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You do have that option in the keyboard preferences.
Exactly, so how about offering the DVORAK keyboard layout as an option on the keys themselves.

Or, is Apple lacking the courage to do something like this?
 
I am curious now, where is the power button on the new Macbook Pro with Touch Bar?

It's part of the touch bar.

... Which I guess it could render the entire system incapable of booting if it dies like the fake home button on iPhone 7
 
Basically every company is going to go to this as the middle class in America is dying. In the future, there likely will just be a ultra-rich ruling class and peasant serfs.



I think it would be harder than we think to design a keyboard with the magic strip as it requires the separate SOC. The question is how would they handle the communication between the mac mini/pro/iMac and the keyboard with the integrated SOC. It would be a lot of chatter on the USB-C line; I'm too stupid to understand how they encrypt all that info to prevent other gadgets on the USB-C chain from sniffing passwords, etc. but perhaps some of the smart people here can clarify.

There's no way this would happen without total economic collapse and civil war considering that the computer market and cell phone market would be dead without the middle class. If it's haves and have nots the computer market would collapse on itself since it's dependant on upgrades
 
If you haven't seen it, take a read of "Why Tim Cook is Steve Balmer." I found the article quite insightful, even before today's lackluster announcements.

16GB max RAM, sigh...
That's a really good article. Thank you for posting this. :) After reading the article, the parallels are striking. It's easy to see why Satya Nadella has changed so much about Microsoft; he is an innovator with a passion for building new things. This is the kind of CEO that Apple needs.
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And laughing atop their mountain of cash.
There is a lot more to running a successful company than profits. Long term viability is the real key. What Apple is doing is destroying their future for short term gain by abusing their reputation and user base. People are catching on, and Apple's reputation is slowly being ruined. How long will it be before Apple reaches a critical tipping point, and is no longer viewed as a producer of premium products? What will happen when their tiny percentage of market share starts going elsewhere and the bubble bursts? Apple is setting themselves up for VERY rapid decline.

Personally, I am looking forward to the bubble bursting, not because I want to see Apple go out of business, but because when everything blows up in their face, they will be forced to get back to producing great products.
 
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It's not the price; it's the value. Previous Macbook Pros have been worth the asking price; this one does not seem to be: It's actually much less machine for much more money (It doesn't even have a port to attach the newest iPhone/iPad ; it lacks the MagSafe adapter that has been a shining jewel in Apple's crown for years now, it cannot use a single accessory you own without an adapter/dongle of some sort). That's simply inexcusable.

And USB-C? Is that the same as on the Mini? Here I thought it was the 'Micro-B', which is rather delicate. I've broken one of those already. Somehow got it plugged in upside down into some cheap imported port on some cheap garbage thing.
 
And USB-C? Is that the same as on the Mini? Here I thought it was the 'Micro-B', which is rather delicate. I've broken one of those already. Somehow got it plugged in upside down into some cheap imported port on some cheap garbage thing.


It's unlikely you'll have ever seen a USB-C plug unless you've bought one specifically - it's a great connector, but it's still pretty rare in the wild. I have one on my new Samsung T3 HD.
 
I can't wait for the 'experience' of someone catching the power cord and flinging my $3000 laptop onto the floor.

RIP MagSafe power adapter. :(
 
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Exactly. Everyone thinks that this is 'the last straw' for Apple when the reality is that Apple has become the most valuable company in the world by doing exactly what they are doing right now. Building expensive devices with little consideration to cost while being cut-throat at getting rid of old technologies. You can't both love what Apple has been and want them to become Dell.
Except this is not what Apple have done this time!!! Its not just the pricing that people are upset about, the machine itself is a POS, All the ports have been removed, USB-A is not a legacy port yet, not even close., a shithouse GPU in the high end models, Removed Magsafe WTF!!, DDR3 memory, Last years CPU tech, i could go on. You only need to read all the negativity on this site to see people have had enough.
 
I'll see that $200 and raise you $99 for a cool $299.
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Nope, it's because he consistently puts form before function, has no clue about ergonomics, and creates reliability and performance issues out of thin air with his uselessly thin designs.

Case in point: the iMac. It does not need to be thin. Yet it is so thin that the GPU performs below competitors with the exact same GPU because of thermal-induced throttling. In other words, the man is an up-jumped idiot.
Personally, and I'm not joking here, I wouldn't care if my iMac was six inches thick. I'm looking at the SCREEN when I'm using it, not how thick it is. I'd much prefer to have the 12 USB ports I have on my Windows machine, along with data drives, multiple SSDs, a Superdrive and a decent graphics card than have the thing as thin as possible.
 
