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Apple's Rivalry With Google Gets Personal
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When companies compete, we (the customer) win. This is why I get pissed at the Apple fanboys who go "I hope they win the lawsuit!" and such. Don't these people realize that without competition, Apple will likely stagnate just like MS did when they had no competition for IE a few years ago?
Heck, Apple HAS been stagnating with the iPhone OS. There haven't really been any major improvements in the past three years. If they bring multitasking to iPhone in 4.0, that'll be the first major change to how the iPhone works since 2007. Rather than get pissed off and sue HTC or Google, Apple should instead improve their product so their lead is maintained.
If they successfully sue and manage to kill or severely thwart Android, they'll just be able to sit back for a few more years without improving the iPhone much.
Do you, as an Apple customer, really want this?
Again competition doesn't equal allegedly stealing others patented technologies.
Will Apple replace the Maps app on the iPhone with their own Map app. Perhaps iMap? That is what I really want to know.
God, I hope you are joking!
Agreed. I will likely leave this fall once my contract w/ AT&T is finished.
I agree 99%. (The 1% is that I like my MBA, but maybe its because its not the crappy 1st generation.)
He did not mention stealing. It is you that are reading into things too much and attacking other's comments for no reason.
Since we've been discussing pocketable PDAs, the Newton wasn't "there" first.
That's quite possible, but I would say that the Pilot 1000 was influenced by the Newton while the iPhone was derived from the Pilot 1000.
I agree with many of your points, but I think you're not giving Apple as much credit as they deserve. I outlined this in my previous post, but to elaborate on another similarity with Palm:
Palm inspired Microsoft to revamp its struggling WinCE line into PalmPC (aka Palm-sized PC, Pocket PC, Windows Mobile, etc), which took the Palm form factor and added more "PC" features: a bigger color screen, media playback, soft-input, and ability to use memory cards.
Likewise, Apple has inspired Microsoft, Palm, and Google, who now (or soon will) use capacitance screens, finger-input GUIs, and app stores. So other advanced smartphones have adopted key iPhone innovations while adding a few features (tighter cloud computing and social networking integration, multitasking, higher resolution screens, and in some cases keyboards).
I'm not arguing who does it best. I personally prefer Android's openness and customizability, but the iPhone is still a little smoother and many of my apps are unavailable for Android.
You must be easily amused.
What's amusing is that you can acknowledge a device being a "game changer" yet claim it's not "revolutionary."
Ah yes, because being the first to make an interface easy to use for the masses (which you acknowledge) is marketing???
Just pointing out the obvious contradictions in your own commentary.
So Palm was a trailblazer because they took Apple's work and made it smaller???
Huh? How can your product be derivative of someone else's product that was actually derivative of another of your own products???
Baffling.
All I'm saying is that it does reflect one part of their character and it is a character flaw. No, most people wouldn't hold up to that scrutiny. You bring up politicians and the like. A good example would be Clinton. To me he was a good President (I know some will disagree) but a lousy man. And yes, he brought some of those same character flaws into the White House and it became an issue. I think he was quite capable at his job but I'd never shake his hand.
I'm not saying you should trust one or the other. Schmidt has shown he isn't particularly trustworthy and Jobs shown he can be selfish. There is something to be said for Jobs, though, in that he is quite open about it rather than being sneaky like Schmidt. It also doesn't help that the company itself has its "Don't Be Evil" mantra when everyone knows it's bull. They're a company, not a religious movement.
Double Bingo! I can't get people around me to understand that I want/need to keep my life private.
As Deslock points out, this particular point of discussion was related to pocketable devices. You must have very large pants if you could pocket a Newton.
Sometimes, in certain company, you need to be a little harder on Apple to counterbalance the rabid fanboys who can see nothing but Apple, Apple, Apple.
Again, in the end, we're pretty much in agreement, even if not in scale. I can't argue against any of your points, because I don't disagree with them.
