Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
No one convinced *ME* a bigger phone is better other than me. Now using a Skyrocket since Feb - It's very hard to look at the iPhone screen. Not because the screen isn't pretty and has great resolution - but because everything looks tiny.

You're entitled to your opinion of course - but there's little to no real difference in my ability to use, enjoy and pocket my skyrocket.

Hey I know lots of people want an iPhone with a bigger screen. But for me I don't need my phone to be a mini tablet. Though I think I could deal with a 4" iPhone. Different strokes for different folks. :)
 
I think that Apple will keep the current size iPhone forever since Steve decided it was the perfect size for everyone.

This. My bro and dad are exactly type that love the big screen. I hate..i tell them, iPhone is the most ergonomic perfect size for our HAND and POCKET. If i want larger screen, i'll take out my iPad. But im sure as heck not gonna jam a 4", 5" piece of plastic crap from samsung into my pocket. Ugly, large, plastic Samsungs can go to my bro and dad, thank you very much. Ill keep my iphone 4 and get another one at cheaper price when the next gen comes out, for safe measure.....

Thanks Steve for puting the smackdown on larger screens. He"s just right.
 
Thanks Steve for puting the smackdown on larger screens. He"s just right.

Until the big screen Iphone comes out, then the Steve would have approved because the tech was now right for larger screens.

Remember that the Steve once said that nobody wanted color or to watch video on handhelds.... The Steve would say anything to denigrate whatever wasn't in the shiny Apple toy that he was selling at the moment.
 
This. My bro and dad are exactly type that love the big screen. I hate..i tell them, iPhone is the most ergonomic perfect size for our HAND and POCKET. If i want larger screen, i'll take out my iPad. But im sure as heck not gonna jam a 4", 5" piece of plastic crap from samsung into my pocket. Ugly, large, plastic Samsungs can go to my bro and dad, thank you very much. Ill keep my iphone 4 and get another one at cheaper price when the next gen comes out, for safe measure.....

Thanks Steve for puting the smackdown on larger screens. He"s just right.

But I was being sarcastic. Just because that's the size Steve liked doesn't mean it's the end all. And if anyone is buying the phone as a tribute to Steve, well I just don't know what to say.
 
But I was being sarcastic. Just because that's the size Steve liked doesn't mean it's the end all. And if anyone is buying the phone as a tribute to Steve, well I just don't know what to say.

I doubt anyone is buying it as a tribute to Steve.
 
Most systems do that already.

I think the first desktops to do it on a consumer level was the AMD Cool N Quiet system, which speeds up and slows down the CPU fan as needed.

PWM fans (4-wire fans) can reliably spin more slowly (and quietly) than traditional voltage-controlled fans.

Traditional fans need a threshold voltage to spin up, and at lower voltages simply don't move. This is one reason why many older systems run the fans full force immediately after powering up, then slow the fans down - they make sure that the fans are spinning before lowering the voltage.

If you understood current fan technology, you wouldn't have commented - PWM fans are the best of current fans (but of course you need motherboards with PWM support).
 
Of all the cell phones I have owned - both smart and dumb - the iPhone, hands down has dropped more calls and had the worst connection issues. That's MY experience. Not everyone's. But there you go.

That being said - the argument that Apple only produces one phone a year while Samsung produces many is, and continues to be mostly irrelevant.

Most people go into a store and buy one phone for themselves. Right now - their biggest choices are iOS or Android. And there are a lot of Android phones. So the fact that Samsung has a great share is great for them. Additionally - since that one person is only buying one phone they make a choice. If Samsung has 1 phone or 20 phones - they are still only buying one. The fact they have more choices doesn't negate the fact they are either buying iOS or Android in this scenario.

Is it impressive that Apple sells so many of ONE phone - yes. But saying that Samsung has a great marketshare because they sell so many is really just saying that Samsung caters to more people with varied tastes.

