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Got a chance to use the new Maps app in the field for the first time today. First thing I noticed, the maps load a lot faster. As in, much, much faster. Score one for Apple. Second thing I noticed was that the maps can now be set to rotate with the compass direction. Score two for Apple. Found a place to eat, found a place to fill up. Didn't get directed into the ocean. Haven't seen a problem yet and wonder about all the fuss and bother.
 
Because Apple is many things, but they just can't build Maps just as well as Google. Not even a decent Youtube app before Google did.

If Google can build an OS for mobile devices, Apple can build a mapping infrastructure. Of course, it'll take more time and they'll be in catch up mode for a while.

They really should have released the Apple Maps as a stand alone preview and kept Google Maps around as long as possible while they used their armies of willing users to test out and crowd-source their stuff, leaving Map Kit and stable maps around while doing it.
 
If Google can build an OS for mobile devices, Apple can build a mapping infrastructure. Of course, it'll take more time and they'll be in catch up mode for a while.

They really should have released the Apple Maps as a stand alone preview and kept Google Maps around as long as possible while they used their armies of willing users to test out and crowd-source their stuff, leaving Map Kit and stable maps around while doing it.

+1

Apple had a year to go on contract with Google anyway, why realease their own at such an early stage?

During "this one year left", Apple can be doing what they need to do, "behind closed doors"... Perfecting their own maps app and other Siri-related stuff. While, Google's maps data still worked on IOS

Then when the ne year is up, tmee to update and bring Apples Maps to everyone.. Im not saying hold off on IO 6 by any means... But Apple's Map app should of been a seperate udate. Not ready for 'prime time'

Less fuss.... And Apple knew it
 
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Well, I have checked my neighbourhood in Ottawa and the maps work fine, better than fine, they look great, are accurate and define "neighbourhoods" in correct terms. One restaurant was shown on the wrong side of the street, another had closed and a few other popular restaurants were not there. I corrected the first two and will see how long before they get propagated.

Also visited Cuernavaca, a place in Mexico I visit regularly and a place in the south of France. All looked great, although many good restaurants are missing. Navigation looks fine, but points of interest need populating. Time will heal these faults.

Great start - no worries - faults exaggerated.
 
Don't be evil... right...

Google will give away anything for free (including other peoples intellectual property) as long it drives their ad sales (which turn-by-turn navigation on iOS don't).

I don't mind companies making profits, but please don't think Google is somehow better than all the other companies out there.
 
I love the new turn-by-turn. But Apple does need to step it up. I'm surprised that they'd release it as is given they had a year left with Google to work on it.

There's only so much Apple can do by themselves in a lab. Not to mention the amount of resources they need to dedicate to an effort as ambitious as launching a brand new maps service and having it function well enough for 400 million users on DAY 1. That's a tall order for something as complex as building a mapping service.

They've probably planned this well in advance. That's why it feels like iOS 6 is more of a subtle refinement upgrade, setting the stage for the future. They've done "house cleaning" such as redesigning some of the apps that needed it, polishing a few UI elements that needed it, etc. Launch maps when they can dedicate resources in a quiet upgrade, versus launching maps in a significant update where they can't dedicate as much time and resource into it.

Apple is just one company, they have limited engineering talent just like anyone else and need to plan things wisely. Personally the maps have been fantastic for me for the past several months. I've been using exclusively since Beta 1 and have had nothing but a great experience. Some hiccups, yes, but anyone who expects something like this to be flawless on Day 1 really needs a dose of reality.

Transition pains. Just like anytime Apple throws away a certain technology. There's a vocal group who complain, while the rest of the users move on quietly.
 
Too bad, Latitude integration would've been amazing. It's one of the things I really like about my switch from an iPhone 4S to a Galaxy Nexus.
 
"Don't be evil"

Good one!