Re: availability of Android apps vs iPhone apps. I can't think of any that I use on iPhone that aren't on Android (or can't be done on the browser anyways (ie., Mint.com). However, there are certainly much slicker versions of many iPhone apps. I can't find any Android weightlifting log app that rivals my favorite iPhone app for that. I actually still take my iPhone to the gym just for GymBuddy; if it weren't for that one, the iPhone would be left at home. All that will change as Apple tightens it grip, locks down the OS even more, while at the same time Android hits more devices and good app developers realize they can make a buck on Android with a bit less uncertainty about the process then some are finding with Apple.
You're not the one who originally said you can't or shouldn't trust Google, it was the original poster that I responded to.
For many around here, Apple clearly is a religion. For many on the web, Google is clearly a religion. Sad how so many people's self-esteem is wrapped up in a company (whatever company that is) that doesn't give a rat's a** about them as an individual, and how they feel the need to religiously defend their buying decision, to the point of spewing vile and insults to those who don't agree with their point of view. That description kind of fits at least one or two here, don't you think?
For many around here, hating on Apple clearly is a religion.
Apple has plenty of flaws to discuss. It would be helpful if we could do so without disingenuous arguments and throwing the "fanboy card" at anyone who disagrees with your view (or your contradictory statements).
I wonder if Microsoft will become a target of Apple's now with its WPS7 (stupid name) plans.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/microsoft-tells-its-windows-phone-7-series-developer-story/
Who would that leave Apple to partner with if things turn sour between MS and Apple?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/microsoft-tells-its-windows-phone-7-series-developer-story/
Who would that leave Apple to partner with if things turn sour between MS and Apple?
Clowns always amuse me.
What's amusing is that you can acknowledge a device being a "game changer" yet claim it's not "revolutionary."
I've already acknowledged the iPhone was a game changer (revolutionary if you must use that word, they're essentially synonyms) in terms of bringing the all-in-one device to the masses. I've stated at least once that Apple managed to take what others had done and brilliantly package it into a slick mass market device. That's revolutionary marketing, it's not revolutionary design. The iPhone was not revolutionary in terms of form factor, UI (other than the finger vs a stylus), hardware capabilities, pricing, or just about anything else you can think of. Plenty of devices that did the same things, in some cases better, in some cases worse. The iPhone is still a lousy phone, after 3 OS versions and 3 hardware versions, you can't make a decent call on it on either T-Mobile or AT&T. Yep, that's revolutionary, sell a device with the word "phone" in its name that's a lousy phone. LOL - just zinging you there, you're so wrapped up in this it's laughable.
Yep, see above.
You keep taking things I've acknowledged in other posts, and then use them as talking points to try to attack me. I must have offended you in a prior life or some other thread and you're still bitter over it. I haven't noticed a single post from you in this entire conversation directed at me or anyone else that wasn't sarcastic, negative, and lacking in moving the conversation forward in a positive manner. Your negativity is getting old, and it actually doesn't appear to be just aimed at me. You attack anyone with sarcasm and patronizing remarks that disagree with you. Do you have an issue with me personally you'd like to take to PM and discuss, or should we just add each other to our ignore lists? It's really become pointless to discuss with you in public, you attack when I agree, you attack when I disagree. Very odd.
No contradictions at all.
Made it smaller, easy to use, and brought it successfully to mass market.
It's the same logic you're using to say that bringing the all-in-one device to mass market is what makes the iPhone revolutionary. Which is it? You seem to have one set definitions for what makes you a copy cat or a revolutionary for Apple, and another set all other companies.
Yes, indeed, it's baffling if you can only see Apple products as the first and best at everything. For the rest of us, it's not that confusing.
I thought MS and yahoo were basically one in the same at this point? Or did that deal fall through (just like every other one yahoo has tried the last few years)
I've called myself a fanboy on plenty of occasions here and across the net. It's not necessarily a derogatory term in and of itself, but some certainly take it to that level.
I don't hate Apple at all. I hate the way they've locked down the iPhone. I hate the way they've stalled the iPhone OS development in favor of the iPad. I hate the way they've handled the App Store.
