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The phone getting the hardware is 1% of the advancement. It will be years before the infrastructure exists to meet the phone's abilities. First the towers, then the actual bandwidth going to the towers would have to be outrageous.

Will it be the XSs?

What’s so great about 5G anyway? My only issue right now is coverage in some areas. When I’m in AT&T’s zone data is fast enough for my needs.

My thoughts exactly...

Speed is fine for my needs, coverage is the spectator sport for me right now - I get better reception standing in the middle of the lake our house backs on to, compared to anywhere in our actual house! Thankful for phone calls over Wifi as the solution!
 
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I assume you have been to every gym on the planet to confirm that.

Yep. Pretty much. Every gym.

That must have been a busy morning for you! ;)
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I would not be at all surprised if Intel either developed 7nm or licensed it from TMSC somehow.

Intel's 10nm has broadly about the same advantages/capabilities as TSMC's 7nm...
https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/7602-semicon-west-intel-10nm-gf-7nm-update.html
 
Obviously the main issue with Qualcomm vs Intel chips is patents. The second issue is a contract dispute between Qualcomm and Apple. I suspect those thousand Intel engineers and about the same at Apple are working to patent things around 5G which will be ubiquitous in 2021. There is already a FRAND framework around some of the base technologies in some frequency ranges. But there are frequencies and methods not subject to FRAND Qualcomm may use to get exclusive deals with some handset makers. But will carriers support them? Maybe. 5G is a bandwidth hog and for the local device a power hog. I would not be at all surprised if Intel either developed 7nm or licensed it from TMSC somehow.

Given Intel's typical markup, they could pay TMSC's customary price and still make bank mainly on license fees to Apple who has the deepest pockets on the planet and an opportunity cost issue thanks to the Qualcomm actions. Could be a win-win-win.
Intel’s 10nm is comparable to tsmcs 7nm. Same gate width and spacing.
 
Got the XS on the 16th of October. It has disappointed immensely when it comes to LTE performance. The software updates haven't resolved it. Apple is slow walking a resolution. This is the first time ever, I've had to use Apple Support. If they polish out this issue, then I'll be content with everything about this device. Then comes time for an upgrade in ~2 years and the embrace of 5G.
 
Got the XS on the 16th of October. It has disappointed immensely when it comes to LTE performance. The software updates haven't resolved it. Apple is slow walking a resolution. This is the first time ever, I've had to use Apple Support. If they polish out this issue, then I'll be content with everything about this device. Then comes time for an upgrade in ~2 years and the embrace of 5G.
On my xs right now I’m getting 22.1down vs 20 down on my iPad. I was seeing speed issues when I first got it, but 12.1 seems to have resolved it. I am seeing speeds at least as fast as my iPad Pro in the same location on the same network.
 
On my xs right now I’m getting 22.1down vs 20 down on my iPad. I was seeing speed issues when I first got it, but 12.1 seems to have resolved it. I am seeing speeds at least as fast as my iPad Pro in the same location on the same network.

I wish I could say the same.

My iPad Air 2 outperforms it on LTE (Verizon Wireless). It also seems to maintain a stronger signal, whereas the XS fluctuates between 1-3 bars. I had no unusual connectivity issues ever, until this XS.

I did a defective phone exchange, just to make sure. Still having slow connections. To be sure, I've used several different speed test providers, and numerous test servers. All of them show the Air 2 typically is 4x quicker side-by-side than the XS, which is unacceptable for such a new device. I dug up old speed tests from my 6S (almost wish I didn't upgrade, given this hassle), to confirm this performance issue.

There have even been times where my XS is slower than a 56k modem!

Apple Support had me log, screen record, make screen shots, and submit diagnostic files. I hope they make this right. I've already done numerous factory data restorations (and lesser troubleshooting measures).
 
Well that gives Intel almost 2 years to get it right Hopefully they get it right by then but it’s doubtful being that 5G is new and In chartered waters
Our biggest hope is that Apple and Qualcomm
Make peace and that the modems are manufactured by Qualcomm
 
I wish I could say the same.

My iPad Air 2 outperforms it on LTE (Verizon Wireless). It also seems to maintain a stronger signal, whereas the XS fluctuates between 1-3 bars. I had no unusual connectivity issues ever, until this XS.

I did a defective phone exchange, just to make sure. Still having slow connections. To be sure, I've used several different speed test providers, and numerous test servers. All of them show the Air 2 typically is 4x quicker side-by-side than the XS, which is unacceptable for such a new device. I dug up old speed tests from my 6S (almost wish I didn't upgrade, given this hassle), to confirm this performance issue.

There have even been times where my XS is slower than a 56k modem!

Apple Support had me log, screen record, make screen shots, and submit diagnostic files. I hope they make this right. I've already done numerous factory data restorations (and lesser troubleshooting measures).
Sorry to hear it. What network are you on? I just tested from a new location and am gettin 100Mbps down and 30Mbps up (I’m in Silicon Valley). Maybe related to an interaction with your network or tower?

I had been getting terrible speeds until 12.1.
 



Apple will launch its first 5G iPhone in 2020, according to an unnamed source that spoke to Fast Company.

Apple is said to be planning to use Intel's 8161 modem chip in the 2020 iPhone lineup, with Intel set to be the sole provider of 5G chips for Apple devices. The upcoming 8161 chip will be fabricated using Intel's 10-nanometer process.

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Right now, Intel is said to be testing a precursor to the 8161, the 8060, which will be used for prototyping the 5G iPhone.

Fast Company's source says that Apple has "been unhappy" with Intel as of late because of Intel's failure to solve heat dissipation and battery life issues with the 8060 modem chip that's in the works.Despite its displeasure with Intel, Apple has not considered reopening conversations with Qualcomm about supplying 5G modems for the 2020 iPhone models. The company has, however, held conversations with modem chip maker MediaTek as a Plan B if Intel can't work out its modem problems over the course of the next year and a half.

