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HTF is that even relevant to this conversation? Oh, I see you changed the stupid comparison. So the HP business notebook was over 2 grand? How much of a laptop do you need to check email? at work? or are you one of those oh so important folks that have to have a loaded up laptop to cruise the internet forums at work?

This is a waste of time.

All threads should have their first post as "Apple wins" then close the thread. The rest is a total waste of time and respect for anyone else's opinion. Nice stereotype going here.. And I use macs sadly!


Why are you so sensitive? If you feel that way, then why do you keep posting? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even if its contrary to yours.
 
If they're rebooting mac this coming Wednesday, why did they wait until after classes start. You'd think they'd have this in august so everyone would go out and buy the new computers for classes.
 
What crazy person made that chart? The labels on the left are different increments. Twice.

My bad. Numbers auto-formatted the height of the y-axis, but then I had entered a defined number of increments, so it used fractional increments. But since it rounded them to the nearest percentages for display on the axis, it looked like the scale changed several times.

Fixed...thanks. :)
 
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What market percentage does apple need to reach to take over the world? And then at what point does skynet form within the apple campus?
 
It seems the entire PC industry just does not know what to make of the iPad. It has indeed proved to be an extremely disruptive device. Both Gartner and IDC aren't lumping it in as PC unit sales but I don't think there is any doubt that the iPad had a cannibalizing effect on the PC market. We'd need a breakdown of the units sold to get a clearer picture. Will Gartner and IDC create a new "tablet" category next quarter or next year? Or will they decide to lump it in with the PC's? It doesn't seem Apple really cares. They're just too busy selling 'em and creating new models.

It would be very interesting to see what the revenue and profit share is like instead of units - both including and excluding the iPad. I think it was the Deutsche Bank that estimated that although Apple has just 4% of the global market share in PC unit shipments but around 35% of the profit share, which is quite in line with what the iPhone is doing in the handset industry. Since the Mac unit share is now over 10% in the US, that would indicate that Apple is raking in well over 50% of the profit share in the US market.

We'll see some hard numbers on Monday, but none of these figures are surprising based on what we are observing out there. Apple is gaining serious market share across the board - especially in profit share. Apple's consistently spectacular performance has now numbed us to expect the amazing numbers quarter after quarter. What's doubly amazing is that Apple still has so much room for growth. Yet the competition seems frozen and unable to respond in any effective manner. They've been blindsided and are in a daze as Apple continues to bite big chunks out of them. Fascinating...
 
The increase coincides nicely with Apple's continual price drops, let's make sure we note that, because I guarantee you it's the top reason for the increase. If Apple were still pushing base-model laptops for $2500+ they'd still be bottom of the barrel. They got wise.
 
Mac users are more affluent. Macs and Starbucks are both luxury products. Why am I not surprised?
Correct.

The self-reported annual income of early iPad purchasers averaged over $100,000.

Starbucks' target demographic are professional females, age 27-39 making over $70,000 per year.
 
"Media tablet hype around devices such as the iPad has also affected consumer notebook growth by delaying some PC purchases, especially in the U.S. consumer market. Media tablets don't replace primary PCs, but they affect PC purchases in many ways," Ms. Kitagawa said. "At this stage, hype around media tablets has led consumers and the channels to take a 'wait and see' approach to buying a new device."

Media Tablet? Media Tablet? Anyone who thinks the iPad is a media tablet is really under estimating the power of this fully operational slate computing platform. The iPad is a transformative computing device with the potential to make a much bigger impact on how we compute than the "Laptop" or the window/mouse UI. (and even there, I'm possibly underestimating the impact.)
 
Media Tablet? Media Tablet? Anyone who thinks the iPad is a media tablet is really under estimating the power of this fully operational slate computing platform. The iPad is a transformative computing device with the potential to make a much bigger impact on how we compute than the "Laptop" or the window/mouse UI. (and even there, I'm possibly underestimating the impact.)

Underestimating? Did you try attaching a flash stick to this super computer? The cheapest netbook can do much more than iPad. Sure iPad owners are very creative in overcoming the obstacles. But what else could they do? Spend $800 and then discover that this thing is a little more than a graphic calculator? This will stimulate your creativity :p
 
Underestimating? Did you try attaching a flash stick to this super computer? The cheapest netbook can do much more than iPad. Sure iPad owners are very creative in overcoming the obstacles. But what else could they do? Spend $800 and then discover that this thing is a little more than a graphic calculator? This will stimulate your creativity :p

I bought an iPad with the expectation that it was a big iPod Touch. I was blown away. The iPad doesn't need flash sticks, it talks directly to the cloud. ( it doesn't need USB either, or a Mouse, or Floppy Disks, or a Data Cassette Drive or Punch cards...)