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Except this is not what Apple have done this time!!! Its not just the pricing that people are upset about, the machine itself is a POS, All the ports have been removed, USB-A is not a legacy port yet, not even close., a shithouse GPU in the high end models, Removed Magsafe WTF!!, DDR3 memory, Last years CPU tech, i could go on. You only need to read all the negativity on this site to see people have had enough.

USB-A was legacy the second USB-C became commercially available. Removing ports and simplifying like this has been Apple's routine since the mid '90's at least. With Thunderbolt 3, Magsafe becomes redundant. DDR3 because it's either full power DDR4 or Low-power DDR3 - this has already been explained. The CPU's used are the most advanced Intel has available to buy today - not 3-6 months from now.

Complaints like this have been de rigueur on this site since at least the release of the original iPod. Go ahead and go read the archived threads from that release. The only thing that has changed is the volume of complaints because there are so many more Apple users today.
 
USB-A was legacy the second USB-C became commercially available.

Yeah... that's complete nonsense. Were cassettes "legacy" the minute CDs became available? No, it took nearly 15 years.

What's "legacy" or not is based on usage. Currently, 99% of people use USB-A ports for 99% of things. That's not legacy.
 
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Yeah... that's complete nonsense. Were cassettes "legacy" the minute CDs became available? No, it took nearly 15 years.

What's "legacy" or not is based on usage. Currently, 99% of people use USB-A ports for 99% of things. That's not legacy.

I don't know how I could have been more precise in my language.

leg·a·cy
ˈleɡəsē/
adjective
COMPUTING
  1. 1.
    denoting software or hardware that has been superseded but is difficult to replace because of its wide use.
 
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I don't know how I could have been more precise in my language.


Which doesn't apply to USB-A in 99% of cases... for the vast bulk of uses, it hasn't been "superseded" because it adds literally nothing to the function of the bulk of hardware, because they need neither more power nor greater data transfer.
 
Which doesn't apply to USB-A in 99% of cases... for the vast bulk of uses, it hasn't been "superseded" because it adds literally nothing to the function of the bulk of hardware, because they need neither more power nor greater data transfer.

I suggest you read the definition again. That you want it to mean something else doesn't make it so.
 
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I suggest you read the definition again. That you want it to mean something else doesn't make it so.


I think you should do the rereading. How does USB-C "supercede" USB-A for a keyboard?

It doesn't. It also, for the moment, requires a dongle. It's definitionally a downgrade. In 95% of USB 2016 use-cases.
 
"Sometimes that means we end up at the higher end of the range, but not on purpose, just because that's what it costs."

Yes, as everyone can see. Check the price of 2TB SSD's and compare it to Apple's +$1200. Feel free to ignore the "saved" cost of the original 512GB one and you can still see how right they are.

What comes to the experience, the keyboard.... X(*)
 
USB-A was legacy the second USB-C became commercially available. Removing ports and simplifying like this has been Apple's routine since the mid '90's at least. With Thunderbolt 3, Magsafe becomes redundant. DDR3 because it's either full power DDR4 or Low-power DDR3 - this has already been explained. The CPU's used are the most advanced Intel has available to buy today - not 3-6 months from now.

Complaints like this have been de rigueur on this site since at least the release of the original iPod. Go ahead and go read the archived threads from that release. The only thing that has changed is the volume of complaints because there are so many more Apple users today.
I understand Apple have always removed ports early, but USB3 is mainstream, its used in 99 Percent of devices. This is not like Apple removing Firewire. You will need an adapter to connect almost any current device including the new iPhone 7, its laughable. Why are Dell and HP able to use DDR4? I understand Koby lake is still a little while off in the high power CPU's needed for the Pro but in this case the this machine should have been released at least 6 months ago!
 
You do realize you need dongles now for your USB devices right? How many dongles do you want to carry? Me? None preferably.

Maybe get a dock? However that's in addition to an already expensive MBP. Yeah dongles are a pain. Sometimes you can leave them on the device cable, but not always.
 
Maybe get a dock? However that's in addition to an already expensive MBP. Yeah dongles are a pain. Sometimes you can leave them on the device cable, but not always.

That or you can buy a new cable for example I bought a USB-C to USB Micro B for my external hard drive it was 6$ with Prime.
 
There's no way this would happen without total economic collapse and civil war considering that the computer market and cell phone market would be dead without the middle class. If it's haves and have nots the computer market would collapse on itself since it's dependant on upgrades

This is pretty much happening, albeit very slowly. Once silicon valley perfects the singularity expect the economic unrest to pick up dramatically.
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I get the feeling Apple knew they would get blowback over the prices. At the event, when showing the standard Macbook and the Macbook Pro's side by side Phil only mentioned the Macbook line "starts at $1299 and up to $2399". Nothing on the slides about pricing at all and that was the only time prices were mentioned.
 
So those outrageous upgrade prices for larger SSDs and incrementally faster processors are for the "Apple Experience".

lol
 
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