Apple is obsessed with the 27" display. It's like they are afraid a 30" display wouldn't sell well. It would.
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Apple's Rumored 27-Inch Mini-LED Display Now Said to Launch in October
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I think 24/27/32 is a solid 2020s run of displays.
I don’t think they’d do 30in because it would require a very odd and hard to source native resolution panel to achieve their target 218ppi found among the rest of their desktop displays.
I'd normally agree with you but there are a lot of people on the ASD order threads and ASD in-store availability threads that lead me to believe that is not the case. That said, we're in a very unique supply chain situation so it's entirely possible that Apple did do a fairly tightly sized manufacturing plan for these that correctly anticipated demand but then got hit with covid closures and the like that stretched everything out to create an unplanned scarcity situation.
Here's the theory:
I often scan through long documents by dragging down the scroll bar. Right now, with a 60 Hz refresh rate, unless I scroll painfully slowly, the text blurs as its moving, so I have to do scroll-stop-read-scroll-stop-read. So with double the refresh rate, maybe I'll be able to skim-read continuously while scrolling at a reasonable speed.
Or I might be scanning through the document to find an equation that's embedded as a graphic. Here I need to be able to recognize that equation as I'm scanning so I know when to stop. At a higher refresh rate, there will be less blurring, making my stopping point easier to recognize.
Here's the practice:
I tried this, and it is better. But the refresh still isn't high enough to be able to read text as you're scanning at a reasonable speed. Maybe 240 Hz would do it, maybe not.
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It better have Pro-Motion
Was at Apple Store yesterday and played with Studio Display
Nice, but small and 60hz -- is tough to go back to.
I've gotten really used to the buttery smooth 120hz scrolling on my M32U
Folks like Gruber are going to soil themselves when ProMotion finally comes to large Apple Displays..
Was at Apple Store yesterday and played with Studio Display
Nice, but small and 60hz -- is tough to go back to.
I've gotten really used to the buttery smooth 120hz scrolling on my M32U
Folks like Gruber are going to soil themselves when ProMotion finally comes to large Apple Displays..
I really hope this is true - the studio display lacking MiniLED for HDR content was the reason I didn't purchase two to replace my aging LG 5ks.
What Apple is obsessed with is Retina and nobody but LG does Retina so Apple either has to work with their off-the-shelf products (like the 27" which is Retina at 5K) or they have to pay LG to develop a custom Retina panel for them (like they did with the 21.5" 4K, the 24" 4.5K and the 32" 6K).
A 30" Retina panel would be custom and probably around 5.5K. I would expect LG can take their 60Hz 5K panel and make it 120Hz for not a shedload of money so that would help make the "Studio Display Pro" a ~$2500 display whereas going custom 30" 5.5K would likely be more like ~$3000.
Larger panels seem to be affected by "bloom" less. The 14" and 16" MacBook Pros do not see to have as much issue with it (my 14" is very good in that regard) and I have not seen any "Bloomgate" riots in regards to the MiniLED gaming monitors which I believe are in the 24 to 27 inch range.
Sorry about that. Yeah. I also was thinking of mainly of the XDR backlog. And it would apply to the more expensive 27" screen.
The ASD has a much bigger misjudged initial demand bubble aspect to it. It looks like the MP 2013 or other intros where some folks start ordering from multiple sites just to see if can pull faster. And a bigger element of 'FOMO' where folks buying because it is rare. Covid is a limited excuse when it has been going on for almost two years by the time of the launch. Getting caught with the pants down at that point is an Apple lack of attention to detail problem than a Covid one.
When they catch up it probably will be better than than the XDR has remained once it got to steady state.
But a Mini-LED large screen is really not something Apple would whip up in a hot second to fill a demand gap crisis. That has even more supply chain bottlenecks that the components on a Studio Display.
Decent chance the original plan had them coming at the same time (or at least same dog-and-pony show introduction). The higher end one is going to take a subset of the demand pressure off the ASD. Not enough to fix broken logistics at the component production plants but some.
I won't be surprised if they basically use the same chassis if the screen size is exactly the same and weight approximately the same. Same fans, stands, etc but different internals. If so that probably wasn't an accident or 'last minute adjustment' .
Covid is a factor but also Apple's usage of a "nobody else uses" resolution is a multiplier for any Covid hiccup.
I can see this as an upgrade option for the existing display. I can also see them asking for more than $500.
For the life of me I can’t actually notice the pro motion effect on anything larger than an iPhone.
Those are good rumors but i'm torn because i placed my order on a Studio Display during the keynote and it still hasn't arrived. I'm glad they are back in the monitor market but the price of the current Studio Display cannot be justified imo. And yet i bought it. I wonder how much more the Mini-Led version will cost. That's what i actually wanted and expected initially instead we got an IPS-Panel.
