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If yer looking for a woman on tinder now we have a whole nother problem :)
I would change woman to a Long Term Relationship. Some apps/sites never struck me as a place to find a lasting relationship. Fortunately, I haven't needed them for over five years. And they never worked when I did use them. It was a mutual friend from high school that did the trick.
 
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Well, I admit I'm not on the receiving end for the pictures, but it sure seems like one of my Android friends would've mentioned something by now if the pictures were super blurry on their end. As mentioned, the video issue seems to be a problem with even fellow iPhone users, so that's a Messages issue, imo. As for tapbacks, I'm a bit confused, because I know I've seen the text version of them before, but looking back at some of my conversations with Android users both on macOS and iOS just now, I'm seeing their tapbacks show up as the normal icons attached to the conversation bubble--just like iPhone users' tapbacks. But I honestly don't mind text versions either--as long as it communicates what they did, then I don't see it as "terrible."

iMessage to iMessage videos come out perfectly, at least that's been my experience whenever I'm using an iPhone so maybe there is an issue with your setup.
 
Young people have always found ways to ostracize each other. This isn’t new when I was growing up it was mostly about what designer clothes you wore
Agreed, it's now Apples job to solve societal issues. Growing up lower middle class in the 90s in Toronto, I did not have Nike's or Air Jordans or Chicago Bulls jackets. Maybe more of our attention should be spent teaching our youth the long term pain that such behaviour causes.

Now that I am grown up, I like branded clothing. Don't hold it against anyone who chooses other brands or likes the low key look of going unbranded.
 
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I’m in the uk and it’s very similar for me.

iMessage as a ‘thing’ is 🤷‍♂️ in the uk.

Unfortunately for me, I’m a rapidly ageing gen x, but I’m simply not aware of iMessage having a cachet here in any age group.

People tend to buy it for the design, screen and camera. 3rd party app use is pretty prevalent too - especially with messaging (in my completely non-scientific observations).

But as many other Europeans have said, whilst the iPhone is definitely seen as a premium phone, so is the Samsung Galaxy - and both have a more or less equal status.
Yeah. When you look at the stats we actually have a high percentage of iphone users. Always at least 50%. Latest stats say 52% but iMessage is just not a thing. Everyone is on WhatsApp. The only person I use iMessage with is my mum. All the other iphone users I communicate with it’s via WhatsApp.
 
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iMessage to iMessage videos come out perfectly, at least that's been my experience whenever I'm using an iPhone so maybe there is an issue with your setup.
I don't remember if it comes through as original size or not. I know it at least doesn't look pixelated on the device. I almost always send a pic by email at original if someone wants to print it.
 
It's only in the US and not the rest of the world. Apple can have the US market. The rest of the world is with Android.
iOS market share in the UK is 52.44%


There are some other countries where the iphone has a larger marker share such as Australia, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Swizland.
 
no one wants to be the green bubble that ruins group chats.

I agree with you. There are issues with android in the iPhone group chat.

You cannot rename the group chat; once you create it, you cannot add any users anymore, which is insane. Also, it maxed at ten users in total. But with iPhone only, you can add/remove and it goes up to 32.
 
Hence Google’s obsession now with trying to get Apple to switch from imessages to open source. Why would Apple ever do that?
 
How? iMessage supports SMS, the common texting protocol. I text with my Android friends fine all the time
This isn't true. iMessage and SMS text messaging are two different services. You may have meant to say the messages app, but iMessage is the proprietary Apple text messaging service.
 
Try sending a picture or video via SMS then come back and comment. Not to mention all the other stuff like tapbacks and such.
Oh yeah, I get complaints about how images are terrible in Android SMS if sent from an iPhone. I believe it's because of the new Apple HEIC codec for their images. It doesn't display right on Android natively.
 
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iMessage to iMessage videos come out perfectly, at least that's been my experience whenever I'm using an iPhone so maybe there is an issue with your setup.

Ok, then apparently both our setups have issues with different aspects of Messages, lol! Occasionally videos come through ok, but I prefer just to use YouTube to share videos anyway, especially larger ones. It just is more reliable, and also then I just have to share a link, not upload the entire video every time I share it (if I want to share it on multiple occasions).
 
