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Apple's Revamped Mac Pro to Launch in 2019
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It will be modular but upgrades will come from Apple.
It will be Amiga-like in the sense that it will have proprietary chips for optimal graphics, I/O, SSD, system bandwidth. It can't just rely on standard PC parts.
Just like iOS is super optimized for phone and tablet, the Mac Pro will have a macOS specially for that system. Having a one size fits all macOS to install on all Macs is resulting in too many bugs and maintenance issues.
When macOS is installed on a Mac it should recognize what model system it is, what kind of workflow the system is going to be used for, what apps are being installed, and then configure itself bespoke mode specifically for that system usage. Use machine learning to stay optimized whenever the user encounters problems and screams at the monitor.
It will be Amiga-like in the sense that it will have proprietary chips for optimal graphics, I/O, SSD, system bandwidth. It can't just rely on standard PC parts.
Just like iOS is super optimized for phone and tablet, the Mac Pro will have a macOS specially for that system. Having a one size fits all macOS to install on all Macs is resulting in too many bugs and maintenance issues.
When macOS is installed on a Mac it should recognize what model system it is, what kind of workflow the system is going to be used for, what apps are being installed, and then configure itself bespoke mode specifically for that system usage. Use machine learning to stay optimized whenever the user encounters problems and screams at the monitor.
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Simple it was 8 cents cheaper per unit sold to embrace AMD, otherwise known as the dark interpretation of "...but who makes the most profitable..."
What recent product reflects Apple's swivel back toward functionality over form? I must have missed one.
It's Apple. It's all about the money now. They are expending considerable energy innovating a way to deliver a modular Mac Pro where the modules can ONLY come from Apple. These ideas of easily dropping in cheaper hardware off the shelf are all likely misplaced. Want a new hard drive? Apple has hard drive modules for that. Want more memory? Apple has memory modules for that. Etc.
I suspect this guy very likely sees the future of this product...
This dream of a somewhat classic tower box with easy ability to swap out hardware is probably far from the planned reality. Why? Where's the money for Apple in that (after the initial purchase)? Make it modular where modules are only available from Apple and this can deliver big margins at the initial point of sale and big margins again every time the owner wants to upgrade something.
Otherwise just think about why something announced a good while ago still needs a few more years. Even "pretty" doesn't take them 2+ years to reinvent a Pro case. There's probably 50 unused variations of the former case sitting on designer shelves now. Randomly pick one of those and roll it out with an Apple bow on it and we'll gush about the greatness of Apple and this ultimate design to no end. All they have to do it is release it and tell us it's the best Mac Pro ever.
Understood, but "Rush it"?? Seriously?
With the last meaningful update 5.5 years ago and by the time this is out, assuming they actually make 2019, it will have been over 6 years, they are arguably not at risk of rushing it.
Yeah like that worked out well for them last time, innovated a trash can they couldn’t update because the thermal design was flawed... meanwhile the competition is storming over Apple. Oh and by the way SSD drives and USB C is NOT being innovative but using tech that’s on the market, Apple didn’t invent any of them.
Considering the price of the iMac Pro, the new Mac Pro will not be an option for me.
I stopped buying MacBooks after 2015 as well.
However I did buy an amazing MacPro 3,1 in 2008 for less than 3000 Euro that I'm typing on right now ....
I also own a brilliant 2011 MacBook Pro 17", which sits below my TV.
The funny thing is, it runs High Sierra just fine.
I stopped buying MacBooks after 2015 as well.
However I did buy an amazing MacPro 3,1 in 2008 for less than 3000 Euro that I'm typing on right now ....
I also own a brilliant 2011 MacBook Pro 17", which sits below my TV.
The funny thing is, it runs High Sierra just fine.
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he was our Spaniel, but we’ve had another one for 3 years next week, but I’ll keep the sit I think to pay homage to our last fella I don’t think the Mac Pro is a machine haters complain about though, it’s been a ridiculous amount of time now and Apple literally ignored the customer base of the machine! I think the anger is justified, just look at the Mac Pro section on here and so many are using the old cheese grater Mac with powerful graphics cards flashed to work because it’s better then the trash can!
