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After everything Renzatic and I just discussed, that's your contribution? Oh well, that's why I never bothered to register on this forum. Hehe jokes on me :cool: night interwebz

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Wow, issues? I think I already contribute a little too much around here as it is. Is it wrong that I recognize someone? Jeesh! :rolleyes:
 
Well, that's impossible since crowd-sourcing is the only way to really improve maps. If they'd waited a year it would have been in the same state next year.

As I said in another reply, Apple could have either licensed better data sources or hired contractors to go through the map data and correct obvious errors with the cartography and POIs. Apple customers should not be forced to do that work for them, or to suffer for it. Google didn't start crowd-sourcing until later, and before that it still had better data integrity than what Apple currently has.
 
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Well that makes me feel a little bit better about the crappy map data. I'd rather have turn-by-turn.

Some of us are stuck on older phones that don't support turn-by-turn because of contracts. Also, I'm glad I'm waiting because of all the issues people are reporting. I played with an iPhone 5, and it's nothing special over the iPhone 4.

I would have been happy if Google provided turn-by-turn, but they need people to want an Android over iPhone, and that's one way of doing it. Apple withholds things all the time. For example, iTunes for Windows sucks.
 
It seems to me that this whole map controversy is a little overblown and while I can appreciate Apple's position it does seem that both map apps could have co-existed for a year, or until Apple's got up to speed. I'm guessing that many of us already have other mapping apps on our devices (Mapquest, Motion-X, GPS Plus, etc.) and use which one we prefer. Eventually, the best one wins! Nonetheless, in my area Apple's version works pretty good.

Yep! Entire towns MISSING and large areas of countries with clouds over them isn't overblown at all :)

Neither is address's and locations being totally run, or a complete lack/wrong public transit info :)
 
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As I said in another reply, Apple could have either licensed better data sources or hired contractors to go through the map data and correct obvious errors with the cartography and POIs. Apple customers should be forced to do that work for them, or to suffer for it. Google didn't start crowd-sourcing until later, and before that it still had better data integrity than what Apple currently has.

Because you need to attract a crowd to get them sourcing - the main problem for Apple right now is customers supplying editions while angry at the state of the maps app. I'll bet you 40% of all feedback right now is along the lines of "you ****ing retards, why does THIS/THAT happen - your mother...".

People also seem to be running in different directions, even to MapQuest (totally retro) - when Google "comes back on IOS" most will then place Google Maps on their main page and Apple Maos will only be used when people can't avoid it - this means that most usage data goes to Google anyway and it also means that updates mainly will be to the Google backend.

To add insult to injury Apple doesn't even edit anything in Maps but "pass it on" to their sub-providers - one can only imagine how painfully slow this process must be and for the end users it will look like the editions they just made just get ignored - not a very wise way to try and build a community that helps taking care of your fancy new asset.

Google didn't start crowd-sourcing big-time before the tools for submitting and editing were there and were any good - I know there's a lot of Google hate but regarding how to launch a service, Google have some rather extreme experiences that no others have. I don't think Apple have even speculated on whether or not this Maps app will hit OSX or the open web - and the number is very frightening when going head on with Google... there are 10 times more people submitting data to Google Maps than there are iPhone owners.

And people still seems to think it will also be a good idea for Apple to dump Google search while we're at it - Jesus Christ you guys must hate smartphones when you want to make it so dumb.
 
Google will be better off with a tird party app in the app store for people that don't mind using Google services. It wouldn't have been right giving Google even more control over core features of the OS which not all users would have wanted IMO.

That way, I get to use a Google maps app that syncs with my Android devices and Google Maps web searches and other users that are averse to Google's business geting get to steer clear of Google with Apple's solution.

Win/Win IMO. Things will get better.

First really good point in support of what Apple did made so far.

Yeah, honestly, in a way, when I learned that Google wanted something that would help track me more, I kinda liked that Apple did this, but to be fair that's also cause I don't rely on maps too much. There were some things I used it for that I will miss, Google maps was a great search engine for, "Where is there a Home Depot near me" or what ever I was looking for. Or for quick traffic checking (Google had good traffic). But I do like this way it gives me a choice on if I want google tracking me or not. Yes, I realize Apple partly also did this not out of consideration for its users but because it wants their info, but when I buy an Apple product, at least I am more aware they have more access to my info. Which is different than buying an Apple product and also having google have access to your info bagged with it.
 
Yep! Entire towns and large areas of countries with clouds over them isn't overblown at all :)

It'll be overblown if they address most of it in a couple of months. But the missing transit directions is disappointing. However, I always found 3rd party transit maps far better than Google maps.
 
As it stands, the 30 pin adaptor is still thinner than the current iPhone 5. Plus, it offers the structural rigidity to withstand the phone's weight on a dock.

Just cause it looks like it fits from the outside doesn't mean it fits on the inside. The iphone 5 is very packed tightly on the internals. iFixit, a website that would know what it's talking about as that is its business, outright stated there was no way they were going to fit the 30 pin in the iphone 5.

So, sorry, you're wrong (or rather I take their word over yours), it wouldn't fit.
 
It'll be overblown if they address most of it in a couple of months. But the missing transit directions is disappointing. However, I always found 3rd party transit maps far better than Google maps.

Depends which google maps your on, my 4S I was dumb enough to upgrade to iOS6, shoulda left it on iOS5 ( work phone ), Google Maps on my S3 ( personal phone ), blows the Apple Maps out of the water in every category.