Or they could just release a standalone app and still retain their own servers.

All that would do is add to the confusion and make them support the varieties of Android out there. No real upside.

I'd love to drop Windows completely, except I cannot live without Excel. Well, there is Excel on MacOS.

I guess it depends on wwhat you need to do. I use Excel to develop some dashboards and Mac vs Win is a tossup. The biggets gripe I have is MS isn't consistant across platforms - Win/Mac work nicely together, Web based and iPad are shadows of the desktop, as is PowerBi.

It's only in the US and not the rest of the world. Apple can have the US market. The rest of the world is with Android.

Apple only wants the high end market anyway, no matter where they are.

It was $400 dsquared jeans when I was in high school. They had that small red label around the crotch area so you could instantly tell who was cool or not.

Back when Lacoste was hot, a friend bought some Lacoste socks, removed teh gators and striched tehm on heap polos. Instant upgrade.

My biggest gripe has always been my kids sporting events and sharing pictures/ with family. MMS limits, at least in the US, are 300-600kb (varies by carrier) for messages (although some say up to 1024kb anecdotally), go compress your images to that size and get back to me, especially if the subjects in the picture are not close and/or are moving. Videos are MUCH worse, they are virtually unusable.

Why not just use email?

Hence Google’s obsession now with trying to get Apple to switch from imessages to open source. Why would Apple ever do that?

Never, especially since Google's "open source" standard rally isn't once you consider custom extensions. Google wants to control the spec and Apple won't let that happen.
 
This isn't true. iMessage and SMS text messaging are two different services. You may have meant to say the messages app, but iMessage is the proprietary Apple text messaging service.

He said "iMessage supports SMS," not "Android supports iMessage. EDIT: Ok, i see where you're getting confused. But some of us remember when Messages used to be called "iMessage" so I see them as interchangeable terms for the same app.
 


Younger Americans prefer Apple over rival companies by significant margins, driving a generational shift toward Apple devices and social pressure, the Financial Times reports.

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According to the report, younger consumers are concerned about being socially ostracised for not having an iPhone – a phenomenon that is driving young people to buy other Apple products and services, leading to growing market share across multiple product categories.

Those born after 1996, also known as Gen Z, compose 34 percent of all iPhone owners in the U.S., compared to just 10 percent for Samsung. For older generations, there is a relatively even split between iPhone and Android users. The ramifications of this shift toward Apple devices among younger people extends beyond iPhones, with these users being much more likely to purchase AirPods, Apple Watches, and Macs.

For every 100 iPhones Apple sells around the world, it also sells 26 iPads, 17 Apple Watches, and 35 pairs of AirPods, according to research by Canalys. For Samsung, every 100 smartphone sales leads to fewer than 11 tablets, six smartwatches, and six pairs of wireless earbuds being sold. This is in spite of the fact that the average selling price of an iPhone is almost three times that of an Android device.

Researchers who advise companies about the preferences of Gen Z consumers told the Financial Times that these customers are the most online of any age group, spending up to six hours a day on their smartphones. As a result, Apple's ecosystem is shaping social decision-making, with particular emphasis on the importance of iMessage as a social signal, necessitated by inferior experiences messaging and using group chats via SMS.

In Europe, where iMessage is less prevalent and Android has a bigger market share, the same trend is similarly visible. Canalys research indicates that 83 percent of Apple users in western Europe under 25 years old plan to keep using an iPhone. As Gen Z gets older, this trend is likely to grow and further entrench Apple's market share, making it increasingly difficult for rival companies to capture new customers and make inroads.

Article Link: Apple's Popularity With Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android
The interesting dichotomy to me is the generational motives between younger and older iPhone users. Older iPhone users are the opposite of younger. They don’t care about brand as much as that it just works. The same cannot be said for android users (particularly Samsung) who go on and on about how great Samsung is and all their latest features like they’re trying to convert iPhone users. Apple users are not technically engaged and simply do not care. They just want something that works and brand happens to be Apple. Younger Apple users don’t care about the tech either but they seem to only care about brand to fit in with their tribe of friends.
 
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That's a thing?

