Apple's Rumored to Debut First 5G iPhone in 2020 With Intel as Modem Supplier

[Agit21]

My prediction for 2020, notch-less with camera embedded in screen for full front display, 5G, USB-C and possibly a 3rd camera lens on the back to name a few.

My thoughts exactly. That’s why I bought the X a few weeks ago. The Xs is not much different but way more expensive.

 

[jlc1978]

My prediction for 2020, notch-less with camera embedded in screen for full front display, 5G, USB-C and possibly a 3rd camera lens on the back to name a few.

I predict no matter what Apple releases people will whine "But it has / doesn 't have X..."

I agree that with a mature market for phones Apple will go to a longer cycle sin ce the tech doesn't get that much better year to year.
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Hopefully it will be called iPhone 5G. Time to get out of the messy names like iPhone XR, XS and XS Max...

Then Apple can finally reintroduce the GS...
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5G is the last great leap in phone features we're going to see in the near future. I expect it'll be like having wifi everywhere, except minus the loss of connection when you change towers. 4G is pretty good but does somewhat limit what can be done away from home.

I suspect you'll see 5G be where phone service and ISP converge. Your phone can act as a hotspot and for an added fee keep unlimited uncapped data; thus supplanting an ISP for many people. With ATT already a content provider and Tmobile moving in that direction they'll what to be your phone/ISP/content provider.
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You should try to understand the difference between ionizing radiation (used in nuclear power, xrays, etc) and the type of harmless radiation that is all around us.

Any radio waves are by definition radiation. You’re not being killed by tv and radio station broadcasts. The Sun emits millions of times more non-ionizing radiation than your cell phone.

The type of radiation emitted by your cell phone is not the same kind you’d think of being emitted by a nuclear disaster or by xrays. Non-ionizing radiation is all around us, most of it a part of nature that we’ve lived with for millions of years.

True, but there are other types of radiation beside ionizing that are harmful, depending on the power level. I agree that we are awash in a sea of radiation and cell phone radiation is not a major worry.
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I, for one, could care less about 5G; just because you can, doesn't necessarily mean you should. It seems like a lot of tech these days is not about addressing a need, but about obsoleting existing gear to steer you toward upgrading your products. Just IMO, ofc.

5G appears to be the first time it is feasible for cellular to replace hardwired connectivity on a large scale. This would change the competitive landscape for ISPs as well as make it easier to provide connectivity to areas currently not serviced by wired connections. I could see a broadband initiative similar to the old rural electrification / telephone ones to buildout 5G.
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I look forward to this savaging my monthly data cap in the first hour of every month.

How so? You may have faster speeds but unless your usage pattern changes your data demand would not change. I can see cpas being an issue if someone decided to start using their phone as their primary connectivity device if the speed is high enough to replace their ISP; but web pages, emails, video/audio streams aren't going to magically consume more data simply because the pipe size changed.

 

[MoreRumors?]

If Apple and Qualcomm didn't have this dispute, the XS would have had the 5G modem and ready to go next year when the carriers are suppose to start rolling out the 5G. I can't say enough in my disappointment with Intel and the suppose 'thousands of people" working on 5G to catch up to Qualcomm.

 

[citysnaps]

Maybe he is referring to the 5G towers,..which emit far more radiation than 4G. Multiple towers are required, where usually a single tower with 4G is necessary.

In fact, how you can make those observations, when research into 5G is ongoing, I have no idea. We have had TV and radio station broadcasts for far longer, clearly.

It is still non-ionizing radiation.

Also...Cellular infrastructure, ie basestations, have for many years transitioned to a greater number of much smaller cells, employing beam-forming and spatially multiplexed streams exploiting multipath, with each cell transmitting a fraction of the output power of older and larger cells.

 

[curtvaughan]

So no hope of 5G on the 2019 iPhones then. Not sure my iPhone 6s Plus will be able to last me another two years...

Replace its battery - with good care, it should last. That's what I'm doing with mine. I guess it's a chicken and the egg thing, but I suspect the 5G coverage infrastructure won't be ready by 2020.
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Hah that was my same thought with a 6S

We can do it!

Best iPhone for the money they've produced, and with a phone jack.

 

[Firebrand]

Yup, won’t catch me with a 5G phone on my ear.

And an Apple Watch (or any other) will ever alert you for radiation or other tech hazards etc.

 

[curtvaughan]

5G is a real alternative to the cutthroat cable companies if you can’t (like me in a rural location) or don’t want to pay for their services.

If you can't get cable or fibre coverage in your area, pretty much sure you won't get decent cell coverage, either. Until service providers are declared "common carriers" like your electricity and land line providers, rural coverage will continue to be spotty. The companies have no financial incentive to provide low density coverage.

 

[Applemaniac7]

Seriously, worst names they've made since the 90s. They sound like car names, except R is usually faster than S on cars. Or like the usually tasteless Android phone names.

And who make you king of taste? No one? Thought so....

 

[curtvaughan]

Yup, won’t catch me with a 5G phone on my ear.

But you don't mind IR radiation in your eyes for face id?

 

[Heineken]

true, but there are other types of radiation beside ionizing that are harmful, depending on the power level. I agree that we are awash in a see of radiation and cell phone radiation is not a major worry.
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If energy level is not high enough then it's not harmful.

