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Apple's Revamped Mac Pro to Launch in December
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so... overdue for release in june... and then no release until 6 months later?
wtf?
what's the hold up? intel vapourware CPUs?
I remember the days when Apple released on the day of announcement.
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Or, you could have had a PC based Threadripper machine that will do most things just as fast, and actually have made use of it for the past year or two (Depending on whether you went 1950x or 29--X threadrippers).
That's a lot of time to get a head-start on whatever work people are waiting around for this box to be able to do.
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Sounds like Apple's problems to me.
If Intel can't supply - shift platform to Threadripper or EPYC (or build your own - Apple have the resources to do that - but no, they're too busy screwing around with $1k monitor stands and fancy cases)... Threadripper 3000 series, about to drop any day now is going to smoke this thing in CPU quite handily - before the damn thing is even released. Also in IO speeds - 64 available PCIe GEN4 lanes.
Could have been building Threadripper 2xxx series 32 core machines for the past 12 months.
wtf?
what's the hold up? intel vapourware CPUs?
I remember the days when Apple released on the day of announcement.
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Or, you could have had a PC based Threadripper machine that will do most things just as fast, and actually have made use of it for the past year or two (Depending on whether you went 1950x or 29--X threadrippers).
That's a lot of time to get a head-start on whatever work people are waiting around for this box to be able to do.
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Sounds like Apple's problems to me.
If Intel can't supply - shift platform to Threadripper or EPYC (or build your own - Apple have the resources to do that - but no, they're too busy screwing around with $1k monitor stands and fancy cases)... Threadripper 3000 series, about to drop any day now is going to smoke this thing in CPU quite handily - before the damn thing is even released. Also in IO speeds - 64 available PCIe GEN4 lanes.
Could have been building Threadripper 2xxx series 32 core machines for the past 12 months.
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Exxxactly! That’s all we need. What a sick desktop that would be. I was thinking 24” and 32” since they used to do 24”. 27” may be too big for some people.
Also update the Magic accessories. Next year will be 8 years where none of this stuff has been redesigned.
I’m excited.
December 31, 23:59:00? I guess at least everyone should be well lubricated by then 😁
It's a strategy that comes from the same book that gave us "Soon™" and "Real soon now™", December 18 is still Fall anyway, they're just stretching it as much as possible.
But my Mac Pro that won't run Catalina already has a multi-core XEON, Metal graphics, supports 64GB memory and 4+ TB or more of storage.
So do I want this new uglier one or a used Chevy or Ford? Hmm.
So do I want this new uglier one or a used Chevy or Ford? Hmm.
Love this new Mac Pro. Not complaining about the price, but, for most of us it makes more economic sense to buy a 27" iMac and regularly upgrade. As of this date, when adding the new cheesegrater + XDR monitor at around $11k, users can instead purchase ~ 4.2 top-spec 27" iMacs with 1TB SSDs. That's a lot of 27-inch iMac upgrading.
"not sure what people were expecting" is exactly the problem with Apple's "pro" machines. There's no road map. Nobody knows what's coming or when. If something is delivered, is it going to be part of a supported ongoing range of hardware or a one-off? In two or three years time - as companies need to update/replace their hardware - will there be newer models or will they still just be selling the old model? The track record on reliably delivering class leading hardware in the past decade has been poor.
Professional customers need predictability, consistency and reliability from their suppliers. Apple has lost all three in the past decade and it will take several years of good releases to build that up again.
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Remember when Apple tried to sell a (practically speaking) mandatory stand as a "Pro" product and charge $999 for it?
I don't see how anyone can think this is even remotely okay to support this business model. This is a pathway between great design and great finance. Do not buy into to the Tim Cook way, we need to get back to the Steve Jobs way.
I don't see how anyone can think this is even remotely okay to support this business model. This is a pathway between great design and great finance. Do not buy into to the Tim Cook way, we need to get back to the Steve Jobs way.
if they used gpus that mere mortals would use, there wouldn‘t be an issue. and cpu‘s are available!
Probably because it goes against their entire design-led philosophy of minimalism and purity in hardware design.
GPU's like you suggest would make it a desktop when it is a specialised workstation.
A mandatory stand? You mean those things that go in the cupboard with the rest after we mount 200 of these to VESA mounts like everyone else?
EPYC would be the only option but even then you would end up with a machine with significantly less TB3 ports. Threadripper is not a workstation part. EPYC might be able to outperform whatever CPU ends up in this thing but it won't matter one bit if you can't connect all your drives and other devices to it; USB4 and the end of expensive TB3 licensing will change this situation soon so maybe your AMD Mac Pro can come to be next year.
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I think this is actually a big part of the delay.
Well, 72 months but who’s counting
You start by pursuing a refresh of the existing machine for 36+ months before finally coming to grips with the fact you need to throw what you’ve got away and start with a blank slate.