It could also be saying that Samsung caters to people who cant afford other phones, no? Not that I'm saying the iPhone is a "better" phone, but cheaper things always have higher marketshare don't they?
 
It could also be saying that Samsung caters to people who cant afford other phones, no? Not that I'm saying the iPhone is a "better" phone, but cheaper things always have higher marketshare don't they?

In a scenario where two products are identical in their utility and assuming that the marketing/image/word of mouth promotion are the same, then yes, the cheaper one will have a higher marketshare. Otherwise, it is not true.
 
In a scenario where two products are identical in their utility and assuming that the marketing/image/word of mouth promotion are the same, then yes, the cheaper one will have a higher marketshare. Otherwise, it is not true.

Well then it's true in this case lol. Samsung makes a ton of phones, many of which are cheaper then the iPhone, so it's not surprising that they have higher marketshare.

Marketshare != better quality. Neither does sales. Meaning just because iPhone has better sales then any other phone doesn't automatically mean it's the best phone, either.
 
Until the big screen Iphone comes out, then the Steve would have approved because the tech was now right for larger screens.

Remember that the Steve once said that nobody wanted color or to watch video on handhelds.... The Steve would say anything to denigrate whatever wasn't in the shiny Apple toy that he was selling at the moment.

come on do not go on with those little fact.

Up until the day SJ announce intel switch he and Apple went on and on how x86 sucks and PPC was the best choice. Day after Intel rules, PPC sucks, x86 is the best choice ever.

Simple truth to the matter what SJ said is worth less than the stuff that I flush down the pot. SJ was a marketing guy threw and threw and he was damn good at it. as such most of the stuff he said was marketing speak. Problem is to many people take marketing speak as the truth. Goes double for the marketing speak out of his mouth.
 
It could also be saying that Samsung caters to people who cant afford other phones, no? Not that I'm saying the iPhone is a "better" phone, but cheaper things always have higher marketshare don't they?

Why do people keep saying people can't afford iPhones? You can get them in wide ranges of prices and even minimum wage employees and waitresses have them.

The leading reason people buy cheaper phones than the iPhone and the SIII is because they don't care or see a reason to spend more on one. It's not because they can't afford it. They need a phone and don't really care which phone it is so long as it does what they want at the price they want.

Ever see rich people driving Ford's and Hondas? Same concept. They don't care and are satisfied with a lesser model.
 
come on do not go on with those little fact.

Up until the day SJ announce intel switch he and Apple went on and on how x86 sucks and PPC was the best choice. Day after Intel rules, PPC sucks, x86 is the best choice ever.

Simple truth to the matter what SJ said is worth less than the stuff that I flush down the pot. SJ was a marketing guy threw and threw and he was damn good at it. as such most of the stuff he said was marketing speak. Problem is to many people take marketing speak as the truth. Goes double for the marketing speak out of his mouth.

Are you insinuating that Uncle Steve lied to us? :eek:
 
Last edited:
Why do people keep saying people can't afford iPhones? You can get them in wide ranges of prices and even minimum wage employees and waitresses have them.

The leading reason people buy cheaper phones than the iPhone and the SIII is because they don't care or see a reason to spend more on one. It's not because they can't afford it. They need a phone and don't really care which phone it is so long as it does what they want at the price they want.

Ever see rich people driving Ford's and Hondas? Same concept. They don't care and are satisfied with a lesser model.

oh no i was just using the example that people give. i don't buy into the apple is so overpriced crap either.

my point was if you have many different models at many different prices, you're always going to have greater marketshare. i can't think of one example that proves otherwise.

what samsung did in the 2Q is damn impressive. anyone who says its not is lying. but on the same token, what apple did is just as impressive. anyone who says its not is lying.
 
I wonder how much of these sales are actually due to the Galaxy S III and not due to crap countless "smartphone" models Samsung pushes out where the sole use is probably light texting and phone calls. Almost the exact opposite of what a true smartphone does, like an iPhone - Heavy messaging/texting, heavy internet usage, light calling.

