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Apple's Search Engine Negotiations With Google Took Months of Near-Daily Meetings
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It is a well known fact that most users will leave the default in place and access what they really want. Look at MS and Bing. Where I work (>100,000 employees) we use Windows and Bing is the default. Yet the majority of users open Explorer/Edge and access "Google.com".
If this is the normal behavior, Apple getting some cash from Google to be the default is the smart move.
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I won't say it is an always fail however it does show a seriously reduced data result for a lot queries. I have found it to be better than Bing but not as good as Google.
They can identify you by IP
Then if you use an app like YouTube, they have your IP connected with everything else on your phone
Your IP is not assigned by Apple. “They” that send the ip is due to internet standards, not controlled by Apple.
Would probably be good for a company claiming privacy is a fundamental human right to make their default search engine one that also respects privacy then wouldn't it?
No, not really. Payment or not nothing changes. People have search engine options.
Switch to DuckDuckGo , use Startpage.com to get Google results but by protecting your identity. Look it up. You can type " (search term) !s" on DDG and it will automatically send you to startpage. Read about it to understand how it works.
8 Billion documents reviewed by 350 people?
8 Billion documents reviewed by 350 people?
That’s not the argument here, and you know it. The issue is Apple’s hypocrisy, not the ignorance of Apple’s users.
Irrespective of Apple's choice, unless they are going to try to do the Apple Maps route (personally I think that would be a mistake) and come up with a search engine and apps that deliver (not semi deliver) you are going to have this issue.
No, there is no hypocrisy. The issue is the spin put on this transaction.
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My 2 cents in this debate:
I don't expect ANYTHING done in a device that connects to the Internet to remain truly private. EVER.
Apple is a marketing MONSTER. Privacy is just another marketed feature like how great 3D-Touch is.
I could spend a lifetime trying to learn about the protocols and underlying technology behind all this, and unless I worked for Apple or Google in those spaces I'd STILL have to take them all at their word. It's all FAITH, ladies and gents.
Thus, I just don't worry about it to this extent.
I'm concerned with what I can do to reduce the chances of other people stealing my identity, not the companies that lay down the infrastructure. That's what the law is there to do. And even that can fail or be changed at the whims of any imbecile WE allow to be put in charge.
Eat, drink, and be merry, folks. For tomorrow, we die.
I don't expect ANYTHING done in a device that connects to the Internet to remain truly private. EVER.
Apple is a marketing MONSTER. Privacy is just another marketed feature like how great 3D-Touch is.
I could spend a lifetime trying to learn about the protocols and underlying technology behind all this, and unless I worked for Apple or Google in those spaces I'd STILL have to take them all at their word. It's all FAITH, ladies and gents.
Thus, I just don't worry about it to this extent.
I'm concerned with what I can do to reduce the chances of other people stealing my identity, not the companies that lay down the infrastructure. That's what the law is there to do. And even that can fail or be changed at the whims of any imbecile WE allow to be put in charge.
Eat, drink, and be merry, folks. For tomorrow, we die.
That's talking about the services that require an Google account logging in, or an OS that Google controls, not a search service on a non-Google OS.
Imagine what Apple would have been using their technology for if Tim "human rights are a good idea so long as you never have to defend them" Cook was "just complying with local laws" several decades ago
Yup, and google is now paying Apple 9 billion a year, up from the initial 1-2 billion. So on average, google pays Apple an extra $1 billion every year just for the privilege of accessing its users.
Logic would suggest that Apple is actually gaining more leverage over google, rather than the other way round.
You don’t have to necessarily believe or like what I say. But google is a profit maximising company first and foremost. Would they agree to pay Apple so much if they didn’t expect to earn even more back from us? And if the rest of the android user base were anywhere near as lucrative, we would have seen it in their earnings report.
Or do you think google is doing this because they have too much money to throw around?
It absolutely is not anonymous. I'm not sure where you got that idea. There are plenty of identifiers that G can use to correlate the user, logged in or not.
Whew, the lengths people go here just so that they don't receive targeted ads. Reading some of the responses here, you'd think me and the other 1B+ people who use Google to search for things are just asking to get kidnapped by the New World Order or something.
At the end of the day, privacy in the information age is a fallacy.
At the end of the day, privacy in the information age is a fallacy.
Right. Assuming you’re a typical user and don’t delete cookies and/or change your ip.
Wait... now you AGREE with the very point I made that you disagreed with? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How do I remove Bing as the default in Windows? As far as I can tell it is the only option.
Further to say, the payment from google changes none of this, which is the main issue that the “Apple is being hypocritical “ crowd is missing.
Which is exactly what I pointed out. Circular reasoning. Ta ta, good show!
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Yes. I use it often.