If Apple can somehow release a 5k 120hz screen that'll work for my MBP and my Windows gaming desktop, I'll buy it. But I just don't know how this is possible and still have other ports on the monitor or compress the signal. But I read the Pro Display XDR uses DSC when the other ports are used ...
By making it Thunderbolt 3 they ensure that any Mac owner with a Mac dating back as far as 2016 could be a potential buyer for this display, whereas Thunderbolt 4 would have limited the potential customer base to M1 Pro, Max and Ultra based systems. (M1-based systems are still limited to TB 3).
Releasing an upgraded companion model that supports Thunderbolt 4 and therefore only newest Macs actually makes some bit of sense, similar to how Apple sold the Cinema Display and Thunderbolt Display side by side for several years.
This seems unnecessary to me. For all the hate on the Studio Display, I love it, and the colors are much better than the LG 5K Ultrafine, specs aside. I am disappointed in the facetime cam, but having a good speaker and microphone is much more important on zoom, and they nailed that part.
Now if they can get true 120 Hz HD resolution, then maybe that's something that would appeal to an audience.
Now if they can get true 120 Hz HD resolution, then maybe that's something that would appeal to an audience.
Is the bandwidth limitation at the CPU/motherboard level, or at the connector level? Wondering if you could achieve 120hz 5k with two thunderbolt cables.
There's no direct connection, but both 120Hz and mini-LED came in at the same time with the new 14/16" MBP's. Thus if you are going to make an external monitor to suit those laptops, then the monitor needs to be both 120Hz and mini-LED or it's a joke. And at 27", it needs to be minimum 5K to meet Apple's ppi standards, but unfortunately those MBP's have a bandwidth limitation to drive such a monitor. It's one of the few glaring limitations of those machines, and thus is surely near the top of the list of improvements for the next iteration.
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Here's a link to VESA's announcement earlier this month that the first DisplayPort 2.0 source and sink devices have been certified (source=computer, sink=display). By making use of both the outgoing and incoming channels for the outgoing signal, they are able to double the single-direction bandwidth available from current TB4 impementations. Since the latter can support the XDR, which is 6k@60Hz, TB4/DP2.0 could support at least 6k@120Hz.
I don't know what the lead time will be between this annoucement and when we could see these incorporated into actual product:
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Alternately, as others have mentioned, Apple could create its own solution.
I don't know what the lead time will be between this annoucement and when we could see these incorporated into actual product:
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Alternately, as others have mentioned, Apple could create its own solution.
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I'd definitely wait for reviews on this before spending like 3000 bucks on it. The larger Apple displays don't have a great native contrast ratio which could lead to more noticable blooming. I think on the new MBPs it's just about good enough but MBPs screens have had a pretty decent native contrast ratio for a while now.
The Studio Display on the other hand for example has a pretty mediocre native contrast level even for an IPS panel, which is fine on it's own, but once you start using a backlight that can produce perfect blacks, the difference between perfect black and what the panel can produce will become apparant.
Here is an example of a monitor using Mini-LED on a mediocre contrast panel:
Apple will obviously not ship something like this, but I think it's a good indicator that Mini-LED alone does not make a great display. I am hoping for an MBP 2021 level of display in monitor form.
The Studio Display on the other hand for example has a pretty mediocre native contrast level even for an IPS panel, which is fine on it's own, but once you start using a backlight that can produce perfect blacks, the difference between perfect black and what the panel can produce will become apparant.
Here is an example of a monitor using Mini-LED on a mediocre contrast panel:
Apple will obviously not ship something like this, but I think it's a good indicator that Mini-LED alone does not make a great display. I am hoping for an MBP 2021 level of display in monitor form.
Ross Young has a pretty solid record so far when it comes to display rumors so I believe this is something Apple is working on.
The delays, IMO, are likely due to Apple not being able to get enough components to make them in any appreciable quantity (and this applies to a lot more products - like the M2 Macs).
"The Osbourne Effect" is a real concern for Apple because they can't reliably ship their current products, much less the next round of new ones. If Apple announces better an ASD Pro and M2 Macs at WWDC with delivery planned in Q3, people with ASDs and M1 Macs with ship dates into Q3 are just going to cancel and wait for the new models.
At this point, I expect we will have another major "Mac Event" in November when Apple announces the new toys (M2 Macs, ASD Pros, etc.) because by then everyone who was waiting for an ASD / M1 Mac will have them and they will have enough initial warehoused stock of ASDP and M2 Macs to at least prime the channel for the first tranche of buyers (and hopefully more).
WWDC can announce the new Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR because those won't ship till late this year or early next year.