As I said in my earlier post market share isn't really a big deal but I consider the iPad to be a PC.
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Apple's Share of Computer Sales Surpasses 10% in U.S.
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As I said in my earlier post market share isn't really a big deal but I consider the iPad to be a PC.
1 out of every 10 motorists drives a Premium brand, luxury vehicle. It's all about the cost of entry. It's all about selling on margin and not on volume.
The cost of entry when it comes to Macs (unless you're buying a Mini in the US) is $1000+. Apple owns that segment. It's the Premium end. Of course, there's also the iPad, which is redefining the "Mac" and "computers" at large.
This is your opinion and not an actual fact. The fact is - that people could do a lot more with a netbook. I don't have stats - but let's just say that some/many found them sluggish or not optimal to do what they wanted - but they COULD do lots more with a netbook than an iPad. And certainly right-out-of-the-box without 3rd party applications/purchases. It's a misnomer to perpetuate that netbooks aren't good for anything. It's marketing "hype" from Apple and what they want you to believe. I am sure there are thousands upon thousands business users who get good use from their netbooks. My. 02.
Hmm, let's see. How about the top 10% with a sense of humor.
[hint: the winkie
Really? I have to laugh at this because (even as an Apple owner of several devices) I question the sense of humor of at LEAST 90 percent of the people on this forum....
This is so true. Very well put. The iPad is very empowering for the Average User in particular.
It isnt, certainly not with the average.
The ipad in reality is more limited in some ways and "empowering" in others. It depends on how you use it .
A stupid example is printing. People do print certain things, no problem with any netbook, the ipad on the other hand ...
Printing, Email, having a file structure, full programs vs. limited function apps (even Apple's suite of productivity software isn't really ready for primetime), etc.
Look - I own and LOVE my iPad. And I use it a ton. But there are definitely things it lacks or is "crippled" in ways that don't make it super productive or "empowering" to me. On some things - it shines like nothing else. Others - not much at all. Which is unfortunate - because I believe it's nothing more than the fault of Apple's iOS - and not the device itself in general.
Yes, it is amazing isn't it. I still have to use 7 for my business now and then and it's like ... "Why would anyone do this voluntarily?"
I think you are totally correct. At the moment iPad is not a full replacement for say a MBP or MacPro if you create. On the other hand it is only the first iteration. I suspect as it matures it will creep up there to be able to do more and only high end creators will need the traditional Macs.
One client of mine illustrates this well, he has a MBP and loves it (ex PC user I should add). He got an iPad and now tells me he uses the iPad 90% of the time. The other 10% is probably going to be doable on the iPad after a few more advances in iOS and maybe iPad Mk 2. He is probably typical of the majority of all users out there.
Every one of these reports about market share brings out the silly comments comparing windows to OS X.
This is about manufacturing PCs.
Not one company is even close to a majority. 25% is a plurality, not a majority. Not one of these companies should expect to reach 50%. There are too many brands.
I would think Apple's goals would be to simply close the gap a little with the leaders. Aim for 15%.
This is about manufacturing PCs.
Not one company is even close to a majority. 25% is a plurality, not a majority. Not one of these companies should expect to reach 50%. There are too many brands.
I would think Apple's goals would be to simply close the gap a little with the leaders. Aim for 15%.
True but what about netbooks, pocket PCs and the "windows" phone. Should these have their own category?
I think that we will reach a point where we should talk about OS's on all devices but be careful not to lump them together.
We could talk about Windows, OS X, iOS, Linux, etc. Keep iOS and OS X separate. But I'm not sure about Windows. Do they have different names for windows on a netbook or a pocket PC? I know in the past these devices would get lumped into the statistics for windows. But they should be separate really.
As has been noted, the 90% of Windows boxes include fleets of corporate PCs that lots of Mac users are forced to use at work.
If you just take the home market, and most especially the dominant portable part of the home market, I'm sure you'd see a Mac share in the 25-35% range. We see this every time you pass a Starbucks. Sometimes it seems almost 50-50.
In the real world, when people spend their own money, far more than 10% choose to move up to Macs.
If you just take the home market, and most especially the dominant portable part of the home market, I'm sure you'd see a Mac share in the 25-35% range. We see this every time you pass a Starbucks. Sometimes it seems almost 50-50.
