Apple's Revamped Mac Pro to Launch in 2019

[LordVic]

what a laughable news from Apple. as someone who enjoys using their computers, have a few products, the inability to create a "pro" tower for 2 years has me screaming to myself "Run away! RUN AWAY"...

the ONLY reason for taking 2 years to do this is if they're trying to make a proprietary locked down system in some fashion. for this sort of computer. No. Just no. you failed on the Mac Pro. you failed on the G5 Cube.

those of us who put power and performance above look and feel of the tower, should be worried.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

So a 1:3 ratio of engineers:marketing. I'm sure that'll inspire 'real professionals' with confidence.

It was one per DEPARTMENT. Apple just has those Marketing segments (wisely) divided-up into their separate disciplines.

 

[LordVic]

On the half full glass side, Apple Mac Pro proving to be a great value. Still selling, getting jobs done, and the cost per day one of the best values in computers.

half full of what?

the current Mac Pro is absolutely NOT a good value for dollar. Especially for 5+ year old hardware. MKHBD, one of the premium content creators on YOutube who absolutely loves Apple and uses their hardware has run into serious bottlenecks with his Mac Pro. The iMac Pro is now become his go to editting computer because the Mac Pro that's available today is absolutely pathetic.

it's only "Good value" if you are in the market for an Apple desktop computer. that's not an all in one, and can hold more than a dual core.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Seriously... what real-world engineering needs to be done here ? The only reason that this can be taking so long to build is that they are doing some weird "innovative" engineering again... pros just want OSX, power and expandability.

Please Apple don't paint yourself into some wierd self-limiting corner again ... like the trashcan.

Since they KNEW they did EXACTLY that, do you REALLY think they would repeat that multimillion-dollar mistake?

 

[seclusion]

Could it be they are trying to fire up their new CPU's in the mMP?
Say it could be so Joe...

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

I'd GLADLY take the same old cheese grater design with a new motherboard chipset, TB3, Titan X, etc.. Just release the thing already!

I'm sure that's one of the things that will be discussed.

 

[LordVic]

Why are "pros" always so terrible whiny? x_X

Because they earn their living with this hardware. Put barriers in place where it costs them more to earn their living and they're going to feel it in their pocket book

Apple has completely forgotten about these people.

 

[Zdigital2015]

Dear Apple...here's your template for a Modular Mac Pro - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTcube - You're welcome.

 

[9081094]

You may not like them but the nMP are really nice machines. I'm quite happy with mine.

It’s not that I don’t like them and I’m happy for you you’re satisfied. For what you get they’re quite expensive and I personally don’t like the touchbar solution although it looks nice. I do t find it an good ergonomic solution because the touchbar changes with each program so you have to take your eyes of the screen and when you type with ten fingers.... you have to take them of the keyboard. A very ‘unapple’ solution and not ergonomic.

But again! I’m happy you’re happy with it. I personally think Apple could do so much better.

 

[L-Viz]

I believe these news are inaccurate. The only correct thing is: no new Mac pro in 2018.

Actually, Apple will abandon all "conventional" computers in 2020. There will be no more Desktops, Notebooks, Monitors and Mouses ... and Mac OS will also be discontinued.

Apple thinks, that there is no more need for that.

There will only be iDevices, of course a variety of choices in iPads, different sizes, with attachable smart keyboards, etc., and software comes only from the company´s store.

This is the final goal of Apple. They already wanted this in 1984 with the MacIntosh, but they didn't have the technical means.

 

[Glockworkorange]

If we're going to speculate that much then we can also speculate on what Intel has sitting in their lab too.

No ARM processor has ever been demonstrated to come close to server class Intel CPU performance. I suppose you could cluster together a few dozen ARM processors but then all of your developers would have to re-write for such a cluster anyway. There's no easy way around basic physics and development time.

I don’t think you get my point.

ARM chips power phones and tablets and 2 in 1’s and they are primarily used for power saving purposes.

What if power saving is no longer a necessity (or much of one)? Once you take away that constraint, how powerful can an ARM chip be? Do we know?
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It’s not that I don’t like them and I’m happy for you you’re satisfied. For what you get they’re quite expensive and I personally don’t like the touchbar solution although it looks nice. I do t find it an good ergonomic solution because the touchbar changes with each program so you have to take your eyes of the screen and when you type with ten fingers.... you have to take them of the keyboard. A very ‘unapple’ solution and not ergonomic.

But again! I’m happy you’re happy with it. I personally think Apple could do so much better.

nMP stands for new(ish) Mac Pro (trash can).

 

[nt5672]

The natural home for a device like this is in some kind of studio or laboratory. A common denominator between these two kinds of place is a strong preference for rack-mountable gear. This is why putting out a cylindrical MacPro was a serious mistake that probably cost the company Big Bucks. I hope Apple won't repeat it next time around.

