This is a reasonable analysis. It will be interesting to see what actually happens in a couple of weeks.
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Any predictions for the size, resolution, and refresh rate of the new XDR?
From Samsung, a new mini-LED 32" 4K 240Hz refresh rate display $1500!!! available June 6th.
www.theverge.com
Samsung’s latest high-end gaming monitor — the curved 32-inch Odyssey Neo G8 — is now available to preorder for $1,500 and will be available to purchase on June 6th, the company has announced. The news follows its reveal back at CES in January.
The Odyssey Neo G8 is notable for having a 240Hz refresh rate, making it one of, if not the,fastest-refreshing 4K monitors on the market. Other features include a claimed peak brightness of 2,000 nits, support for Adaptive-Sync (which means it’ll do variable refresh rates with both Nvidia and AMD GPUs), and a curvature of 1000R.
Like its larger sibling, last year’s ultrawide Odyssey Neo G9, the G8 is Mini LED. It uses over a thousand LEDs as a display backlight, and these can be selectively turned off and on for better contrast. The G8 has 1,196 local dimming zones across its curved 32-inch display.
For an idea of how the Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 might perform in practice, check out our review of the Odyssey Neo G9 from last year. Hopefully a year of progress means the new G8 won’t suffer from the same issues displaying HDR and 240Hz content as its predecessor. Curved displays are generally reserved for ultrawide monitors rather than regular 16:9 displays like the Neo G8, but it’s impossible to say for sure how it’ll perform until we see it for ourselves.
Samsung’s 240Hz 4K Mini LED 32-inch monitor goes on sale for $1,500
One of the only 4K monitors to do 240Hz.
www.theverge.com
Samsung’s latest high-end gaming monitor — the curved 32-inch Odyssey Neo G8 — is now available to preorder for $1,500 and will be available to purchase on June 6th, the company has announced. The news follows its reveal back at CES in January.
The Odyssey Neo G8 is notable for having a 240Hz refresh rate, making it one of, if not the,fastest-refreshing 4K monitors on the market. Other features include a claimed peak brightness of 2,000 nits, support for Adaptive-Sync (which means it’ll do variable refresh rates with both Nvidia and AMD GPUs), and a curvature of 1000R.
Like its larger sibling, last year’s ultrawide Odyssey Neo G9, the G8 is Mini LED. It uses over a thousand LEDs as a display backlight, and these can be selectively turned off and on for better contrast. The G8 has 1,196 local dimming zones across its curved 32-inch display.
For an idea of how the Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 might perform in practice, check out our review of the Odyssey Neo G9 from last year. Hopefully a year of progress means the new G8 won’t suffer from the same issues displaying HDR and 240Hz content as its predecessor. Curved displays are generally reserved for ultrawide monitors rather than regular 16:9 displays like the Neo G8, but it’s impossible to say for sure how it’ll perform until we see it for ourselves.
It is interesting to read reviews of the Odyssey Neo G9 at 240 Hz, since that requires that same bandwidth as 5k at 120 Hz, and thus gives an indicator of the extent to which current tecnologies could support the latter with DSC.From Samsung, a new mini-LED 32" 4K 240Hz refresh rate display $1500!!! available June 6th.
Samsung’s 240Hz 4K Mini LED 32-inch monitor goes on sale for $1,500
One of the only 4K monitors to do 240Hz.
Samsung’s latest high-end gaming monitor — the curved 32-inch Odyssey Neo G8 — is now available to preorder for $1,500 and will be available to purchase on June 6th, the company has announced. The news follows its reveal back at CES in January.
The Odyssey Neo G8 is notable for having a 240Hz refresh rate, making it one of, if not the,fastest-refreshing 4K monitors on the market. Other features include a claimed peak brightness of 2,000 nits, support for Adaptive-Sync (which means it’ll do variable refresh rates with both Nvidia and AMD GPUs), and a curvature of 1000R.
Like its larger sibling, last year’s ultrawide Odyssey Neo G9, the G8 is Mini LED. It uses over a thousand LEDs as a display backlight, and these can be selectively turned off and on for better contrast. The G8 has 1,196 local dimming zones across its curved 32-inch display.