I don't really know why people are saying Apple is being lazy either or that their designs look outdated? Do they look similar to previous versions - yes, but do they look outdated, I don't think so. It's still a great design, sleek, pretty, etc. The Samsung and droid phones for the most part are ugly piece of crap plastic phones that look like they were produced shortly after palm pilots in 2003.

Additionally, the iPhone 5 will greatly improve marketshare. I know countless people who have droids or blackberry's (I know right... who even has a blackberry anymore) that are waiting until October to upgrade for the iPhone 5. Alongside the millions of iPhone 4 owners coming off contract (loyal iPhone users), sales will be phenomenal for the iPhone 5.
 
I wonder how much of these sales are actually due to the Galaxy S III and not due to crap countless "smartphone" models Samsung pushes out where the sole use is probably light texting and phone calls. Almost the exact opposite of what a true smartphone does, like an iPhone - Heavy messaging/texting, heavy internet usage, light calling.

I don't really know why people are saying Apple is being lazy either or that their designs look outdated? Do they look similar to previous versions - yes, but do they look outdated, I don't think so. It's still a great design, sleek, pretty, etc. The Samsung and droid phones for the most part are ugly piece of crap plastic phones that look like they were produced shortly after palm pilots in 2003.

Additionally, the iPhone 5 will greatly improve marketshare. I know countless people who have droids or blackberry's (I know right... who even has a blackberry anymore) that are waiting until October to upgrade for the iPhone 5. Alongside the millions of iPhone 4 owners coming off contract (loyal iPhone users), sales will be phenomenal for the iPhone 5.

well the s3 supposedly shipped 10 million units. so definitely an impressive figure. also, the older android phones were plastic pieces of crap, but the new high end ones actually look pretty good (but yes, there are still plenty of plastic pieces of crap out there).

i agree 100% about the iPhone5 having an until now unforeseen number of sales. it's going to be crazy. of course when that happens, people will just say it was expected since it was a new phone. apple can never win with those who want to talk ill of them every chance they get!
 
I wonder how much of these sales are actually due to the Galaxy S III and not due to crap countless "smartphone" models Samsung pushes out where the sole use is probably light texting and phone calls. Almost the exact opposite of what a true smartphone does, like an iPhone - Heavy messaging/texting, heavy internet usage, light calling.

I wasn't aware that a phone sent texts, made calls or used the internet on it's own. Or perhaps you meant what the purchaser uses the phone for? As for the rest of your comments, I'll just sit here and laugh at such a ludicrous statement.
 
If Apple's next phone is as big as the S III I'll stick with my 4s. The carriers and Android OEM's may have convinced many people that a big a** phone is better, but the haven't convinced me. Yuk.

No one convinced me I want a larger screen. I just want one. It's me convincing myself. I have a desire for a larger screen.
 
You need to realize, Macs use pretty much everything a PC does. The only reason you buy a Mac is because you like OSX, or you think it looks cool. I bought my latest 2011 iMac because well, I have lots of disposable income. And I wanted a cool looking living room machine.

It used to be Macs, were just plain awesome machines.

Apple has better engineering. Why spend 350$ on an ASUS Motherboard when you can spend 20$ on a MSI board? It's the same thing, but not.

Just like there are higher quality tiers of computer brands, there are also higher quality tiers within brands, and within part vendors.

Do you really think that Apple would build their systems with anything that doesn't exceed the engineering specifications and then stuff it in a tiny MacMini box or effectively sealed iMac? There is a reason why we don't see the low quality parts nor the enthusiast level parts in Apple hardware. They don't fit the engineering.

So back to Samsung, do you really think Samsung Electronics gives half a care about engineering? No. They only care about selling product. The carriers end up being the losers in the long run, when they promote a poorly engineered product and have to eat the cost when subscribers churn.

