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That is so ridiculous. People continue to buy Macs and install Windows through bootcamp because PC OEMs suck badly.

Which is why Apple struggled to get 12% of the marketshare? And the PC OEMs litterally have the rest of it? and 85% of the computers in the world run windows? And More PCs are typically shipped in half a year than Apple has ever produced desktops and laptops?

Apples are just PC hardware in a fancy case, typically in uselses form factors, like the Mac Mini.

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Not everyone wants to hassle with that. Build your own is strictly for enthusiasts.

I could put a computer together in 20 minutes once I had all the parts.

I could teach anyone with 1/8th a brain to assemble an ATX form factor PC, install windows and be good to go.

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BS. I know someone who just bought an expensive $2000 iMac(to run Windows) because there was no equivalent PC that had a great screen, super quiet, high capacity SSD and core i7.

Then your friend is retard. I can build a PC Tower that will be super quiet, have MUCH better specs, be more upgradeable, wont melt. Hell, I can build a Dual GPU i7 liquid cooled monster. And still have enough money leftover to buy an awesome monitor.
 
Uh huh. Which one is made of plastic and which one is made of stainless steel? And how exactly does a logo change that? :rolleyes:



Riiight.

Oh yes! Because the case material totally makes a difference in how it performs and has NOTHING to do with just looking cool...

wait...

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Computers I own:

Apple Powerbook ( Pismo )
iBookG4
G4 Tower
G5 Tower
2011 iMac
G3 iMac, Arctic white :)

PCs:

Packard Bell 486
Pentium II IBM Thinkpad ( also got a P3 thinkpad )
Alienware MX Series Laptop
2 Custom built Gaming Towers
HP Mini something ( it holds all my ROMS )
GAMEPC Liquid Cooled Portable gaming PC

So, I have a nice mix of PCs and Macs.

By the way, that GAMEPC cost 6,900 dollars. My iMac only clocks in at 2700 when it was all said and done.

Lets see. Does Apple even make a computer than can compete with a high end gaming PC? No. No they dont.

Why would I want a Mac Mini when I have a 27 inch iMac?

You need to realize, Macs use pretty much everything a PC does. The only reason you buy a Mac is because you like OSX, or you think it looks cool. I bought my latest 2011 iMac because well, I have lots of disposable income. And I wanted a cool looking living room machine.

It used to be Macs, were just plain awesome machines.
 
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Oh yes! Because the case material totally makes a difference in how it performs and has NOTHING to do with just looking cool...

wait...

:confused: In an iPhone 4S, the case material has everything to do with how it performs. Unless you think you are going to get good reception with a plastic antenna.
 
:confused: In an iPhone 4S, the case material has everything to do with how it performs. Unless you think you are going to get good reception with a plastic antenna.

My ****** Samsung droid phone got great reception....my galaxy S3 gets great repception....my old windows mobile phone got awesome reception.

Theres more than one way to make an antenna.

Remember, phones actually existed before the iphone.

Btw, only the iPhone uses the case as its antennae
 
I've yet to meet a Mac user that was dying to go back to Windows.

Some do, mostly for a specific app that currently has no Mac equivalent of similar quality/capability, but do so grudgingly, and then run back to their Mac when the task is done.
 
I've yet to meet a Mac user that was dying to go back to Windows.

Some do, mostly for a specific app that currently has no Mac equivalent of similar quality/capability, but do so grudgingly, and then run back to their Mac when the task is done.

Hello!

I had to go back to windows in my post college days, because OSX just didn't offer what I needed to get the job done
 
My ****** Samsung droid phone got great reception....my galaxy S3 gets great repception....my old windows mobile phone got awesome reception.

Theres more than one way to make an antenna.

Remember, phones actually existed before the iphone.

Btw, only the iPhone uses the case as its antennae

Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that what you said was wrong.
 
Of all the cell phones I have owned - both smart and dumb - the iPhone, hands down has dropped more calls and had the worst connection issues. That's MY experience. Not everyone's. But there you go.

That being said - the argument that Apple only produces one phone a year while Samsung produces many is, and continues to be mostly irrelevant.

Most people go into a store and buy one phone for themselves. Right now - their biggest choices are iOS or Android. And there are a lot of Android phones. So the fact that Samsung has a great share is great for them. Additionally - since that one person is only buying one phone they make a choice. If Samsung has 1 phone or 20 phones - they are still only buying one. The fact they have more choices doesn't negate the fact they are either buying iOS or Android in this scenario.

Is it impressive that Apple sells so many of ONE phone - yes. But saying that Samsung has a great marketshare because they sell so many is really just saying that Samsung caters to more people with varied tastes.
 
The iphone form factor looks very dated to me. The galaxy s3 has smooth curves, a huge screen and feels nice and light.

The iphone has sharp edges, is heavy and with a small screen. I really wish they'd do away with the physical home button as well.

I'm sure ios is better but it's remarkable that the iphone design which looked cutting edge a year ago, now seems as stylish as a yugo.

I'm hoping to see a homerun with iphone5.
 
I think this debate is no different than when Nokia was #1. It is now Samsung supplanting them. But what Apple apologists dont realize is Samsung is also taking in record profits. And it is not all "cheap" phones. As of today, Samsung has THREE flagship phones - Galaxy S series, Note series, and whatever Nexus phone Google wants them to make for the Android purists.

