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Apple's Popularity With Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android

As a message app I can recommend "Threema". It costs a one time fee (I think $1.99) but does not use your data to run ads.

bouras said:
It was $400 dsquared jeans when I was in high school. They had that small red label around the crotch area so you could instantly tell who was cool or not.
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I never understood how people could brag with something that pretty much anyone could afford if he wanted. The same with the iPhone. I know unemployed people who have the latest iPhone.

Bragging with a car is the same. If people define their status by car, they probably are not really rich. A rich person could buy a car every day. So those people achieve the opposite of what they want.

PS: I would never wear a blue jeans. I am not a cowboy :)
 
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dandyryan said:
❌ airdrop?
❌ facetime?
❌ group chats that don't break?
❌ OS updates after 2-3 years?
✅ poor taste

android lovers: *wastes $2000 to be a green bubble and complains about how gen z doesnt use them too*
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For real, I don't know any Gen Z person who uses an Android phone because they want to.

Seems like the only people who choose to get Android phones are Millennial hipsters willing to spend a lot of money to be "different," and Gen X + Boomers who also have a lot of money and couldn't care less what phone they use as long as it's expensive.
 
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fourthtunz said:
It pans out with my friends that use PCs and androids.
My android friends have troubles all the time getting hacked or talking on their phone and then
getting an ad for what they were just talking about.
What about pc updates? right in the middle of your workday?
MY friends are intelligent but they have these problems in the real world.
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But it doesn't pan out with my friends (or myself) who use PCs and Android.
My Android friends (and myself) never have issues getting hacked or getting ads.
Windows PC updates are set when I set them to update in settings, maybe learn how to use a PC?
My friends are intelligent and have none of these issues.

You see the issue with anecdotal reports, they don't really mean very much.
 
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karranz said:
Gen X dumped windows for doing Microsoft things. I doubt gen Z will do the same when apple's time comes, there are easily manipulated by youtubers, influencers, etc.
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Gen X didn't dump Windows, Gen Y did, except Windows didn't get really dumped it just got called out for all its ********. It still has huge marketshare and a future because of gamers and PC hardware loyalists. If I had the disposable income for another computer I'd definitely build a PC.
 
spinedoc77 said:
Windows PC updates are set when I set them to update in settings, maybe learn how to use a PC?
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If you install a "Home" version of Windows - which you should never do - it is not that easy to avoid updates. You can only postpone them for up to 35 days and then your only option may be to prevent your PC from contacting the Microsoft servers. The problem is that most notebooks you buy come with a "Home" version preinstalled.
 
twolf2919 said:
As soon as feelings come into the picture, there is subjectiveness. Maximizing shareholder value is already a pretty nebulous goal for a company to follow. What level of 'social responsibility' should Apple carry? And why should Apple (and Google, and telecoms) be singled out for not being socially responsible enough? Why shouldn't Panera make their Green Goddess salad 50% cheaper so poor folk can afford to eat healthy?

The way to affect social change is via government legislation, not by trying to shame companies into doing the right thing. With respect to technology, the problem we have in this country - and probably others as well - is that the legislators are a bunch of old white men who don't know anything about technology and who legislate based on personal agendas rather than what's best for the society.
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I partially disagree. Yes legislation is important, but societal approval should also be important to the workings of a company. I totally agree that this is a grey area with no distinct boundaries, but that's true of almost every facet of life and society. Lawmakers pass laws based on lobbying, which is just a nice term for bribery, but at the end of the day it's questionable if many of these laws passed every day are for the greater good of society. Now we are really veering off into tangents which we could discuss for days and days and I'm not trying to change the system, just opining on how I wish the system functioned.
 
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Skyscraperfan said:
If you install a "Home" version of Windows - which you should never do - it is not that easy to avoid updates. You can only postpone them for up to 35 days and then your only option may be to prevent your PC from contacting the Microsoft servers. The problem is that most notebooks you buy come with a "Home" version preinstalled.
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It's actually pretty easy, you can set "active hours" for when updates are applied, yeah even on Windows Home. For example I have mine set to only update from 2am to 5am.

What you are saying isn't lost on me, Windows is a bit more annoying than macOS to use with updates. But at the same time the argument can be made that forced updates keep security in check at the small cost of convenience.
 
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spinedoc77 said:
It's actually pretty easy, you can set "active hours" for when updates are applied, yeah even on Windows Home. For example I have mine set to only update from 2am to 5am.