And I'm not just talking about iPad, I'm talking about the way you can use a large multitouch screen to directly manipulate large amounts of cloud based data and services. In 6-7 years when we get to the second major generation of these devices you'll recognize the iPad as the turning point, the same way I look back on the original Xerox Star and Dandelion leading in the Mouse/Window UI (which inspired the original Mac interface, which inspired MS Windows running on that Netbook of yours.)
 
I bought an iPad with the expectation that it was a big iPod Touch. I was blown away. The iPad doesn't need flash sticks, it talks directly to the cloud. ( it doesn't need USB either, or a Mouse, or Floppy Disks, or a Data Cassette Drive or Punch cards...)

And I'm not just talking about iPad, I'm talking about the way you can use a large multitouch screen to directly manipulate large amounts of cloud based data and services. In 6-7 years when we get to the second major generation of these devices you'll recognize the iPad as the turning point, the same way I look back on the original Xerox Star and Dandelion leading in the Mouse/Window UI (which inspired the original Mac interface, which inspired MS Windows running on that Netbook of yours.)

Excellent point. A few short years from now, people would look back to the iPad launch as the turning point for how portable computing changed. I believe that tablets (iPad and others) will replace the laptop, and the laptop will replace the desktop. The desktops that are around, like the iMac will look more and more like the iPad, using a combination of osx and ios (or windows and android os).
 
i have an ipad, and i really like it, but i am not sold that tablets will by the major form factor of the future. the lack of a keyboard is too restrictive. i am fine wth the ipad as a media consumption device--i prefer its satellite
character and simplicity--but i am not sure this will become a dominate form factor.

at some point someone will pair a touch tablet with some sort of integrated keyboard and that will take off. imagine a super slim mb air with touch where you could simply flip the keyboard full around and use it as a tablet.
 
Not in my office. :( I'm the only one that uses a MacBook while others use Dell. I feel like an outcast in my office. :mad:

Its like this at my school; with the issue being how the techs can work on them if/when they break down. While the Apple design is beautiful, except for the MacPro, it is just not user repairable on site by non-Apple techs.
 
10%!

This is a great accomplishment for Apple considering their history. They have hit their strides and continue to have success despite ups-and-downs in the earlier years.
 
One company against many! OMG!

For Apple to compete, apple is doing quite well. Just starting this year, I have decided to get a mac, because I like my iPhone and the iPad. So far, it has been way better than the pc. I really don't need a computer, but I like the fact that I don't need to plug my laptop to an outlet. However, my Macbook Pro still only last about 5 to 6 hours. This is way better than my pc notebooks. However, it is quite less than my iPad. Frankly, iPad is all that I need or want. I do have ps3 and xbox 360 for the major games. However, there are a few games that are just for the pc. That's ok.

I am sure that Apple would like every household to have a mac but that is simply not possible. Unless, Apple can convince more businesses to use mac. I do predict that apple will eventually 30 percent of the pc market. If they count iPad as a computer, then 10 percent would be increased to 15 or 20 percent already.

I am hoping for multi-touch mac and a mac store for the next mac computers this coming wednesday event.
 
1 out of every 10 computers runs OSX. Still a flailing minority if you ask me.
Uh-huh... apparently lots of things (college graduates perhaps?) are a flailing minority as well. ;)
"Regardless of how Apple corporate wants to portray its products,
the Mac isn't a machine for the masses any more than red wine is
the preferred beverage at baseball games.
:
So who cares about ubiquity anyway?"
--D. Story


Another favorite Apple quote of mine (not sure whom to attribute, and i paraphrase here):
"We may only be 10%... but quite clearly we're the top 10%."
;)

--

I'd imagine that these market-share percentage figures include purchases from places like banks, insurance companies, government agencies, and all sorts of businesses which started out by running DOS in the 80's and subsequently moved on to Windows in the 90's. Those types will continue down that path until doomsday. So the whole "popularity contest" facet of these comparisons is meaningless from the get go.

But even if it were strictly a matter of "personal" computers (i.e., purchased by individuals, not including workplace PeeCees), I'd still agree with Derrick: who cares about ubiquity anyway?
 
i have an ipad, and i really like it, but i am not sold that tablets will by the major form factor of the future. the lack of a keyboard is too restrictive. i am fine wth the ipad as a media consumption device--i prefer its satellite
character and simplicity--but i am not sure this will become a dominate form factor.

at some point someone will pair a touch tablet with some sort of integrated keyboard and that will take off. imagine a super slim mb air with touch where you could simply flip the keyboard full around and use it as a tablet.

