The Cook!
 
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btw, combo of typing and tapping seems extremely unintuitive and clunky. im seeing demos of taps not registering
 
To me, this isn't about Mac v iPhone. Most owners overlap anyway in this Apple ecosystem. Most here own several different Apple product. So don't expect deliberating their merits like the scene in Pirates of Silicon Valley when Jobs wanted arguments between Lisa v Mac teams.

I still believe smartphones are the more important gadget to have because it goes everywhere with us. Our most personal gadget. But Mac OSX and iOS don't really act the same no matter how much some people say iPhone is like having a computer in our pocket. Mac acts like a real computer. While mobile phones and tablets are basically a bigger evolution of portable media players but with apps and a camera.

This is about the divided attention Apple gives to iOS and Mac. It isn't really split when computers carried Apple's brand for the previous 30 years before iPhone and this is how Mac is appreciated? Apple designs for experience? Are you sure, Phil? Or experience to make more money on us by making divisive (courageous) decisions (omissions)?
 
Honestly I am so glad I got the MacBook Pro in my signature last year. I saved £699, the price of an iPhone and I get to keep my built in HDMI port, SD Card Slot, more compatible USB-A ports, Magsafe, better keyboard too.

I honestly think this is the first time in Apple history that I think the previous generation product is superior. If I was ordering today I'd rather have the old model.
 
The most disturbing thing about this article is that it shows that Apple is probably completely lost for at least a generation with these jokers at the helm. If this took two years of hard work, and they think that this price point for this level of 'innovation' is not a joke - then the company is gone.

We are back to the Sculley years on Steroids.
That's exactly what is happening with swtor (a starwars pc game) the developers are completely lost, we have the 3 stooges there...Apparently is a tendency on many IT companies right now...
 
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The reality is these prices are in line with late-'08 MBP prices. When I built my '08 machine, it was a loaded BTO machine and it was 3 grand.

Aside from the huge SSD options now, which there was nothing comparable in 2008, the loaded 512 machine is right around $3k, so pretty on par with 8 years ago.

So everyone bitching must be fairly new to Macs, because they've been comparatively quite cheap for several years now.
Wow, just wow
Tech goes down in price year over year except at Apple. Now that IS magical.
 
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What he's saying sounds reasonable but the reality is that none of the new range are affordable. Not for my company, not for my children's schools and this is the first time that the price is so excessive that I have completely written it off. I know they pitch at aspirational marketing but this is simply unachievable.
The original Mac (with 128K of RAM) cost over $5500 in today's dollars. The original PowerBook was over $4000 in today's dollars. That's the base configuration.
 
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The original Mac (with 128K of RAM) cost over $5500 in todays dollars. The original PowerBook was over $4000 in todays dollars.

Yeah but that's not how it is now. You can get an XPS 15" for $1700 with similar specs and performance. Apple needs a Time Machine to get to the current year if your point is the old stuff cost a shed load.
 
As long as margins balance it out, then it's fine to sell fewer units. That's what the iPad Pro is doing now.
Apple took this approach once before. If I remember correctly, it didn't work out well for them. Not only did they nearly go out of business (three months from bankruptcy), but they had to be bailed out - BY MICROSOFT!!
 
It's more clear now than ever just how much Steve Jobs drove Apple. They got by for a few years ok until it was time to start adopting newer technologies, and now it's just a complete mess.

They now go back to charging insane prices for **** that doesn't work with anything else but theirs, and now doesn't even work well with other things within their own ecosystem
Exactly, how do I plug my iPhone into that thing? Oh well, I don't have worry as I won't be buying one.
 
innovative new tech that replaces outdated keyboard real estate and whose context-specific function and customizability will absolutely be useful, but nonetheless doesn't justify the steep price hike.


But this is the Pro line... the F-keys are not "outdated" in many professional contexts... and now you can't touch-type them.

Combined with the port stripping, the storage, and the last gen tech, and the sacrifices for "slimness", it's like Apple is now defining a professional as someone who blogs from a cafe, rather than coders/architects/engineers in offices.
 
'"marks a beginning" of a "very interesting direction"'

Code for more mechanical keys slowly getting replaced by touch-panels?
Very likely. Someday you'll be able to touch-type on a completely configurable keyboard (not just which letters on which keys, but the layout of the "keys" themselves). Need an number pad? You got it. Want a keyboard of emoji? No problem. All the feedback will be haptic/taptic.
 
For me, price isn't the problem. It's what you get for the price that's b.s. I was ready to order a new MacBook Pro today if they delivered a worthy upgrade. This isn't the case. I speced it up to the highest end processor, video card, and 1TB of storage and I'm looking at $3500 for a midrange laptop. I'm going with the new Razer Blade Pro.
 
Well they are trying to price the mac out of the users wallet, so they can kill it off and concentrate on "post pc" devices. I just hope they hurry it up, but release macos to work on traditional hardware. Ill pay $100 a year to apple to never touch windows again. But not $5k++ AUD for yesterdays tech.

I dont want to build a hackintosh. The whole point of a mac is not to deal with that ********. Once apon a time I would reinstall my OS for fun, and tinker. But now I dont have time for that. If I have to spend more time maintaining my computer than I do cleaning the trash each week, I might just as well get windows.
 
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For me, price isn't the problem. It's what you get for the price that's b.s. I was ready to order a new MacBook Pro today if they delivered a worthy upgrade. This isn't the case. I speced it up to the highest end processor, video card, and 1TB of storage and I'm looking at $3500 for a midrange laptop. I'm going with the new Razer Blade Pro.

How is Alienware?
 
I think everyone of us who've come here to bitch about appl, myself included, should just bail this lame company. A dock at the bottom of the screen is definitely not worth all the negative disappointment they spoon out (or don't spoon out) year after year after year. It's always a let down. Every damn time. The dream is over. Apl is what it is. The enthusiasm is gone. All this negativity is toxic to all of us. This last event, really was Apls defining moment. They've had 5 years. 5 years of empty promises. I've lost hope. After 21 years, I'm moving on. I've had enough. Bye bye.
 
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