Go read some of the of the wall street peoples blogs. All they care about is number of devices being sold as well. These are the same people who talked Apple into licencing Apple OS to cloners and instead of getting more market share of the OS, it just made Apple lose market share. We're not going to see a repeat of this.

Apple wants to sell great products, not cheap throw away products. Apple makes more money this way.
 
i agree 100% about the iPhone5 having an until now unforeseen number of sales. it's going to be crazy. of course when that happens, people will just say it was expected since it was a new phone. apple can never win with those who want to talk ill of them every chance they get!

So, the people that have said in this same thread that Apple hasn't sold so many iPhones because people is waiting to October is people that want to talk ill?

----------

Apple has better engineering. Why spend 350$ on an ASUS Motherboard when you can spend 20$ on a MSI board? It's the same thing, but not.

Just like there are higher quality tiers of computer brands, there are also higher quality tiers within brands, and within part vendors.

Do you really think that Apple would build their systems with anything that doesn't exceed the engineering specifications and then stuff it in a tiny MacMini box or effectively sealed iMac?

Looking at the Macbook white problems, the ****** Matshita optical drives and other problems I wouldn't bet that they are so much better engineered
 
There's trolling on both sides. Negative votes don't help or change that. Just ignore the trolls, you know, as in "Don't feed the trolls".

Negative votes feed them. There is no reason to bring back down votes except for people wanting to be passive agressive against things they don't understand or have the courage to either ignore or comment on.

Ultimately, you are correct. The best solution is to not feed the trolls so they get bored and go away.
 
Additionally, the iPhone 5 will greatly improve marketshare. I know countless people who have droids or blackberry's (I know right... who even has a blackberry anymore) that are waiting until October to upgrade for the iPhone 5. Alongside the millions of iPhone 4 owners coming off contract (loyal iPhone users), sales will be phenomenal for the iPhone 5.

If that phone actually is really the two-toned piece of ugly with that weird screen size - well then be prepared for a bloodbath.

I personally played the waiting game - and then decided to pull the trigger and get the SGIII. Everyone and their mother (including my not so tech-savvy and since the original generation iPhone using wife) looks at the phone, loves that gorgeous big screen (Pentile-stupid-nerd-bitching my ass), plays around with it and admires the Android evolution.

The nerds they will wait what Windows Phone 8 has to offer - especially with HTC having announced flagship multicore Windows phones on par with the HTC One series being available at launch.

So basically the target group will be reduced to the fashion statement wannabe hipsters. And given the fact that (at least here in Germany) iPhones are now a pretty much ridiculed gadget...well...go figure.

----------

Do you really think that Apple would build their systems with anything that doesn't exceed the engineering specifications and then stuff it in a tiny MacMini box or effectively sealed iMac? There is a reason why we don't see the low quality parts nor the enthusiast level parts in Apple hardware. They don't fit the engineering.
<snip>
Apple wants to sell great products, not cheap throw away products. Apple makes more money this way.

The pre-Intel Apple may have had pushed the higher-quality envelope but actually the current Apple builds the same crap as everyone else. My 2003 G4 Powerbook still works great (despite the dying battery) - yet every other Apple computer I bought since then had hardware failures (seven Macs and counting).

And if it's not for hardware failures then Apple uses planned obsolescence its complete hardware range. So actually they are enforcing a throw-away mentality even in computers!
 
This. My bro and dad are exactly type that love the big screen. I hate..i tell them, iPhone is the most ergonomic perfect size for our HAND and POCKET. If i want larger screen, i'll take out my iPad. But im sure as heck not gonna jam a 4", 5" piece of plastic crap from samsung into my pocket. Ugly, large, plastic Samsungs can go to my bro and dad, thank you very much. Ill keep my iphone 4 and get another one at cheaper price when the next gen comes out, for safe measure.....

Thanks Steve for puting the smackdown on larger screens. He"s just right.

