You're bending yourself and your arguments into pretzels to support the current Apple stance.
Let's move on and agree to respectfully disagree.
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You're bending yourself and your arguments into pretzels to support the current Apple stance.
Let's move on and agree to respectfully disagree.
No one is buying that. As a 20 year designer who works for a large corporation and is involved in large scale purchasing decisions — I'm telling you that it is a niche market.
Very true, and honestly the "sub XDR level" Apple Display need not sell in mega volume, just like ACD 30's of the past were a bit niche also. It can be another "halo product" just down a few rungs.
Yeah but @Websnapx2 not everything Apple builds is intended to sell at the same rate as iPhones. Apple used to sell a 24" display.
It may very well be a niche market. But no more niche than some of the other products Apple produces. Again, Apple doesn't need to sell every item as some "massive profit mover" otherwise they wouldn't be selling $700 Mac Pro wheels
*hint hint* - the other thing about displays, is they don't need to be re-designed yearly and actually have a pretty solid lifespan.
It may very well be a niche market. But no more niche than some of the other products Apple produces. Again, Apple doesn't need to sell every item as some "massive profit mover" otherwise they wouldn't be selling $700 Mac Pro wheels
*hint hint* - the other thing about displays, is they don't need to be re-designed yearly and actually have a pretty solid lifespan.
I am a professional in my job, but, I do not need this Mac nor a fast PC for that, seems like many think here that a professional is a person who's at the top of the ladder, as in, video content creators for big providers, guess what, a dentist is a professional, I in my job am a professional, a part time wedding videographer can be a professional.
Smug comes to my mind, pretty sure most could do with the old cheese grater with upgraded parts, not this machine.
So true - in fact Apple should know pretty well that "iOS developers" are also professionals and firmly in a niche that could use multiple displays, but for whom the XDR is absolute and utter overkill.
...but those people are likely big Apple hardware fans and would love their 2nd or 3rd displays to aesthetically match their main machines.
Just look at all the photos people post of their setups.
People do care how their office computing situations look - no question about it.
I just had a Planar IX2790 here (two of them actually - both returned for bum panels) and the dark, spacey black, iMac Pro look of it was AWESOME in real life (better than in online photos). The thing is made from plastic too!
Even LG, using plastic, could have made the UF 5k look so so much better than they did. Apple could hit a home run doing it themselves, no question about it --- with huge margins too.
(Pics attached - disaster mess desk setup since I'm in between reconfigs - sorry)
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So, you think the panels are "$200-300 at cost". You think people will spend more for a premium experience.
Let's say it's $300.
Tell me again why, if your panel cost is correct, this mythical display wouldn't be $700 and therefore half the price of the LG Ultrafine (which is already extremely niche), except you somehow think it should cost 150% the price?
Exactly. They get two 4k displays, if even that, and they're done.
Maybe they'll get a specialized display from Eizo or HP.
All I said is computers as a whole are a terrible line of business to be in if you want to be vastly profitable, and if being extremely profitable is the goal (30-40% margins), then we should give up on Macs being around long term. Nobody said they should give things away. So yes, learn to read before writing 5 huge paragraphs about nothing. No point arguing with someone who thinks his vast intellect is above everyone else in the forum.
LOL ... "you think people will spend more for a premium experience". Dude, you're on a MAC forum aren't you? I have news for you ... ALL Apple products are products that people pay more for, for a premium experience.
Did I misinterpret your response ... or ? LOL I'm making my exit here. I've spent too much time on this thread lol been fun though
iOS developers want their displays to match their main machines??
Quite a few iOS developers don't really want a Mac at all; they need one because that's where the iOS toolchain exists. And of those that do want a Mac, almost nobody cares what the display looks like, because it's a work machine, not a bathroom mirror.
You think those are representative of the hundreds of thousands of iOS developers?
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No, you didn't just misinterpret it; you also took it out of context.
I bet you're not a very good iOS designer/developer if you don't care what your environment looks like you work out of Just saying ... the true professionals of their craft care as much or more about the tools they use to create the products, as the products themselves. Myself included.
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@turbineseaplane - you're into aviation as well? Nice (side note haha)
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@turbineseaplane - you're into aviation as well? Nice
(side note haha)
I bet you're not a very good iOS designer/developer if you don't care what your environment looks like you work out of
Have you tried not making presumptions about other people's job performance?
Oh, oh, I can play that game, too: I bet you're a terrible team player who constantly tells colleagues how they don't care about their craft enough.
@turbineseaplane - you're into aviation as well? Nice
You bet! Life long!
Was in the back of a small seaplane, in a picnic basket, at literally around 6-8 weeks old.
(ahh the 70's)
It's a pretty valid presumption based on psychology. If you don't care about your environment, or the tools you use, you're not as passionate and generally speaking, that translates to not being as good as someone else who does care about those things.
Sorry ... and yeah, that's a good presumption. I'm only a good team player when others I work with care to the same degree I do, about quality. Good call
Sorry ... and yeah, that's a good presumption. I'm only a good team player when others I work with care to the same degree I do, about quality. Good call
How so, when that exact thinking in that exact market got them exactly where they are? What a weird thought to land on.
I didn't say give things away I said charity — which is exactly what they would be if they entered into markets they cannot dominate when they are almost guaranteed to be on the upper level of cost in that market. To compete even with the LG model (you know, the company that actually makes the panel) they would need to find a price point between that and an entry-level 5K iMac, because honestly if the 5k Monitor was more expensive than 1700, I'd just get the iMac as a second monitor.
They weren't "about nothing", they just didn't fit your narrative. You are entitled to your opinion — as am I — mine is just about thinking about the market logically, rather than being upset about what I cannot have.
What you are asking for is too niche of a request for apple to concern its self with — accept it or not. I don't care, but facts are facts.
I see these YouTube'r glory shot videos and I think to myself -- "there's no way they USE it like that"...
Give things away, charity, sound the same thing to me.
And while we are on the topic of learn to read. You are apparently arguing with the wrong person, I was never discussing LCDs.
Markets they cannot dominate?
They don't dominate computers, so they should exit?
They don't dominate headphones, should they exit?
They don't dominate set top boxes, should they exit?
They don't dominate against After Effects, should they shut down Motion?
With curbside pickup now I just drive up, dump off the pallet of cash, and then load up the monitor. Presto!
Limited set of devices?? That’s new. The usual criticism is that they’re confusing and congesting their lineups with too many products. Which Apple do you mean?
Nice setup. One of the things I hate most about using TB for docking is that the ports are on the side of the MBP, and no body makes a right angle TB3 cable. I've actually asked dock manufacturers why they can't make a MacBook Pro friendly cable when most of their customers are MBP users...I want my cable to go straight back, not to take up half my desk snaking around. I use a cheap USB-C right angle adapter that isn't certified for TB, thank god it works... but the connection is a bit loose and sometime the dock disconnects if you bump the cable. Grr
Thanks!
Yeah, you're right actually. Someone should come out with a right angle cable for MacBooks kind of like the old MagSafe connectors that came out on a right angle.
I'm trying to find a solid 2 meter cable of the same quality Apple provides with the XDR displays, and will probably use a CalDigit dock with my setup. The 2meter cable is just long enough that I can use the full range of height adjustment on my desk I need.
Can only imagine people talking about the price of Thunderbolt cables next lol and how they've priced pro users out of the market