For an idea of how the Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 might perform in practice, check out our review of the Odyssey Neo G9 from last year. Hopefully a year of progress means the new G8 won’t suffer from the same issues displaying HDR and 240Hz content as its predecessor. Curved displays are generally reserved for ultrawide monitors rather than regular 16:9 displays like the Neo G8, but it’s impossible to say for sure how it’ll perform until we see it for ourselves.
However, this is a very different class of monitor from the Studio Display. At 32" 4k, it has a much lower ppi than Apple's 27" 5k, making it much less suitable for text work at normal viewing distances with MacOS—particularly since Apple nerfed MacOS's usability on non-Retina displays starting with Mojave, when they abandoned subpixel antialiasing.
Yes I realize I have now posted about two 32" 4K mini-LED panel in this topic ($1799, and $1500). But it also puts Apple a bit on the spot for not introducing a mini-LED display in the first place. The current $1599 27" 5K display is still just a 60 Hz IPS with white LED rated 600 nits. Its still looks like a 27" iMac a bit from the back.
PS If it wasn't for the Studio Mac pairing in March, its seems likely a mini-LED display would have been possible towards the end of 2022 for about the same price.
My guess is that it will be a 7K display with an A series SoC to support Spatial Audio and CenterStage. As to size, it could stay at 32" with a 254ppi to match the MacBook Pro line or it could grow to ~36" and keep 218ppi.
Of the two, I think Apple would stay at 32" and improve the ppi.
I honestly believe they can't get the parts to make one in the quantity they believe it will sell at and that is why it has yet to be announced.
While I don't believe this is the case, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the Apple Studio Display was meant to have MiniLED (and a higher price) and the inability to secure sufficient supply forced Apple's hand to use a slightly improved version of the iMac panel and launch it now and then wait 6 to 12 months for MiniLED supplies to improve to the point they could launch a new "Apple Studio Display Pro" at a higher price.
Going along with that thought, its not unrealistic to think that Apple had to discontinue the 27" iMac because they also couldn't get sufficient supply of ISP panels either. All you need to do is look at displays backlog presently 8-10 weeks out, saying you get it until Aug 5th.
You could argue either way for the ppi: Go with 254 to have the same absolute UI size as the MBP's, or stay with 218 to have about the same apparent UI size as the MBP's (where the latter assumes that viewing distance for the XDR would be about 254/218 -1 ≈ 15% – 20% greater with the MBP).
I personally would like to see them go with 254, and then offer exact 3X scaling; that would give a UI size about the same as a 4k 27" with 2X scaling, which I'm used to. [They don't offer this with the 16" or 14" MBP.] Also, in viewing very small text (which I sometimes have to use) on the MBP, I noticed its 254 is sharper than the XDR's 218.
And what about ProMotion?
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Considering Apple couldn’t sell it at the ASD price point with MiniLED, I do not think that is the case. I think it is more likely that these rumors are for an updated XDR. I think a 3 stair step display lineup is a good idea but between the ASD and XDR seems like a product without a customer. Making a 24in 4.5K like the new iMac display that is cheaper than the ASD seems like the display that would be a best seller.
It might be.
It is also possible Apple feels the 24" iMac "covers the spread" between the 21.5" iMac and 27" iMac.
I would expect so. Depends on what the TB4/USB4 controller in the Apple Silicon SoCs can handle.
A lot of people just wanted an iMac 5K display without the PC and were willing to pay iMac 5K prices to get it, so the Apple Studio Display is the right display at the right price for them (since it is cheaper than an iMac 5K).
The rumor mill is all over the place on what displays are coming:
- LG is said to be developing a 24" 4.5K, 27" 5K and 32" 6K display with the 27" and 32" having MiniLED and both having an A series SoC.
- Ross Young has multiple sources who have informed him that Apple has a 27" 5K display with MiniLED in development.
- Gurman says Apple is developing a 7K display (size unknown, but it should be either 32" or 36") with MiniLED and an A Series SoC.
My best random-arsed guess is that Apple has two displays in development:
- An "Apple Studio Display Pro" that is 27" at 5K with MiniLED and may or may not have ProMotion.