Then you decide not to only use standard parts and to make something more than just a “normal” computer. You decide that to really do it right, you’ve got to do a deep systems analysis of some of your most important pro workflows.
You start to assemble a team, which includes actual pros from various industries, video, audio, scientific, engineering etc. Then you start to characterize and document the bottlenecks and pain points of the software those pros use.
Then you start working with a dozen or so of the most relevant and important developers of that software, and begin working through the hardware requirements that will allow the s/w devs to speed up and optimize their code.
For video pros, you decide to do a custom FPGA-based video stream accelerator card to handle real-time encoding/decoding of multiple high bit rate video, ProRes RAW streams, so you can get rid of proxy workflows. 3 simultaneous @ 8K/30 or 12 simultaneous @ 4K/30.
Coordinating with engineers in outside organizations takes much longer than if everything is in-house, and it takes a lot of management time and effort to maintain buy-in across various changes in those outside organizations’ schedules and mgmnt/engineering personnel.
You coordinate all those schedules with Intel with the hope of getting a new generation of CPUs you want when you need them, same with AMD for the GPUs. You work with AMD, who designs custom GPU cards with infinity fabric and a ton of HBM2 memory with 1TB/sec bandwidth to get 28TFLOPS of FP32 per card.
While all this is going on you have a parallel effort that’s working on a 31.5” 6K pro-quality display at a breakthrough price. After a couple years of hard work you get what you need.
Of course since it’s a new machine, you need to add support in a new version of MacOS, and do a bunch of testing and debugging of OS and applications software (with third party QA and devs), both the base config and optional hardware. Of course you need firmware too in the system and on the cards and that got to be debugged as well. Drivers need to be optimized. Everything needs to be in acceptable shape before it can ship.
So yeah, it’s kind of a big job, especially considering the things I left out and/or don’t know anything about. Doing all that took a few years.
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sorry, those are excuses. windows runs on a million more hardware pieces with billions of combinations and it works. I have a mac because I want the system to work. if apple is not up for it they should allow clones. no real pro could have waited for such a computer.Well, 72 months but who’s counting
You start by pursuing a refresh of the existing machine for 36+ months before finally coming to grips with the fact you need to throw what you’ve got away and start with a blank slate.
Then you decide not to only use standard parts and to make something more than just a “normal” computer. You decide that to really do it right, you’ve got to do a deep systems analysis of some of your most important pro workflows.
You start to assemble a team, which includes actual pros from various industries, video, audio, scientific, engineering etc. Then you start to characterize and document the bottlenecks and pain points of the software those pros use.
Then you start working with a dozen or so of the most relevant and important developers of that software, and begin working through the hardware requirements that will allow the s/w devs to speed up and optimize their code.
For video pros, you decide to do a custom FPGA-based video stream accelerator card to handle real-time encoding/decoding of multiple high bit rate video, ProRes RAW streams, so you can get rid of proxy workflows. 3 simultaneous @ 8K/30 or 12 simultaneous @ 4K/30.
Coordinating with engineers in outside organizations takes much longer than if everything is in-house, and it takes a lot of management time and effort to maintain buy-in across various changes in those outside organizations’ schedules and mgmnt/engineering personnel.
You coordinate all those schedules with Intel with the hope of getting a new generation of CPUs you want when you need them, same with AMD for the GPUs. You work with AMD, who designs custom GPU cards with infinity fabric and a ton of HBM2 memory with 1TB/sec bandwidth to get 28TFLOPS of FP32 per card.
While all this is going on you have a parallel effort that’s working on a 31.5” 6K pro-quality display at a breakthrough price. After a couple years of hard work you get what you need.
Of course since it’s a new machine, you need to add support in a new version of MacOS, and do a bunch of testing and debugging of OS and applications software (with third party QA and devs), both the base config and optional hardware. Of course you need firmware too in the system and on the cards and that got to be debugged as well. Drivers need to be optimized. Everything needs to be in acceptable shape before it can ship.
So yeah, it’s kind of a big job, especially considering the things I left out and/or don’t know anything about. Doing all that took a few years.
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guess what, as we speak some companies sell perfectly fine gpus for workstations that pros use every day. for less money. and have been, for years. if they‘re not up for the task, then hardware business should be left to other vendors. I have been using apple since 1991 and have never been more concerned about their ability to execute.
That's very cool. We will be getting 3....almost maxed out I expect. To replace the 3 5,1s
Facts are facts. You can want it to have happened faster but it didn’t. Buy it or don’t, use MacOS, Windows or Linux, whatever works best for your work.
No, those for us that use electric stand desks at home and work. So basically everyone with a university degree i'd say.
Wow, you have a pretty warped view of the world if you think that most people with university degrees use electric stand desks. However, most people I know with adjustable desks, have their monitors mounted on VESA mounts so that they can be easily adjusted.