Its seems too late to recover from that. The simple fact is that Pro users are by and large smart, Apple counts on teenage or similar mentality that can be manipulated by marketing to fund its management stock options. Its really not that hard to understand. Why perform, which takes some risk, when you can just convince people to buy whatever you make because its new, thin, and hip (or whatever the word became after the 60s.)

 

[harriska2]

Disappointed.

 

[LordVic]

I believe these news are inaccurate. The only correct thing is: no new Mac pro in 2018.

Actually, Apple will abandon all "conventional" computers in 2020. There will be no more Desktops, Notebooks, Monitors and Mouses ... and Mac OS will also be discontinued.

Apple thinks, that there is no more need for that.

There will only be iDevices, of course a variety of choices in iPads, different sizes, with attachable smart keyboards, etc., and software comes only from the company´s store.

This is the final goal of Apple. They already wanted this in 1984 with the MacIntosh, but they didn't have the technical means.

would be a losing strategy IMHO: where do you think most of the content is created for these iDevices? programs created for these iDevices, and the infrastructure teams who run the services that power these iDevices actually work?

That's right, on the full computers. RIght now the only way to develop Apple's iDevice Apps is on these computers. get rid of them and you lose the content.

something just doesn't seem to jive right now in Apple's Mac land with the rumours that have come out.

that... and Good luck in the playoffs Vegas G.Knights

 

[Glockworkorange]

half full of what?

the current Mac Pro is absolutely NOT a good value for dollar. Especially for 5+ year old hardware. MKHBD, one of the premium content creators on YOutube who absolutely loves Apple and uses their hardware has run into serious bottlenecks with his Mac Pro. The iMac Pro is now become his go to editting computer because the Mac Pro that's available today is absolutely pathetic.

it's only "Good value" if you are in the market for an Apple desktop computer. that's not an all in one, and can hold more than a dual core.

He likes Google even more
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would be a losing strategy IMHO: where do you think most of the content is created for these iDevices? programs created for these iDevices, and the infrastructure teams who run the services that power these iDevices actually work?

That's right, on the full computers. RIght now the only way to develop Apple's iDevice Apps is on these computers. get rid of them and you lose the content.

something just doesn't seem to jive right now in Apple's Mac land with the rumours that have come out.

that... and Good luck in the playoffs Vegas G.Knights

I’m sure there are iPads in the lap that run X Code. Maybe app development will move to Swift.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

2019 makes sense if Mac Pro using Intel. That is just one more year before they officially use only ARM in Macs going forward. This will be one last jab at the pro Mac user by offering a high-end machine and then migrating to a new platform.

I actually think they are going to split into two Platforms:

ARM for consumer-level iOS and iOS/X Devices and Macs.

Intel for Pro-level Desktop and Laptop Macs.

They have PLENTY of Sales in the iOS world to be able to "play around" with Recompiling macOS for ARM and throwing a bunch of cores and GPU rendering-whatchamacallits together and see how it does running typical Desktop Apps + iOS Apps. Consumers would likely snap-up such a machine, for the price that Apple could build it for, since they wouldn't be beholden to ANYONE for any of the high-cost components (CPU and Display), plus Apple could PROBABLY do something like a MacBook Air replacement with a Single SoC. The power/cooling budget in a laptop/All-in-One would make the prospect of an 8 or 10-core ARM SoC a practical thing; and that would likely be fast enough for nearly all consumer-level applications.

Then, for anything that now carries a "Pro" in its name (except the iPad Pro), those would be a more traditional Intel-based architecture, running "macOS Classic" (LOL)...

Despite the self-inflicted fragmentation, I hope that's what Apple does.

 

[asiga]

The road that Apple has taken is really sad for anyone that loves the Mac, but, there's going to be something funny about this: The day (that is, supposing it happens) they release this "modular" (cough) Mac Pro, and they are at the event, and then Tim Cook says "and, after three years designing a modular Mac Pro, this is it"... and in this moment everybody will realize it's the "iMac Pro 2".

 

[tf_dc]

Design a product from ground up... Have you ever done it... Wait for several years for a desktop update... Work flow team...

Opened a couple of on-line shops' web pages. Selected the parts I need from the companies known for the good quality. Built myself a tower which matches my work, self-study and gaming needs altogether and even goes well beyond, with dual GPUs, decent cooling, expandable, etc. Running Linux for work and virtualized Windows on qemu/KVM with video cards pass-through for games and other useless stuff. Switchover between OS with one button in a second. Good luck, Apple.

Using and going to use your phones though. Limited functionality, lacking usability, cutting more from APIs with every release, but as long as you fight "three letter agencies" and don't sell my data to advertisers, you are the best choice in this ugly market. And your watches which play nicely as phone companions and fitness trackers.