Not all of us are great at typing. Some would have to look at the screen to be sure that we are typing correctly. Others type with two fingers. Not everyone is comfortable with keyboards. Those that fear keyboards, I think they are ones who prefer to write things down and don't like computers. So, it's a learning curve to tap data entry. Tapping versus typing, fight!

Maybe Apple should have a dual screen on the iPad or a flat keyboard. This flat keyboard will have the coresponding letters, numbers, symbols. We can learn to tapping as opposed to typing.
 
I bought an iPad with the expectation that it was a big iPod Touch. I was blown away. The iPad doesn't need flash sticks, it talks directly to the cloud. ( it doesn't need USB either, or a Mouse, or Floppy Disks, or a Data Cassette Drive or Punch cards...)

And I'm not just talking about iPad, I'm talking about the way you can use a large multitouch screen to directly manipulate large amounts of cloud based data and services. In 6-7 years when we get to the second major generation of these devices you'll recognize the iPad as the turning point, the same way I look back on the original Xerox Star and Dandelion leading in the Mouse/Window UI (which inspired the original Mac interface, which inspired MS Windows running on that Netbook of yours.)

Yes, and with the iPad mankind took one small step away from the typewriter keyboard it had been fettered to for generations. I see the keyboard as having made us think more linearly then our minds are wired.

I'm highly encouraged with how independent app designers have imagined ways of interacting with data that is way beyond how one would with a keyboard, and we are on only the first wave of creativity!

Correct.

The self-reported annual income of early iPad purchasers averaged over $100,000.

Starbucks' target demographic are professional females, age 27-39 making over $70,000 per year.

Except, I made it clear I was not talking about Starbucks (or any other franchise coffee shops), and the discussions was about portable computers; Macs vs. PCs. (not iPads)
 
seeing that almost everyone I know has a mac, how is it still so low? i would expect it to be at least 25%

I guess it all depends where you live. I personally don't know anyone that has a Mac, though I did see a guy with a MacBook on Tuesday, and to me that was big.
 
Except, I made it clear I was not talking about Starbucks (or any other franchise coffee shops), and the discussions was about portable computers; Macs vs. PCs. (not iPads)
I didn't read your post. I was simply commenting on Beric's post.

Whether or not my comment strengthens or weakens your stance is of no concern to me. Sorry, this thread has nearly a hundred comments, and when they get this long, I do not read each comment.
 
I bought an iPad with the expectation that it was a big iPod Touch. I was blown away. The iPad doesn't need flash sticks, it talks directly to the cloud. ( it doesn't need USB either, or a Mouse, or Floppy Disks, or a Data Cassette Drive or Punch cards...)

And I'm not just talking about iPad, I'm talking about the way you can use a large multitouch screen to directly manipulate large amounts of cloud based data and services. In 6-7 years when we get to the second major generation of these devices you'll recognize the iPad as the turning point, the same way I look back on the original Xerox Star and Dandelion leading in the Mouse/Window UI (which inspired the original Mac interface, which inspired MS Windows running on that Netbook of yours.)

Now, that of course is a very tasty piece of baloney. Nowadays all devices can connect to internet (for which cloud seems to be a buzz word). DO you really think that "touching" cloud helps you manipulate data better Did you try to touch the millions of pixels in Photoshop lately? How does that feel like? Once again. Everything you can do on iPad, one can do on a netbook (including "touching"). And then they can do so much more. If there is a turning point it has very little to do with iPad. It has to do with availability of mobile broadband and newer mobile CPUs.
 
Not all of us are great at typing. Some would have to look at the screen to be sure that we are typing correctly. Others type with two fingers. Not everyone is comfortable with keyboards. Those that fear keyboards, I think they are ones who prefer to write things down and don't like computers. So, it's a learning curve to tap data entry. Tapping versus typing, fight!

Maybe Apple should have a dual screen on the iPad or a flat keyboard. This flat keyboard will have the coresponding letters, numbers, symbols. We can learn to tapping as opposed to typing.

I'm sorry, but real typing is always going to be a lot more efficient than tapping a screen where you have to look where you are typing.

If you know how to type, you don't even have to look at the keyboard (given you have a keyboard with some tacitile feedback so you know your fingers haven't strayed off the wrong keys, something a screen can't give you so you'd have to look). And not looking at the keyboard to type means you can be looking at something else while typing your thoughts (for data entry, the data that you are trying to enter, for example. Which means you don't have to take time to look at where you are typing, you can just type as you read what you need to type in. I can sit here and reply to you and do it quicker cause I don't have to keep searching what I want to hit, I can just put my thoughts right up on the screen without pausing at all to make sure my hands are in the right place.

Typing is always going to be a lot more efficient until they come up with a way that you can "tap" (so you call it) without looking down at what you are tapping at.
 
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