With its legal dispute with Qualcomm escalating, Apple has been relying on Intel chips for its devices. The iPhone XS, XS Max, and XR all use Intel modem chips, with Apple having transitioned away from Qualcomm entirely for its flagship iPhone lineup.

Rumors late last year suggested Intel and Apple were already working on 5G chip technology for future iPhone devices. Intel is said to have thousands of people working on 5G tech to catch up with Qualcomm and win Apple's 5G modem contract.

The first 5G smartphones are expected to start debuting early in 2019, with the first to be Android devices using Qualcomm 5G chips. 5G technology is expected to deliver speeds that are 10 to 100 times faster than the average 4G connection, at a gigabit per second or higher, along with lower latency and other benefits.

Article Link: Apple's Rumored to Debut First 5G iPhone in 2020 With Intel as Modem Supplier
5G is too high a frequency. Google 5G and health.
 
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Exactly... Michelin tires shouldn't cost more because they are on a BMW instead of a Chevy.

Why? They are often very different tires, purchased in different amounts, etc. In addition, if people will pay a brand premium companies will charge it.
 
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Next phone I want to get is a 5g phone, so I guess no new iPhone for next year. :(

What the heck, now I will have to wait out the 2019, too? I do not want to buy iPhone in 2019, only to buy new one again in 2020.
I doubt the veracity of this rumor. 5G won’t necessarily make that much difference to cellphone users, though as a fixed wireless technology it definitely has promise. It will take many years before widespread infrastructure upgrades are in place.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple doesn’t incorporate 5G until the 2022/2023 timeframe, depending on the progress of carrier rollout. If you look at Apple’s 4G/LTE rollout, it was hardly at the leading edge.
 
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Why? They are often very different tires, purchased in different amounts, etc. In addition, if people will pay a brand premium companies will charge it.
In his analogy it is the SAME tires in different cars. Just like two phones might have the same Qualcomm chip but have to pay different license fees based on the price of the storage and screen.
 
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Sorry to hear it. What network are you on? I just tested from a new location and am gettin 100Mbps down and 30Mbps up (I’m in Silicon Valley). Maybe related to an interaction with your network or tower?

I had been getting terrible speeds until 12.1.

Verizon. I don't believe it is network related.
When I first noticed LTE connection issues, I compared my iPad Air 2
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Here's the XS after 12.1:
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In his analogy it is the SAME tires in different cars. Just like two phones might have the same Qualcomm chip but have to pay different license fees based on the price of the storage and screen.

His analogy was for two different manufacturers, and licensing fees could very depending of specs, number of units, etc. As an analogy; I can have the same exact 2 bolts, one might cost a dollar and the other 20 because one is simply off the shelf and the other requires a pedigree to verify it meets the required spec. Just because two parts are the physically same doesn't mean they will cost the same.
 
Qualcomm, HiSilicon, Intel, MediaTek

Out of the 4 competitors, Apple is choosing the bottom 2 to buy modems from. Seems like Apple enjoys a challenge.
So, I guess a supplier that can actually deliver the massive number of parts Apple needs has nothing to do with it, right? Or the supplier's QA record? MTBF? Yep, Apple's like the gov't, they just put it out for RFQ and pick the cheapest one.

I'm always amazed by how many people on these forums seem to posses more knowledge and experience, in these really complex areas of tech, than extremely successful companies that employ some of the top talent in the world. We should all feel truly grateful to have the opportunity to absorb the deep wisdom and insight they provide us, free of charge, no less!
 
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Apple needs to make their own modems. They have the capital. Their mobile cpus rival and smoke many intel desktop cpus.
IF they did that the number of patent lawsuits filed against Apple could swamp the whole US legal system. Those patent holders will be out for blood. FRAND be dammed.

I wish I could get 4G at home. Well, I can on one of the main UK networks if I stand on a chair in an upstairs bedroom at the back of the house. 5G is a pipe dream where I live.
 
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Apple should just buy Qualcomm and call it a day. :)

Is it legal to do so while a lawsuit is ongoing?
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IF they did that the number of patent lawsuits filed against Apple could swamp the whole US legal system.

What if Apple hunted down everyone of those patent holders and bought them up? Research and buy; sounds too simplistic.

Just outside my front door, great 4G reception - inside the house, forget about it if the wireless is not up.
 
His analogy was for two different manufacturers, and licensing fees could very depending of specs, number of units, etc. As an analogy; I can have the same exact 2 bolts, one might cost a dollar and the other 20 because one is simply off the shelf and the other requires a pedigree to verify it meets the required spec. Just because two parts are the physically same doesn't mean they will cost the same.
You can make up your own analogy if you wish. But the facts of the actual situation are this: Apple and Samsung buy chip X from Qualcomm. They pay for the chip. It’s the same chip. Then a subsidiary of Qualcomm’s parent company demands a licensing fee to USE the chip they just bought. And the fee varies no depending on specs (same specs), not depending on the number of units (similar quantities), but DOES vary based on the retail price of the phone the chip is put into.

That would indeed be like charging BMW more than Ford for the same quantity of identical tires. Or, worse, charging BMW more when it puts an identical tire on a 6-series than when it puts the tire on a Mini.
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Is it legal to do so while a lawsuit is ongoing?
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What if Apple hunted down everyone of those patent holders and bought them up? Research and buy; sounds too simplistic.

Just outside my front door, great 4G reception - inside the house, forget about it if the wireless is not up.

Why wouldn’t it be legal to buy a company when there is a lawsuit?
 
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