What you are saying isn't lost on me, Windows is a bit more annoying than macOS to use with updates. But at the same time the argument can be made that forced updates keep security in check at the small cost of convenience.
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For me it is a major inconvenience if my PC is restarted because of an update. I restart only about once a month.
 
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MacWiz_007 said:
"According to the report, younger consumers are concerned about being socially ostracized for not having an iPhone". What a sad, sad world we live in.
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While sad, it's not exactly a new phenomenon. People have been ostracizing others as long as there have been humans. It's what we do, apparently. What was once perhaps a smooth pebble is now an iPhone. Something will replace iPhone, in time.
 
All the new emoji and Animoji and Memoji and iMessage sticker packs are paying off for Apple in spades.
 
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Skyscraperfan said:
As a message app I can recommend "Threema". It costs a one time fee (I think $1.99) but does not use your data to run ads.


I never understood how people could brag with something that pretty much anyone could afford if he wanted. The same with the iPhone. I know unemployed people who have the latest iPhone.

Bragging with a car is the same. If people define their status by car, they probably are not really rich. A rich person could buy a car every day. So those people achieve the opposite of what they want.

PS: I would never wear a blue jeans. I am not a cowboy :)
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I read people, most usually android users, denouncing smartphone elitism all the time but I've never personally heard of someone bragging about having a specific brand of smartphone irl. So maybe the prevalence of the phenomenon is exaggerated, or it just doesn't happen if you are over 30.
 
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MacWiz_007 said:
"According to the report, younger consumers are concerned about being socially ostracized for not having an iPhone". What a sad, sad world we live in.
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"According to the report, younger consumers are concerned about being socially ostracized for not having _____".

What goes into this blank changes with time, but there has ALWAYS been something in that blank.
 
contacos said:
I think it comes down to habits. The US had unlimited text way before Europe (as an example) so people were used to simply using the standard texting app while people abroad (myself included) were looking for a free alternative to text, just as WhatsApp provided instead of paying 19 cent per text message. By the time Apple released iMessage, which did not require to install a separate app, people in other markets were already used to WhatsApp by that time
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I never understood why anyone would use What’s App to ext rather than iMessages. Is that outside the US it costs to send a text with iMessage?
 
lazyrighteye said:
While sad, it's not exactly a new phenomenon. People have been ostracizing others as long as there have been humans. It's what we do, apparently. What was once perhaps a smooth pebble is now an iPhone. Something will replace iPhone, in time.
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Never once said it was a new phenomenon, but I understand what what you are saying.
 
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spinedoc77 said:
. . . but even I will admit it's pretty damn hard when you can't communicate well with an iPhone user when you have an Android phone.
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I communicate with Android users all the time both with Messages for iOS and macOS without any issues that I can recall. What issues are you running into?
 
You certainly wouldn’t know that from a tech blog like MacRumors, would you? Strong the Apple hate is here.
 
spinedoc77 said:
Try sending a picture or video via SMS then come back and comment. Not to mention all the other stuff like tapbacks and such.
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Just sent an Android user a photo on Sunday. They replied to thank me, so obviously they got it. Tapbacks are converted into text, so no issue there either. As for video, I don't even do that with fellow iPhone users, as I've had issues in the past with the videos coming through in crap quality. I just upload to YouTube and link them to be sure they get the full quality video.
 
"According to the report, younger consumers are concerned about being socially ostracized for not having an iPhone"

People have been ostracized for many things over the centuries, mainly due to societal and peer pressures so it's nothing new.
One reason the younger generation is used to iPhones is because their parents or relatives give them their older iPhones so they get used to them. Stick with something they know so they may end up buying newer iPhone models since 'everybody they know' uses them.
Cook will eventually leave Apple in the future and Apple has lots of competition now so things may change in the future as nothing is certain. For now, Apple has a lead in America, its home country, where iPhones are dominant but slowly gaining ground in Europe and in Asia where Android smartphones are more prevalent.
 
Skyscraperfan said:
For me it is a major inconvenience if my PC is restarted because of an update. I restart only about once a month.
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I hear you, I get annoyed at the restarts also, but for me they are only every couple of months and I can delay them for quite a long time, and again keep my PC secure. But if you are only complaining about having to reboot after an update then you have to do the same with macOS, or iOS, etc.

Personally I think the better question to ask is WHY do you have to reboot after an update, why has this archaic functionality persisted for so many years. Can't a motherboard just have some sort of cache, or the ability to add a small hard drive so Windows (or macOS) doesn't have to reboot? I'm sure it's a LOT more complicated than that, but anything can be fixed with the proper programming, I would have thought that Microsoft and Apple would have addressed this a long time ago.
 
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