On the other hand, I love my Mac Pro, my 2 Mac Book Pros, my Mac Mini, my 2 Cinema Displays, my 4 iPhones, my AppleTV, my 3 Airport Extremes, my 2 Airport Expresses, my 2 iPod clickwheels, my iTunes library, my MobileMe account, and the OS X operating system. Sadly, though, most of those products have had, and some still continue to have, design issues and hardware flaws. Apple is far from perfect.
(Well, actually, I don't love my AppleTV - it's kind of a useless product for me; that was clearly a fanboy purchase on my behalf.)
Despite all that Apple love, I don't feel the need to see everything Apple does as mana from heaven. They screw up, and they screw up big sometimes. I don't personally find them all that original and creative at the base level - they're much better at taking existing services and products and making them simplistic, usually elegant, and mass market success. That's a good thing if you're a customer and/or a share holder, but it doesn't instill rabid religious-like devotion to Apple and hatred of its business competitors in my soul.
Can you say the same?
So if they're synonyms why do you acknowledge the iPhone was a "game changer" but earlier said it was not "revolutionary?" This is my contention with your point, and yes, it is contradictory.
You seem to dismiss or be entirely unaware of software design.
I've never had a problem making a call on my iPhone. Ever. Claims that it sucks as a phone are ludicrous.
I'm not wrapped up at all. My points are entirely rational and unemotional.
Actually, I'm not attacking you at all - only your disingenuous argument.
This from the guy who interjects his commentary with "******," "silly responses," "laugh out loud," "clown," "diatribe" and "fanboy?"
Specious arguments are annoying and I'm happy to counter them. Nothing personal. There's no reason we can't disagree (even strongly) without resorting to personal insults. You should note that I did not resort to name calling in my responses to your arguments.
FYI, Jeff Hawkins' work on touchscreens goes back to the 1980s and he developed the software for the Casio Zoomer, a tablet device very similar in form factor to the Newton (it and the Newton were developed concurrently and hit the market as direct competitors within months of each other sometime during 1992-93).
Both devices flopped due to their size and horrible handwriting recognition. Jeff Hawkins' Pilot 1000 solved both of those problems. As I'm sure you're aware, later versions of the Newton used faster CPUs capable of decent handwriting recognition, but the device was still too large for a PDA and never succeeded.
Anyway, yes Palm was a trailblazer, but not "because they took Apple's work and made it smaller".
If you reread my post, you'll see that I was actually making the point that the Pilot 1000 was not derived from the Newton, but was rather only influenced by it.
Not sure why you're arguing with me anyway since I said not only that the iPhone was hugely innovative, but I also pointed out that Palm, Microsoft, and Google have copied its innovations into their platforms.
Haters and fanboys don't counterbalance each other; they just end up creating a lot of noise.
I'm sure there are alternatives to Things and 1password, though they're not going to sync with my OSX versions. Some apps that I haven't found equivalents for: At Bat, Rev, Topo Maps, Panascope, and SpaceTime.
Of course I can say the same - and have done so many times. But labeling someone who disagrees with your arguments as some kind of blind cultist overcome with religious fever is disingenuous and unoriginal. Attack the argument, not the person.
Because you won't just shut up and acknowledge that only Apple can create something amazing, useful, and innovative. If Apple didn't make it, it was either copied from Apple designs, or it doesn't exist.
I am far from a hater, and I hope you're not subtly accusing me of being one. Not my intention at all to come across that way.
I'm not familiar with Things.
LastPass Premium ($12) works on both Android and OS X, as well iPhones, Blackberries, Windows Boxes, and just about anything with a browser. It even imported my 1Password stuff easily and accurately, and since it's cloud based (offline version available), it actually syncs across all your platforms less painfully than 1Password does.
Perhaps you should follow your own advice. You've called me some kind of derogatory name in every post addressed to me in this thread. You've done the same to several others.
I'm always up to a fresh start, though.