Most of the kids I know--my kids and their friends, my students--use Discord for group chats. I've got a Discord account for a game I like, but rarely go there. The colors, the colors...it's chaos. Kids love it for reasons I'm too old to understand.😓
I like for two games. It's nice when there's no other resources to get a little guidance when you need it.
 
How? iMessage supports SMS, the common texting protocol. I text with my Android friends fine all the time
Here in Germany I know not a single person using iMessage. Everyone uses WhatsApp, because they can reach all people, not only the Apple user.
 
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I'd like to think that Gen-Z isn't all about appearances and or peer-pressure, and many who are in the Apple Ecosystem simply prefer it to Google for reasons that we can all relate to regardless of generation.

You don't have to be from Gen-X to appreciate the Apple bubble, aesthetic, security and knowing that you can just use and enjoy their products, without also being the product.

Let's not pretend that Apple + Android/Google = the same and that it simply comes down to price/cost and or appearances/trends to sway users to one over the other. I don't think that would be true, at least not for many.
 
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All that would do is add to the confusion and make them support the varieties of Android out there. No real upside.

Why not just use email?

I completely disagree, I don't think it would add confusion at all. Apple already has Apple TV and Apple Music apps on Google.

Email doesn't make sense most of the time. Firstly most of the large email providers like Gmail and Outlook have file size limits, this becomes an issue very quickly with video in particular. You also introduce a lot of work for what should be an easy thing. I want to send a video of my kid scoring a goal to my wife, grandparents, friends, family group chat, etc now I'm emailing to a bunch of people who have to then download the video, figure out how to find the file on their device, figure out how to save it to their gallery, etc. For the older folks like my parents, no way in heck they are going to figure out how to do that. For the younger tech savvy ones they might do it later, but not right away because it will interrupt whatever they are doing.
 
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I think the problem is that Android sucks and the Apple folks just feel some kind of way about interacting with people who clearly can’t be saved. Lol
I really like this post! It reveals what I have suspected for years. This site has been infiltrated by Apple hating google lovers. They hangout here to throw hate towards Apple possibly paid by Samsung like they were caught doing a while back. Know I know who you are. Thanks
 
It IS really hard IMO as an Android user with iPhone friends and family. First I would have to trust those companies, and the ones you named I don't really trust very much with my privacy. But besides that I would have to convince every single other iPhone user to download that app, create an account, and use it for messaging between us. Now compound that with the older folks in my messaging group who would never be able to figure out how to switch away from iMessage.

I get it, I'm in the US and we are an outlier, most other countries use 3rd party messaging apps. But that still doesn't change that it would be incredibly complicated to get the dozens of friends, family, business associates, etc I message all on the same wavelength. Seriously who wants to have half a dozen messaging apps on their phone?
Add to that trusting that 3rd party app isn’t owned by or won’t get acquired by an untrustworthy individual or company that maybe fires the majority of the staff on a whim and leaves them vulnerable to attack and loss of your private data.
 
I don’t have my finger on the pulse anymore but I’m pretty sure in Italy the iPhone is seen more of a yuppie/rich kid phone

Most young people I see around carry some variety of Android phone

I also frequently see them using older, busted phones such as an an iPhone 8 with a cracked screen - on top of which a screen protector has ironically been applied

But mayb I’m just coping :p
 
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"According to the report, younger consumers are concerned about being socially ostracized for not having an iPhone". What a sad, sad world we live in.

Edit: For all who are about to post "This isn't new..." I never said it was. Please, re-read above.
Indeed. This is the thing we need to be talking about. Not fanboying over this or that company.

It's ridiculous because nobody judges each other over the brand of someone's TV or car. But your choice of cell phone? Really?

Call me an old geezer (I'm actually quite young) but my previous phone was an Android and I didn't miss a beat abandoning iMessage. I'm in the USA, too. This social conditioning is ridiculous.
 
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That's a really immature comment, I'm assuming there is some sarcasm there or am I someone "who clearly can't be saved"? Android doesn't "suck," it's actually really great, but I also really love iOS.
Right-o! I love switching between platforms. They're both great, and life is too short to use the same OS for 10, 20, 30 years. Besides, it'd be a very bleak future if Apple was the sole company that ruled them all. You think they're bad with their nickel and diming now? Oh, boy. Tim Cook would have a field day if Apple was the only player in town.
 
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