If they design for experience versus cost, then why such crappy DDR3 RAM ... where is the DDR4 used by virtually all new laptops.
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Apple's Phil Schiller: 'We Don't Design for Price, We Design for the Experience'
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I could not agree with any comment on here more.
Apple priced themselves out of my home in the future if they keep this up. I simply can't justify this premium for macOS anymore. There has always been an Apple Tax, but it's never been this severe since the G4 Cube.
This still counts as designing for experience. By using LPDDR3 instead of LPDDR4, they can increase margins and improve the experience for Apple.
I'm sure that's just what the shareholders wanted to hear Phil say after the stocks slid 3.5% in 2 days.
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I was going to sell my MacBook Air and iPad to buy this but for the model with discreet graphics... I'm looking at a number upwards of $3,000 -- THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS.
I'm sorry guys, I simply can't afford your new computer.
I'm sorry guys, I simply can't afford your new computer.
And the Apple Tax was justified when there was very, very little available with the same build quality - Macs were a breed apart.
We don't live in that world any more. Microsoft, Dell, and even fricking HP are hitting the same physical quality and "magic specialness".
I am also old, compared to the young hoppers, but I love to learn and am into technology.
But, I do not like "innovations" when they are not better than older proven things or make my life more complicated.
Wireless earphones: Why do I have to remember to charge one more thing? Option just taken away and the space in the phone not used. Yes, wires are annoying, but ...........
For me to keep reaching over the keyboard to do something faster is a non advantage. Of all the function keys maybe I use ESC and adjusting volume. On my old 2008 maybe the brightness control.
There are plenty of keyboard shortcuts, so one doesn't have to leave it much.
As somebody else noticed: what happens when you hook up a monitor and close the MBP?
Surely there must be a keyboard with touch bar coming out.
I also wish the interviewers had asked point blank about all the Macs and their future.
At this point most Apple fans feel betrayed. We are already tolerating the constant port removals and honestly how many users really care about thinner and lighter? All notebooks are now in a reasonable weight range and have been for years.
Look at the MacBook history and what people schlepped around, weight was never THE issue.
If anybody was asked: 1 lb more to carry or longer battery life, faster chips etc. the answer is 100% NOT weight. I caught when they mention 17% less of this, 25% less in volume, haha.
I have always been able to work around any screw job Apple put out and understand evolution of technologies. To be fair, dropping floppies and superdrive was correct, leaving 5,400 rpm HDs for years was malicious. So is a 256 GB SSD now.
They won't let us into the machines to tinker , ok. But then at least offer 32 GB.
MagSafe drop, bad idea, but I learned since my last posts that GRIFFIN offers a dongle.
Bestseller written all over it.
No SD slot bad idea, when you start at 8GB machines with 256 GBs
Since I always worked around their bad ideas, my next move will be to see if I can live with an iPad Pro and keyboard combo. That would actually give me the detached screen these MBPs could have had and the best of both worlds. But , it looks as if it's getting harder to cope.
Normally I am patient and can wait to see what develops, but this time I already posted more times in the last hour than all day, just to get rid of my frustration.
Maybe it will be a success, maybe it won't.
I have followed Apple since 1984 with a lot of duds in their line up.
At this moment I just can't see Apple in my long term future!
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Experience? I use these for friggin work Phil.
As long as margins balance it out, then it's fine to sell fewer units. That's what the iPad Pro is doing now.
The touch bar looks like a bit of a gimmick to me. It is something extra for the laptop keyboard users, but what about people using the laptop docked or using a desktop computer? Will new bluetooth keyboards be forthcoming?
I am asking this because the pro apps are being updated to support the bar, but this is only of use on the laptop keyboard. Does Apple think most people do their primary work on laptops? Perhaps the answer to that is seen in the oft stated lack of updates for the desktops.
Between Microsoft's announcement and Apple's, I am more intrigued by the former even though I don't enjoy the Windows 10 experience.
I am asking this because the pro apps are being updated to support the bar, but this is only of use on the laptop keyboard. Does Apple think most people do their primary work on laptops? Perhaps the answer to that is seen in the oft stated lack of updates for the desktops.
Between Microsoft's announcement and Apple's, I am more intrigued by the former even though I don't enjoy the Windows 10 experience.
Phil and Apple executives live in a bubble. Sorry but the latest MBP is a joke when comes to professional needs. Donglefest and 16GB of RAM is unacceptable. What experience is that?
I can live with the high price but I want my ports back and at least 32GB of RAM and option for 64. I am a graphic designer and right now I will be holding on my current MacPro and MBP until they die or Apple finally wake up.
I can live with the high price but I want my ports back and at least 32GB of RAM and option for 64. I am a graphic designer and right now I will be holding on my current MacPro and MBP until they die or Apple finally wake up.
Absolutely. OS X was so much better than XP and Vista...with 7 the "OS X is better" argument weakened, and now with 10 I think it is pretty well established that macOS and Windows are pretty much equals.
Windows now has a Bash shell, Windows has feature parity Adobe software, and Apple is raising prices. It's like they're making the decision for us.
Android just needs a few more years in the oven and Apple won't have anything left to compete with. Many say it's already there.
As I said earlier, there has always been an Apple tax. I don't remember it being so egregious, at least not since the G4 Cube.
i think this announcement is the final nail in the coffin. without Jobs this company has lost its innovative luster. i really do miss his presence. anyone else feel this way?
Complete BS. Apple only cares about the bottom line. Im still going to buy a new MacBook Pro, but the reason they price it at that price is because they can and people will pay it.
On October 27, 2016, Mac died 
RIP Mac!
PS: F U Tim Cook! Everything you touch turns to crap! Just retire already!
RIP Mac!
PS: F U Tim Cook! Everything you touch turns to crap! Just retire already!
The only thing we can do is REFUSE to pay this absurd amount for these products! Apple products have always been more expensive than other PCs but Cook and Schiller are just plan crazy to think loyal Apple users will pay these latest prices. Cook loves to talk about how Apple products are made for everyone. LOL!
It is not the price that scares me, but the fact that it took them two years to design an oled touch bar.
The new laptops also have USB, just the new standard USB-C...
innovative new tech that replaces outdated keyboard real estate and whose context-specific function and customizability will absolutely be useful, but nonetheless doesn't justify the steep price hike.