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Apple's Search Engine Negotiations With Google Took Months of Near-Daily Meetings
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Yeah, Google search and maps are still the best. You don’t have to like Google/Android, but people do have to give credit to Google for creating/refining a couple of great and very useful products.
This is not how it works though. Google needs just a few searches to identify you with extremely high accuracy, only by using metadata and the search string itself. As had been said, it is self evident that Google gets bunch of data from that deal. 9 billon USD worth of data.
*Rest of Post about apples hypocrisies on privacy and politics in general redacted because it violates forum policy
this is getting ridiculous MacRumors. Posts disappear without notification, posts being edited by staff without indication, posts deleted randomly for being OT while half the forum is OT.... gonna a look fo a new site i guess.
And google would get "that bunch of data" without the payment to Apple. Unless you are proposing Apple violate all sorts of net standards by blocking google. Apple might as well be paid by google, it's good for the bottom line to both companies and not hypocritical on Apples' behalf.
*Rest of Post about apples hypocrisies on privacy and politics in general redacted because it violates forum policy
I also like how they use AWS, supporting Amazon's shady practices.
I see it not so much about what data Google gets from iOS users, but more so that iOS users are by and large more lucrative compared to android users. That’s why Google is willing to pay so much to access them, because we are where Google earns the bulk of their profits.
I do believe that Google gets way more data from their android users. They just aren’t able to monetise it as well on the android side, if at all.
Last I checked Google is selling ad space and their costumers are paying based of how often, how much or for how long their ad is viewed or clicked on.
So why do you suspect iOS users are more lucrative? They look more at adds on average? they click more often on adds?
Anyway, Marekul is correct, it's simply 9 billon USD worth of data, nothing more.
LoL based on what do you believe this?
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You repeating the same logical fallacy over and over doesn’t make it true.
This has already been explained by another poster. iOS users are the most valuable mobile users on the planet. Even generic/anonymous data from such a group has value.
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https://www.macrumors.com/2018/08/22/android-sends-data-google-10-times-ios-to-apple/
For starters.
https://www.fool.com/investing/gene...-more-valuable-to-google-inc-than-androi.aspx
Here’s an old article which first got my attention.
I suspect iOS users are more lucrative because we on average have more spending power and as such, are more likely to buy whatever it is we click on.
Advertisers are not stupid. They also want the clicks to translate into more products sold and I guess the follow through rate for ios users is simply higher?
Otherwise, why is it that iOS has 14% market share but accounts for 80% of Google’s revenue?
https://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/03/29/iphone-4x-revenue-android-phones/
Who is telling any one consumer to avail themselves of the services of any company? How, exactly, does this “rip off more of their prey”.
First thing I did when I got my iPhone is switch the default search engine to DuckDuckGo.
I use it as well, I like it cause if I need a google result I can just type !g to get it. It's a nice search engine though.
Oh so the old elitist speech with 0 substance. Exactly what I was expecting.
I also suspect advertisers are not stupid and they wound not pay more for adds I see on my iphone vs adds I see on my android phone. I'm the same person anyway.
Because that article was from 2012 and it makes a statement about the 2008-2011 period. We are now in 2019 in case you forgot.
And yet I still get targeted ads based on what I search for on google with my Apple devices. Google is using search data to then target ads at me. I personally don’t care or mind but it’s still a form using personal information.
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In this case you sure can have it both way. Should Apple forget about net neutrality and block google. Does Apple give away your data? iOS for Apple for being paid for what users would do anyway.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t say anything about blocking google people can make their own choice. I’ll continue to use it but I’m also not here preaching privacy either. Apple doesn’t have to promote it by making google the default web search provider.
If Google is Apples number one competitor, who they infer don’t keep your your information private and that you should be in Apples ecosystem for its protection of user data, it’s a complete sell out to get paid to let them be the default browser.
Google search on Apple is definitely using the data as I get targeted ads all the time after searching for a product.
All the forum members preaching I’ll never use android or google apps yet are cool using google as default search engine makes no sense to me.
Enlighten us. Which "logical fallacy" is the OP committing? Look at the infographic you downloaded from Pinterest if you must.
The fallacy of your own rebuttals is that they are informed while others are speculative. Neither Apple nor Google has explained how their unlikely arrangement doesn't compromise Apple's privacy promises. And unless you work in advertising, your assumption is just that.
Ultimately, determining the truth or motivations of the brand's path is futile in these forums. What is of value, are people's perceptions. Companies thrive or die on people's perceptions. No matter the factual reasons for Apple and Google's arrangement, if it appears hypocritical or suspicious to some, damage is done. And since both companies have been guilty of violating people's trust, it's reasonable to be skeptical regardless what assurances they give.
Net standards or net neutrality have nothing to do with it. No one said Apple should block google, nice straw man there. No one would care if apple didn't position themselves as the good guys when it comes to privacy
This interview should be mandatory viewing for every law student and MBA student. Unbelievably candid but done so with clarity and precision. It's worth watching several times.... it's that good.
This post is a straw man (no one?). With or without the payment the same net effect. Apple customers can use google services on iOS devices. With it without the payment customers are handing over data to google. Not Apple.
The spin on this is interesting to say the least.
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Thank you for the clarification with the higher amount.
Apple Maps started out the same way, but now is becoming a good competitor to Google Maps. I'm not saying I never use Google search — I do use it — but having Google as the default on millions upon millions of Apple devices makes it even harder for other search engines.
Who said anything about "block"ing Google? This article is about making Google the default search engine, as opposed to another choice (DuckDuckGo, Bing, etc.).
I'm sure there have been literally hundreds of articles — and dozens on MacRumors alone — describing Google's practices regarding personal data. You are free to use Google if you are fine with them collecting and using your personal data, and many people are completely fine with that. I'm not saying Apple is sending Google anyone's personal info. I'm saying that by making Google the default choice, they are putting Google in a prominent position to collect our personal data.
If you're concerned about consumers' privacy, like Apple says they are, I don't understand Google being the default search engine on their devices. When Apple takes out ads like the one below, and then accepts billions of dollars from Google to use them as the default search engine, there seems to be a contradiction. Is it in the spirit of this ad that Apple took out?
YES! Absolutely a great profession because there are so many legal specialties one may pursue.
How is it not? Does the payment change the technology underpinnings somehow?
The answer is no. With or without the payment the same information will flow to google. To google being the default engine is worth the money.
Without the payment, no way would apple set the default as google. That would result in what apple promotes, privacy for their customers. But apple would rather iOS users be an additional revenue stream by abusing them as a product and selling them out to Google.
Apple is not blocking google. It's irrelevant which engine the default is..any search engine can be chosen and google is enough of a brand that people might just www.google.com in the address bar. And this post shows where the spin is.