If Apple is serious about comparing to Google Android Maps, they NEED to do better.
 
One thing you need to understand about all this is that it isn't ultimately about Apple or Google. It's about their customers. The people that actually buy their phones and use their services.

See, why should I care that the new Maps app benefits Apple in the long run

Because in the long run it WILL benefit the customer. Or stick with Google maps and always have a sub par mapping service with missing features they reserve for their own Android phones.
 
But I'm REALLY glad my iPhone 5 won’t have BOTH a 10-year old dock connector AND a modern, future-proof Lightning connector, making the device bulkier to avoid some fraction of people needing an adapter during the transition time...

Agreed, though I honestly think Apple could have at least provided one free adaptor at least for the first device they decide to change the port with.
 
So here's the thing: Google are on multiple platforms through Android and Browsers, that alone means Google has a larger base updating their maps - let's just say if all iPhone users would update Apple Maps, they would still be outmatched 10:1 by people ACTUALLY updating Google Maps.

In large parts of the world, the iPhone isn't something within reach for that many people, but they can get online and they do use Google and their services - this is why the weirdest places in Africa are stating to pop up. Updating Google Maps is also helped by a very easy and straightforward tool and a very large and local admin hierarchy.

If Google Maps were to arrive and 50% of iPhone users switched to that - well then those 50% will use and update Google Maps and not Apple Maps - that will still sit there getting a little better yes, but at an alarmingly slow rate. The fact? that Apple only did this over turn-by-turn is so much worse because doing this the right way requires a way to activate your large user base - starting by pissing them off is plain dumb. Apple needs to reach out to more users on the web to gain an advantage - they need this to run on OSX and they need to come out with tools and innovations to make this useful and give people an incentive to make editions and updates - this is how crowd-sourcing works and Apple doesn't know **** about it apparently.

It seems Google have just launched a service that helps you navigate inside buildings (Nokia have announced the same some months ago), this is what Apple are facing - fierce competition at a very fast pace. This is also why people saying that this thing will be up to date in a short while are clueless. I really wish this was what would happen - but Apple burned their users this time and it doesn't look like they know how to get out of this mess.

Quoted for truth.

I want Apple to succeed in this, I want their maps to get better (more accurate). I like the 3D function even.

But, I think Apple really does not know how to crowdsource where Google very much does. Hell, it's really Google's specialty. It's their main business. Convincing people to give up info by offering useful stuff people want to use.

Apple has not been good at this, look at Ping for example. Their business is how to sell hardware, which goes against best way to gather info (by giving up free stuff and wanting it on everything, not just your stuff). For example Apple really needs to put out a web app everyone can use and have some enticing stuff on it if they really want to get good crowd sourcing info. They won't do it cause they want to use their app to convince people to buy their hardware. But it's not going to get good if they can't crowdsource (you cannot just pay your way into getting that much data. As some one pointed out in one of these threads, Google maps is better and more to date than any of the mapping services that just gather the data themselves).
 
I'm glad

I'm glad they dumb google map. Even though map is not as good but it'll get better and I'm willing to trade apple map for google map. I don't want to have anything google on the iPhone. I try my best to stay away from google on all of my electronics. I don't use any of google services beside search engine but I'm moving to bing now even though it'll take me 30 seconds more to look through the search result but I feel better.
 
I'm certainly disappointed in Apple Maps. I want the maps to look like they are hand drawn and illuminated on velum with an occasional "There Be Dragons Here" thrown in for good measure.
 
Or they could just use the standard micro USB but then they wouldn't have a proprietary cord to sell to people....at a premium price.


I like Apple products but they do one heck of a job nickel and diming people to death while creating the hype for people not to call them out on it. It's quite brilliant, actually.

The price is the same as the current cable. And micro USB blows. I hate connecting anything that uses it and mini USB is worse.
 
so sum it up what Apple wanted was navigation but was not willing to give anything in return. Sorry Apple you want stuff you have to pay for it.

And who can blame Google for not wanting greater control. The map app sucked plane and simple and it was Apple job to updated. Something they failed to do.

I certainly don't blame Apple for not letting Google take control anymore for how it wants its maps designed.

If Google won't give Apple the features it needs or wants, then kick em to the curb.
 
I certainly don't blame Apple for not letting Google take control anymore for how it wants its maps designed.

If Google won't give Apple the features it needs or wants, then kick em to the curb.

BS, the app was apple google only provided the data.

And google offered turn by turn years ago, apple refused wanting customers to rather buy the navigation apps(and take the 30% instead of having to pay google ). As with all mayor companies apple is guided by profit and nothing else.
 
Apple should have made a separate "navigation" app and kept google maps if people didn't like it if the whole "google had one more year left on the contract" thing
 
BS, the app was apple google only provided the data.

And google offered turn by turn years ago, apple refused wanting customers to rather buy the navigation apps(and take the 30% instead of having to pay google ). As with all mayor companies apple is guided by profit and nothing else.

This seems to conflict with the stories currently running on the subject.
 
Funny how everyone in the industry tries to work together, except Apple, who are more interested in breaking all ties.
 
Funny how everyone in the industry tries to work together, except Apple, who are more interested in breaking all ties.

I've been in the industry long enough to recognise the symptoms. IBM, then Microsoft got too big for their boots - and tried to tell the world what to do.

The world said no, both those companies are now just ordinary plain companies.

The sooner Apple gets back to just being an ordinary company (making fantastic gear) the better.
 
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