You get the Galaxy S III in spring and two more high profile releases in the Note 2 and next Nexus by Fall. The GS3 hit 10M sold in two months. The Note sold 7M and was a niche product. The Dell Streak was DOA and that was the first real phoneblet. You get 2-3 possible exciting announcements from Samsung. You get only one from Apple.

So to say Samsung is like Nokia and profits from only cheap phones is bullcrap. The GS3 gave them record profits. Wait when the Note or future Nexus adds more cash into their bank account. It is like entering a horse race and Samsung has a coupled-entry (GS3 + Note) and another co-owned by them next to Google. It wouldnt matter as much if they werent making profits as the market leader, but the fact is, they are.
 
I think this debate is no different than when Nokia was #1. It is now Samsung supplanting them. But what Apple apologists dont realize is Samsung is also taking in record profits. And it is not all "cheap" phones. As of today, Samsung has THREE flagship phones - Galaxy S series, Note series, and whatever Nexus phone Google wants them to make for the Android purists.

You get the Galaxy S III in spring and two more high profile releases in the Note 2 and next Nexus by Fall. The GS3 hit 10M sold in two months. The Note sold 7M and was a niche product. The Dell Streak was DOA and that was the first real phoneblet. You get 2-3 possible exciting announcements from Samsung. You get only one from Apple.

So to say Samsung is like Nokia and profits from only cheap phones is bullcrap. The GS3 gave them record profits. Wait when the Note or future Nexus adds more cash into their bank account. It is like entering a horse race and Samsung has a coupled-entry (GS3 + Note) and another co-owned by them next to Google. It wouldnt matter as much if they werent making profits as the market leader, but the fact is, they are.

But, but....it's not an iPhone. And the iPhone is the best, even if it's not. :D
 
Not everyone wants to hassle with that. Build your own is strictly for enthusiasts.

what funny is building your own is really easy. I can build my own from the grown to fulling running in say 1.5 hours easy. 2 hours if you are new to it. It really is a pretty easy thing to do.

Now when I build my own computer I would say the total time from start to finish might be 3-4 hours but that mostly because how I do it.
 
If Apple's next phone is as big as the S III I'll stick with my 4s. The carriers and Android OEM's may have convinced many people that a big a** phone is better, but the haven't convinced me. Yuk.

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Honestly, I just want someone to knock Apple down a notch or two, open their eyes and send them back to their roots, where it took real innovation and design if they wanted to make it. I can only hope this is the beginning of that.

What real design are your not seeing from Apple? A 4.5" phone? A $199 7" tablet? Is that what's considered innovation these days?
 
what funny is building your own is really easy. I can build my own from the grown to fulling running in say 1.5 hours easy. 2 hours if you are new to it. It really is a pretty easy thing to do.

Now when I build my own computer I would say the total time from start to finish might be 3-4 hours but that mostly because how I do it.

Yeah except if you want to buy a really quiet computer you have to deal in things like thermal pastes and liquid cooling systems, that's advanced stuff and easy to get wrong.
 
I think that Apple will keep the current size iPhone forever since Steve decided it was the perfect size for everyone.
 
I've yet to meet a Mac user that was dying to go back to Windows.

Some do, mostly for a specific app that currently has no Mac equivalent of similar quality/capability, but do so grudgingly, and then run back to their Mac when the task is done.

That's what VMWare Fusion is for :)
 
Give it another year after Windows 8 has come out on all the form factors, XBox Music, XBox Video, SmartGlass and people will start coming back.
 
Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that what you said was wrong.

That metal makes it perform better? It doesn't. At all.

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Yeah except if you want to buy a really quiet computer you have to deal in things like thermal pastes and liquid cooling systems, that's advanced stuff and easy to get wrong.

Theres a pile of **** Dell Optiplex sitting under my desk at work that acts as a file server, for when I run out of space on my workstation, and don't feel like uploading ****ass of data to the network.

You cant hardly hear it.

Hell, go to best buy or any ****** big box retailer, those crappy 500 dollar towers? You can hardly hear any of them.

A large majority of computers are very very quiet.

Though if you care about how much noise a machine makes, its clear your not a serious user.
 
If Apple's next phone is as big as the S III I'll stick with my 4s. The carriers and Android OEM's may have convinced many people that a big a** phone is better, but the haven't convinced me. Yuk.

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No one convinced *ME* a bigger phone is better other than me. Now using a Skyrocket since Feb - It's very hard to look at the iPhone screen. Not because the screen isn't pretty and has great resolution - but because everything looks tiny.

You're entitled to your opinion of course - but there's little to no real difference in my ability to use, enjoy and pocket my skyrocket.
 
I would love to see a phone with the galaxys3 form factor/screen but with ios/apps. Is that too much to ask for?
 
Yeah except if you want to buy a really quiet computer you have to deal in things like thermal pastes and liquid cooling systems, that's advanced stuff and easy to get wrong.

no you do not. I can and have built a quite AIR cooled system. The stock heat sync and fan do not make much noise. The noise makers are case fans and make sure you do not over load those and buy quite ones and there will be no issues.

My 6 year old desktop is damn quite once I killed the offending fans that just went band and made way to much noise

I have never touch liquid cooling and I have zero interest in doing it.
 
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