Just because you have child sized hands doesn't mean the rest of us do. There's a difference between "cheap" and "cheap", there is "cheap" as in affordable and "cheap" as in compromised quality. Believe it or not, most Samsung phones are the former kind of cheap or simply not "cheap" at all, why don't you try one before you dismiss them?

well the s3 supposedly shipped 10 million units. so definitely an impressive figure. also, the older android phones were plastic pieces of crap, but the new high end ones actually look pretty good (but yes, there are still plenty of plastic pieces of crap out there).

i agree 100% about the iPhone5 having an until now unforeseen number of sales. it's going to be crazy. of course when that happens, people will just say it was expected since it was a new phone. apple can never win with those who want to talk ill of them every chance they get!

Just like Samsung can never win with those who will spin anything in favor of Apple to no end.
 
Apple has better engineering. Why spend 350$ on an ASUS Motherboard when you can spend 20$ on a MSI board? It's the same thing, but not.

Expect Apples logic boards aren't up to the standard that a high end PC motherboard is, at all. But they are better than a 20MSI board.

Just like there are higher quality tiers of computer brands, there are also higher quality tiers within brands, and within part vendors.

Yep, and Apple is a higher priced brand of computers, but they are NOT the best.

Do you really think that Apple would build their systems with anything that doesn't exceed the engineering specifications and then stuff it in a tiny MacMini box or effectively sealed iMac? There is a reason why we don't see the low quality parts nor the enthusiast level parts in Apple hardware. They don't fit the engineering.

Low End parts don't have any place in a computer that expensive, so I'd hope not. As far as true enthusiast and enterprise grade parts go? Apple doesn't use parts up to the same standards. The iMac and Mac mini are pretty woefully underpowered.

So back to Samsung, do you really think Samsung Electronics gives half a care about engineering? No. They only care about selling product. The carriers end up being the losers in the long run, when they promote a poorly engineered product and have to eat the cost when subscribers churn.

I've had 2 Samsung phones in a row, neither of them gave me any problems. I also had a 3GS before I went all Android like, and it never had any problems either. Remeber, these aren't faceless companies. Even Samsung, isn't robots :p Its made up of people, and Samsung makes some great stuff, not just electronics.

Go read some of the of the wall street peoples blogs. All they care about is number of devices being sold as well. These are the same people who talked Apple into licencing Apple OS to cloners and instead of getting more market share of the OS, it just made Apple lose market share. We're not going to see a repeat of this.

Licensing the Mac OS to cloners was a terrible idea, because the clones ended up being better computers than what Apple Was building. FOr less money.

They attempted Microsoft business model, and it failed.

Apple wants to sell great products, not cheap throw away products. Apple makes more money this way.

Ahhh! Which is why your average PC gets supported for what, 10 years? The OS and software tends to get supported for that long to? And Apple dumps users 4-5 years old? And sells old hardware at new hardware prices.

I'm glad I bought my iMac right when the 11s came out. You'd have to be nuts to buy one now.

As far as being so amazing and problem free.

Random Powerbook GPU failures
Random Mac Book Pro GPU failures
iMac G5 logicboard and power suppply failures, as well as bad GPUs, never addressed or fixed by Apple
G5 logic board failures in the towers
G5 tower power supply failures
Water Cooled G5 leaks/overheating
iMac hard drive sensor issues.

Apple products are not immune to problems, at all. Personally my Macs over the years have given me more trouble than my PCs have.

The pre-Intel Apple may have had pushed the higher-quality envelope but actually the current Apple builds the same crap as everyone else. My 2003 G4 Powerbook still works great (despite the dying battery) - yet every other Apple computer I bought since then had hardware failures (seven Macs and counting).

This is totally true, having owned machines pre intel and current machines.

Other than the total disaster that was the G5 series of well anything. Pre Intel machines were better built.

That said, I'm glad they switched to Intel. I love being able to Dual Boot Windows and OSX on my iMac ( yes, theres a windows machine in other rooms of my house, but, im highly lazy ).
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.