But don't expect me to buy any more of your "computer" "Pro" iPads, unless you decide to put an OS there, not a cripple which sometimes requires thinking as differently as, say, using well-oiled buttocks to lift a dropped spoon from a floor instead of just hands.
Gave my 9.7" to my wife, but she prefers 13" Asus 2-in-1, it is way more functional, has bigger screen and is a bit LIGHTER than 9.7" iPad Pro with a Logitech keyboard and a pencil.

Neither your laptops. They are not bad (still using 13" 2015 MBP), but I want a 2-in-1 with a touch screen, with a variety of ports, running a full-featured OS. Asus, Dell, HP are willing to sell me some - but not you. You will never make a 2-in-1, you need to sell your "Pro" tablets.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Yep, that's my worry, too. When I complained earlier that it shouldn't take this long, my underlying concern (which I probably didn't voice well) is that it's taking this long because they're doing something wrong. Probably because they're trying to be too clever, which is the mistake they made (and essentially admitted to) with the current Mac Pro.

With their mea culpa last year, I thought, good, Apple learned a lesson. Now it looks like they didn't, and may be making the same mistake again.

Sez the person with no REAL knowledge of what they are doing...
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Wow, 2019???

Color me shocked, why so long?

I have no need for such a machine but man alive that's a long time to wait.

YOU are welcome to go in and show them how it's done.

We'll wait.
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Check your facts please, here's one laptop Intel based with 32 gb: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...re=laptop_32gb_ram-_-9SIA7AB6UR8166-_-Product

Doesn't use LPDDR4 DRAM, thus it likely has about 3-4 hours MAX battery life.

Hardly "Portable".

 

[npmacuser5]

half full of what?

the current Mac Pro is absolutely NOT a good value for dollar. Especially for 5+ year old hardware. MKHBD, one of the premium content creators on YOutube who absolutely loves Apple and uses their hardware has run into serious bottlenecks with his Mac Pro. The iMac Pro is now become his go to editting computer because the Mac Pro that's available today is absolutely pathetic.

it's only "Good value" if you are in the market for an Apple desktop computer. that's not an all in one, and can hold more than a dual core.

Depends on what one needs from their system, Photo Editing the 5 year old Mac Pro nicely beats the iMac Pro.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...013-mac-pro---photo-editing-comparison-part-2
That half full compared to half empty view!

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

You don’t know what’s already out there. Apple is the laggard here and the competition is setting the standards in markets once belonged to Apple. Yes their iMacs are okay. I recently bought the 5K i7 iMac myself. I could have better hardware for far less from HP or Dell though.

I work in an all-Windows shop, developing Windows software. We have non-Apple EVERYTHING (including my work laptop). So yeah, I have a pretty good idea what's out there in the non-Apple world, thanks for ASSUMING my life is all Apple. Far from it.
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What update, lol
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At least we would get state of the art tech for reasonable prices. Oh wait... Tim Cook will do the pricing

You mean State of the "Me Too" copycat-reference-designs-"Engineered"-by-the-chipset-Application-Engineers.

Thanks, I'll pass...

 

[wwjdjoe]

I wonder if it's time for Apple to just get out of the computer business and devote their time to phones. They've consistently shown that they are not innovators in the field anymore and don't seem to have much interest in getting out there again.

They could just either spin off the MacOS development into another company or just sell it. Then we could have state of the art machines with the best operating system and everyone's happy.

I know that violates the most basic tenet of Apple's existence, which is integration of hardware and software by the same company, but times have changed, and maybe it's time to move on. I don't know, there are as many holes in this argument as there are plusses, but it's something to consider and discuss.

 

[Marx55]

This is ludicrous. Apple should just make headless Macs, including mini, miniTower and Tower. Nothing new here. The industry has been doing that for decades. Just make it now. With Thunderbolt displays.

 

[sonamo]

If we assume the CPU, RAM, GFX card, etc are all existing PC parts and architecture, then I guess all they are really taking their sweet time to design is a box to put that stuff in...

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

what a laughable news from Apple. as someone who enjoys using their computers, have a few products, the inability to create a "pro" tower for 2 years has me screaming to myself "Run away! RUN AWAY"...

the ONLY reason for taking 2 years to do this is if they're trying to make a proprietary locked down system in some fashion. for this sort of computer. No. Just no. you failed on the Mac Pro. you failed on the G5 Cube.

those of us who put power and performance above look and feel of the tower, should be worried.

They also said there were "Fiscal Reasons" (likely a renegotiation of pricing with Intel) for the delay. NO ONE has bothered to drill-down into THAT statement. Why?

Oh, I know: Because it's just SOOOOOO much easier to BITCH about that which you know NOTHING ABOUT.
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I believe they are trying to drag it out. They could have started acquiring the information years ago.

It should have been released the end of 2018 rather than the end of 2019.

I do however commend them for communicating the release year.

Oh, how easy it is from where you sit.