The iMac Pro doesn’t fulfill their needs either.. Apple dropped the ball big time on this one.
Respectfully, I don't think you are at all on-point.
There is absolutely no way that this will be an ARM machine. IMHO, the ARM machines will be in the Macbook/Air (not MacBook Pro), iMac (not iMac Pro) and perhaps Mac mini Class. Those machines will run the iOS/X Hybrid-OS, which will also allow Apple to ease-into having Touchscreens without falling prey to a "I thought you told us this was a bad idea!" drubbing, at least not as much... Those machines will also be able to achieve a modicum of Windows compatibility, by running Windows 10, ARM Edition, for which MS has just announced x64 Support coming this May. So, with Apple starting to make their own Displays and their own SoCs, they SHOULD be able to do a single-chip (or very low component count) iPad Pro, Mac mini, iMac (non-Pro) and MacBook/Air for WAAAAAY Cheap (and with only their OWN supply-chain to deal with, mostly!).
Conversely, the Mac Pro, MacBook Pro and iMac Pro will be Intel Machines (no doubt with some ARM "Helpers", though!), for the foreseeable future. They will likely run iOS/X in the OTHER Direction, with x86/x64 Support running Natively for macOS, Windows and Linux, and Ax ARM Emulation in software. Or, they may not offer iOS compatibility at all.
I do think you are basically correct about them looking at upgrading the 2013 Mac Pro around 2015, and coming to the conclusion that it wasn't viable. That's what ANY company would do, that had that much invested in Product R&D (no matter what you think of it, obviously that thing took some fairly spectacular multidisciplinary engineering!). But, that does NOT count as "wasted engineering time". Just part of a normal product's lifecycle.
I think that they are essentially creating a "Think Tank", which will help guide APPLE to meet the REAL-WORLD needs of their target groups. So, the devil is in WHO are the Consultants? Hopefully, Apple is savvy enough to NOT focus on JUST "Creative Professionals" (i.e. Final Cut and Logic Users), but also Coders, Medical Researchers, Physicists, etc. etc. IOW, "Advanced Computing" Users.
Since Apple is first and foremost a HARDWARE company, they would be well-served to make the Mac Pro as at home running Windows or Linux as macOS. And with a truly modular system, perhaps this is quite achievable. That way, Professionals that find themselves straddling between several OSes only have to have one system, and be able to share data and switch between OSes completely transparently. I understand that VMWare and Parallels do this now to some extent; but I am talking about a system that doesn't NEED Virtualization software to accomplish this. That way, even if you prefer Premier to Final Cut, you can use whatever suits YOUR workflow on an Application-by-Application basis, without having to manage a pile of boxes, and without the inherent limitations of Virtualization. In other words, the Mac Pro will become THE Computer System of Choice for Advanced-Computing Users, REGARDLESS of what Applications and OSes being used...
They were in on Thunderbolt's design; but I notice you CONVENIENTLY left THAT out.
I didn't mean to imply they invented USB-C or SSD; but rather that they were "keeping up with new technologies", which is what you were originally implying/stating.
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No, it wouldn't.
You're not supposed to be able to afford one. You're supposed to get your company or clients afford one for you.
Actual professionals know this.
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Sadly this makes me wonder if a PC is best for me.
Nowhere have I heard Apple talk about NVIDIA cards - which is needed GPU rendering in Octane and Redshift for my motion graphics work.
It feels silly to wait a year to find out the Modular Mac Pro doesn’t work with NVIDIA cards anyway.
Motion Graphic Professionals need NVIDIA support Apple!
Nowhere have I heard Apple talk about NVIDIA cards - which is needed GPU rendering in Octane and Redshift for my motion graphics work.
It feels silly to wait a year to find out the Modular Mac Pro doesn’t work with NVIDIA cards anyway.
Motion Graphic Professionals need NVIDIA support Apple!