- An "Apple Pro Display XDR" update that is 32" at 7K with MiniLED and likely will only support 60Hz (which is actually fine for video work, which is what it will be meant for).
I am one of those people. I just get the feeling a 2.5-3.5k display is a price point no-man’s land. I could be wrong but I think the market left for Apple is below the ASD and leaving the XDR slot for “blow out your budget” or “I’m a legit niche professional that needs this”
My guess is Quanta in Shanghai.
And Ross Young evidently tweeted three days ago that this is where the "Studio Display Pro" was to be made, as well, but is now being moved to another assembly facility due to the COVID lockdowns in Shanghai and now looks like an "October release".
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Quanta Shanghai Manufacturing City would seem like an ideal site to implement China's "closed-loop" management system to prevent the spread of COVID that requires staff to live and work on-site in a secure bubble.
One of their sites was the one where workers were overwhelming guards to go home from being restricted to the factory around May7th.
Other Quanta sites
No wonder displays are dribbling out only.
Or possibly a refresh of the current gen and release of the new 27"
There have been plenty of rumors of an Apple Silicon "iMac Pro", but with Mac Studio now available, I am not sure what kind of market it would have compared to no Mac Studio.
But if Apple does make a new "iMac Pro" this would be a logical display for it.
Yeah, as is well-known, the iMac Pro was introduced by Apple as a stop-gap to give pros something after ~5 years without an update of the trashcan MacPro. With the AS+ASD, there's no longer that specific need.
I think where there's a more obvious gap is the lack of a big-screen consumer-grade machine. For most consumers, an M2 will provide enough power, but many want a screen bigger than 24". And the ASD simply isn't consumer-priced. Thus what they need is a >= 27" M2 Retina iMac. The prior workaround—spending a few hundred dolllars to get a large non-Retina display—is no longer a good option since, with the abandonment of subpixel rendering since Mojave, MacOS looks suboptimal with anything other than a Retina display.
I think Apple understand the need for entry level performance + larger screen, which is why there's rumors they will be introducing a 15" M2 Air. A >=27" Retina M2 iMac would simply be the desktop analog to that.
So was listening to the Upgrade podcast with Jason Snell and Myke Hurley and they brought up an interesting idea - what if Apple releases an updated Pro Display XDR in two sizes? We'd have the current 32" in either 6K or 7K, but then also a 27" model at 5K.
So instead of this being a "Studio Display Pro", it would be a smaller Pro Display XDR. I like this idea because it would provide visual differentiation in the design along with a different feature-set (MiniLED, ProMotion) between the Studio Display version and the Pro Display version.
So instead of this being a "Studio Display Pro", it would be a smaller Pro Display XDR. I like this idea because it would provide visual differentiation in the design along with a different feature-set (MiniLED, ProMotion) between the Studio Display version and the Pro Display version.
No. Their speculative lineup would include:
Apple Studio Display
Apple Pro Display XDR (27")
Apple Pro Display XDR (32")
Apple now plans to release a new 27-inch display with mini-LED backlighting in October due to the Shanghai lockdown, which has resulted in production of the display being delayed, according to display industry consultant Ross Young.
In a tweet, Young said Apple is in the process of moving production of the display from Quanta Computer to a different supplier and/or location, resulting in a delay. Young said it is now looking like the display will be released in October, whereas he previously claimed the display was on track for a June release, around Apple's developer conference WWDC.
Mini-LED backlighting would pave the way for the display to feature ProMotion with a variable refresh rate up to 120Hz. This could result in the display essentially being a "Studio Display Pro," but it's unclear if Apple would use that branding. Additional details are still unknown, including pricing. The existing Studio Display starts at $1,599.
Young, CEO of Display Supply Chain Consultants, has in the past accurately revealed that the sixth-generation iPad mini would feature an 8.3-inch display and that the 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models would feature ProMotion.
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It, and the Studio Display, are essentially a 27” iMac with a slightly crippled CPU (it could have had M1 or even M2 for a few extra $) and software lock so that it can’t run MacOS.
I could see them use the iMac panel in the current display, either as an update, and adding it as an upgrade option.
Really don't see a completely separate standalone display with another name.
This is something I could see, since it wouldn't be a completely different product, just a different size of the current XDR.