 

[curtvaughan]

I'm still waiting for the iPhone 9. Bugs the heck out of me to skip it.

I guess you could say Apple copied Microsoft for a change - there was no Windows 9.

 

[Heineken]

But you don't mind IR radiation in your eyes for face id?

Your point being?

 

[StellarVixen]

What the heck, now I will have to wait out the 2019, too? I do not want to buy iPhone in 2019, only to buy new one again in 2020.

 

[curtvaughan]

Your point being?

The point being that if you are concerned, after having awakened your phone via an infrared radiation blast to your face, with possible health effects of 5G microwaves, you might want to broaden your perspective. Google "health effects of infrared radiation", peruse, then look up "health effects of 5G technology", peruse.

 

[Glideslope]

But you don't mind IR radiation in your eyes for face id?

I own an 8+ and I am concerned about the increased IR emissions for the 2019 Face ID v2. So, yes it concerns me.
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I am more worried about carrying it near my gonads, as most of us have done for years. Add the heat factor now, that is very uncomfortable, at the least.

I carry a Murse.

 

[Pman17]

2020 is good news for me. For the first time, I plan on a 3 yr upgrade cycle with my phones. Original plan was either upgrade my X in 3 years, 2020, or when he 5G iPhone rolls around if sooner. I can’t wait for 5G, 4G is becoming crap since everyone is on it. Seems like I have less bars than years past. If my phone goes from LTE to 4G, the data connection doesn’t work.

 

[laz232]

"... millimeter-wave signal requires some heavy lifting from the modem chips, our source explains. This causes the release of higher-than-normal levels of thermal energy inside the phone-so much so that the heat can be felt on the outside of the phone".

Only thermal energy - how about radiation?

As a RF a microwave engineer I can offer a little bit of insight on this. 5G technology has a higher throughput so that obviously means more thermal dissipation for the processing, the use of higher frequencies typically also incurs an efficiency penalty on the RF side. The amount of RF energy (Electromagnetic radiation) however does not necessarily need to be higher.

 

[jgbr]

Let’s work on being able to get a stable connection, strong data rate reception and actual 4G working first shall we?

 

[Heineken]

The point being that if you are concerned, after having awakened your phone via an infrared radiation blast to your face, with possible health effects of 5G microwaves, you might want to broaden your perspective. Google "health effects of infrared radiation", peruse, then look up "health effects of 5G technology", peruse.

Do I need to google "tin foil" too?

 

[cmaier]

Maybe he is referring to the 5G towers,..which emit far more radiation than 4G. Multiple towers are required, where usually a single tower with 4G is necessary.

In fact, how you can make those observations, when research into 5G is ongoing, I have no idea. We have had TV and radio station broadcasts for far longer, clearly.

The number of towers makes absolutely no difference. That’s just the inverse square law at work. If you are being hit by 1W from 1 tower or 0.2W each from 5 towers, your body can’t possibly know the difference.

And we know 5G is not ionizing radiation. No “study” is required.

 

[ichii]

Next phone I want to get is a 5g phone, so I guess no new iPhone for next year.

 

[BoulderAdonis]

I always have access to a WiFi connection these days, whether at home or somewhere in publc. Rarely have I had any need to use my fast LTE while doing everyday traveling, like going to the supermarket to buy groceries. Not even at the gym, since I get free WiFi there. The bus and light rail terminal already has free WiFi, too.

5G should be more of an infrastructure issue on which LTE phones could thrive. So, more devices can be accommodated with no latency issues. 5G of course is gonna be a selling a point even for Apple. But Apple has been pushing stuff over the years that I still have not needed: Apple Music (already have my library and if there is a particular song I want to listen to, I use YouTube). I still haven't used Apple Pay either.

Gym WIFI (my gym) is horrible. Having a bad implementation is worse than having nothing.

My experience is the exact opposite actually. And apparently for many others as well. 5G will be very welcome.

https://xkcd.com/1865/

 

[Mr. Dee]

Gym WIFI (my gym) is horrible. Having a bad implementation is worse than having nothing.

My experience is the exact opposite actually. And apparently for many others as well. 5G will be very welcome.

https://xkcd.com/1865/

I assume you have been to every gym on the planet to confirm that.

 

[nt5672]

I'm observing the same behavior before Jobs returned to Apple. This is a weakness for Apple and a opportunity for Apple's competitors. Offering consumers too many options causes confusion and may result to price inflations because it decreases economies of scale.

Yep, this is just standard process for Ivy League senior managers. Its like Marketing 101.

 

[Rocketman]

Obviously the main issue with Qualcomm vs Intel chips is patents. The second issue is a contract dispute between Qualcomm and Apple. I suspect those thousand Intel engineers and about the same at Apple are working to patent things around 5G which will be ubiquitous in 2021. There is already a FRAND framework around some of the base technologies in some frequency ranges. But there are frequencies and methods not subject to FRAND Qualcomm may use to get exclusive deals with some handset makers. But will carriers support them? Maybe. 5G is a bandwidth hog and for the local device a power hog. I would not be at all surprised if Intel either developed 7nm or licensed it from TMSC somehow.

Given Intel's typical markup, they could pay TMSC's customary price and still make bank mainly on license fees to Apple who has the deepest pockets on the planet and an opportunity cost issue thanks to the Qualcomm actions. Could be a win-win-win.