Yeah, I miss my most recently-departed pups every-single-day, too, even though they have been gone since 2009 and 2013, respectively, and we now have another one that is nearly 5 years old (he was about a year and a half when we got him.Thanks
I don’t think the Mac Pro is a machine haters complain about though, it’s been a ridiculous amount of time now and Apple literally ignored the customer base of the machine! I think the anger is justified, just look at the Mac Pro section on here and so many are using the old cheese grater Mac with powerful graphics cards flashed to work because it’s better then the trash can!
The iMac Pro doesn’t fulfill their needs either.. Apple dropped the ball big time on this one.
I understand that people are right to expect Apple to have woken-up to the problems with the 2013 Mac Pro; but they have, have owned up to it, and have pledged to do better this time. What more can you reasonably expect? Companies (even big ones) make mistakes and get distracted, too. Not an excuse; just a reason. There's a difference.
I don't think the iMac Pro was a mistake; from what I have seen, people that have them seem to love them; but it WAS obviously a stopgap measure to buy them time to figure out what they REALLY wanted to do with the next Mac Pro.
Although I'll likely never need that much compute-power, I am still anxious to see if Post-Jobs Apple really CAN still Innovate! (The 2013 Mac Pro is actually still an SJ-era Product, considering the probable Design-Timeframe of something as tightly-integrated as that design).
Yes, I just bought a specced up used 2013 model too and was also worried that a new Mac Pro might arrive this year and make it a questionable aquisition. For our use case - general design work - the 2013 models are still great machines, and second hand they're a great deal. I might buy some more of them now.
Even thinking I might pick up a lower sec one to replace my ageing Mac Mini home media server. They're be great for that. And it seems it's really time to give up on any hope of future upgraded Mac Minis.
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No thanks.
Not with the usual non-quality of F/OSS Drivers.
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Maybe so; but they sure as HELL don't like it...
I hate to admit it, but I may play into Apple's hand on this one. I have a computer that needs to be replaced soon, and I may go for the current iMac Pro instead of waiting.
Dear Apple design team,
Here is how you can make your customers happy and have a product to ship in a week. Buy HP Z840 workstations. Install Mac OS on them and then glue an Apple logo over the HP logo and you'd be good to go.
Seriously, These cost about $4K each and you get
Xeon® E5-2650 v4 (2.2 GHz, 30 MB cache, 12 cores, Intel® vPro™)
you can have either one or two of these CPU chips. (Of course the 24-core version costs more then the base $4K)
GPU: NVIDIA® Quadro® M4000 (8 GB) And it is USER UPGRADABLE
Plenty of open PCI slots if you need more graphic or PCIe based flash
8 DIMM (with 1 processor) and 16 DIMM (with 2 processors) In other words it will hold a ton of RAM.
And best of all they come with a full THREE year warranty So Apple can sell Applecare to the end users but HP will do the repair for free.
Apple would be best off buying these wholesale from HP and rebranding them. This a EXACTLY what their customers want. These are built like tanks and weigh almost 50 pounds each, just for the basic tower. No wonder HP can off a three year warranty.
I'm not joking this REALLY is what everyone has been asking for. Apple could have a product now, not later and save all the cost of development.
Here is how you can make your customers happy and have a product to ship in a week. Buy HP Z840 workstations. Install Mac OS on them and then glue an Apple logo over the HP logo and you'd be good to go.
Seriously, These cost about $4K each and you get
Xeon® E5-2650 v4 (2.2 GHz, 30 MB cache, 12 cores, Intel® vPro™)
you can have either one or two of these CPU chips. (Of course the 24-core version costs more then the base $4K)
GPU: NVIDIA® Quadro® M4000 (8 GB) And it is USER UPGRADABLE
Plenty of open PCI slots if you need more graphic or PCIe based flash
8 DIMM (with 1 processor) and 16 DIMM (with 2 processors) In other words it will hold a ton of RAM.
And best of all they come with a full THREE year warranty So Apple can sell Applecare to the end users but HP will do the repair for free.
Apple would be best off buying these wholesale from HP and rebranding them. This a EXACTLY what their customers want. These are built like tanks and weigh almost 50 pounds each, just for the basic tower. No wonder HP can off a three year warranty.
I'm not joking this REALLY is what everyone has been asking for. Apple could have a product now, not later and save all the cost of development.