In the real world, when people spend their own money, far more than 10% choose to move up to Macs.
The big difference is usability. I can't even use a windows laptop never mind a netbook. I respect that other people think differently and obviously there is no real data storage on an iPad.
Also 91% of people spending $1000 or more on a computer buy a mac. That says it all really.
Different use cases exist for all users. The problem arises (especially on this forum) when people assume everyone is just like them. I appreciate your balanced post...
It's not surprising at all. More and more people are realizing that there is a computer out there that "just works" - it's called a Mac. I helped convert close to 20 windows users to Mac last year and they all ask themselves why they put up with shoddy windows for all those years.
Yeah - but I know plenty of people who are "forced" (nice choice of words there by the way - not too too biased) to use Macs but have PCs in their house. It goes both ways...
Windows on a netbook is still Windows. They used to run XP Home Edition but now have Windows 7 Starter which is a cut down version of Home Premium.
Unlike iOS on the iPad which won't run OS X software, netbooks can run standard Windows software, hence they are counted as Windows computers.
iPod Touch has same apps than iPad and you can do basically same stuff with iPod Touch than you can do with iPad... so if iPad is a PC, surely iPod Touch is a PC too?
You can do many things on iPad without connecting it to iTunes, but most users connect iPad to iTunes from time to time. In my opinion, that is what differentiates iPad from a PC. iPad isn't an independent unit, it's additional hardware. I don't have iPad yet, so I don't know if it can be even used at all without connecting it to iTunes first.
I love my iMac, MacBook Pro, iPad and iPhone. But people really need to stop perpetuating the misnomer that Apple products "just work." It's simply not true. If it were - there wouldn't be long lines and full classes at the Apple Store and Genius Bar.
Every device has a learning curve. And it all depends on use-cases and how much effort you want to put into it to learn how to get the most out of these devices. Many people are OK using 1% of a device's (whatever it is) potential. That holds true for TVs, Digital Cameras, phones, stereos, computers, etc. Then there are those that invest more time and energy to delve deeper.
Of course any ardent Apple user is going to support Apple and slight MS. There are STRENGTHS and WEAKNESSES of both Macs and PCs.
But again - "just works" is simply a marketing message which is both a lie and devoid of merit.
I agree completely. Apple is making an awful lot of money with 10%. If Apple gains 5 more percentage points, even over 10 years, it would be a massive succes. If iPhones make inroads into the enterprise, combined with college graduates preferring macs, companies might be persuaded into taking macs more seriously for business purposes. Even if they don't, macs are very succesful in the consumer market.
The Apple business strategy seems rather solid.
Anyone can use a mac but its amazing how people who have had one for years don't actually know many of the time saving keyboard shortcuts or even what expose is!
I've had problems with macs but they are usually easy to solve, I have found windows pc problems very hard to solve. For example on my windows 7 desktop the printer spooler crashed (i think thats what its called) so I restarted the machine, still same problem. I googled it and a hit came up on microsofts website and it said to download a bit of software that would solve it. Guess what it didn't so I then had to follow about THREE pages of instructions to solve it.
I personally find that Macs "just work" way more often than Windows PCs.
Another favorite Apple quote of mine (not sure whom to attribute, and i paraphrase here):
"We may only be 10%... but quite clearly we're the top 10%."
Just to chip in, that quote originally came from Douglas Adams (author of the Hitchiker's Guide books), who was an avid Mac fan. The actual quote was slightly different:
Another funny one (not longer applicable, but still would've been humorous at the time):
And last but not least, a good one to apply here:
jW
Just to chip in, that quote originally came from Douglas Adams (author of the Hitchiker's Guide books), who was an avid Mac fan. The actual quote was slightly different:
Another funny one (not longer applicable, but still would've been humorous at the time):
And last but not least, a good one to apply here:
jW
Being older than 35, I love the last quote.
Agreed. There's still the up-front cost factor, though. I hear a lot of PC users says they'd love a Mac but they're too expensive. Price of entry is $1000+. Of course over time, a Mac is definitely a better value proposition, as evidenced by record Mac sales during the recession.
Every penny I paid for my MacBook Pro was money well-spent. I would have even been willing to pay a little more.