It might have been a more considered response upon Apple's part to introduce the new Maps with iOS 6, without canning the existing Google-based version. That way they'd have had a year (the year remaining on their contract) to get the new version up-to-speed. Instead they're dealing with a first-rate cluster****. This is a rare, self-inflicted fiasco.

People would have just kept using GOOGLE Maps, and that wouldn't have helped APPLE improve their 'MAPS' :(

This is the best explanation yet for how Apple got in to this mess. It seems like a good reason for Apple to break ties with Google, and I have faith that very soon... weeks or months, Apple's map app will be very good, even superior to what Google offers. Thanks for the article

No doubt in my mind too, given some time, MAPS will be great!

I think John Gruber laid it out best by showing this as '3 options Apple faced'. When you look at it that way it makes more sense. (Even if you still don't like it.) It was like a band-aid that Apple needed to pull off. They decided to do it quickly. Very painful, but probably better than dragging it out longer.

Definitely the third option was 'the only viable one' for APPLE, and in a way GOOGLE virtually 'pushed' them into that direction, by wanting to retain too much control. Understandable, but not something APPLE would/could tolerate.
 
I would just like some official statement or acknowledgement from Apple that they realize this is a catastrophic problem and what they plan to do and when we can expect to see vast improvements, be it months or years.
 
I can't believe how many people can't grasp why Apple did this. Everyone knows the maps aren't as good right now. Heck, Apple has publicly said as much. They are hiring engineers and working round the clock as we speak to improve.

It boils down to this. If you ever wanted native turn by turn without buying an expensive Garmin/TomTom app, you weren't going to get it via google/iOS. Google is pushing android; Google was holding out for some undisclosed terms that no doubt were burdensome for Apple. I hear comments above that apple needs to "suck it up" and pay. Companies dont just "suck it up" if they are smart. They position themselves such that they are not at the mercy of any single company, especially a direct competitor. Seriously people, this is common sense - no MBA required.

I read a lot of comments about how they dont think Apple will catch up to google and that it's fanboy induced wishful thinking. Well, honestly I do think they will catch up. At some point, you run out of things to map. Sure new roads are built and old roads are torn down. But once 99% of the roads are mapped out, the small small percentage of roads that do change become a LOT easier to maintain. Yes, google has been doing this for 7+ years, but the velocity in which things can be mapped has speed up considerably. Besides more powerful computers, better software, and the like, we all have something that largely didn't exist for google 7 years ago... smart phones. I read today over half the phones out there (in the US at least), are now smart phones. With mobile crowd sourcing, and the instant -convenient- ability to report errors in the map as you encounter them these maps will come up to speed far faster than the 7 years it took Google. This isn't fanboy-ism, this is a fact of technological progress and realities of the mobile landscape today.

I am actually glad Apple did this. It was going to be a painful transition no matter when it happened. And by catching google off guard and forcing users to test and prove out/correct Apples maps, we will be left with a better product quicker. I will go so far as to say something I know will be unpopular here, i hope they don't approve a native google app for a LONG time, a couple years even, so that iOS users continue to help polish the Apple maps. Ignoring the data deficiency, the underlying tech in the maps, the smoothness, the turn by turn, etc is actually more functional and better performing.

My last point is this... is maps really that bad right now? I mean to get from A-B I realize there are some errors. I haven't found any yet, but i hear about some online. I can also understand the lack of transit directions (even though a very small percent of americans are affected by this). But by and large, maps and turn by turn work for me. Its 11/11 for me in the 5 days ive been using it.

Okay, stepping down off the soapbox. I really don't understand all the complaining. I hear the arguments, I just think they are far outweighed by the alternative. But that's the internet for you...
 
In Gruber's list, the smart move would've been #1 -- stay with Google Maps for another year while Apple cleans up their Maps as much as possible.

Well, that's impossible since crowd-sourcing is the only way to really improve maps. If they'd waited a year it would have been in the same state next year.

So since your idea wouldn't work I don't see why Google could have planned on it. After all, they know how hard maps are. You can't tell me that Google would somehow think Apple was better at maps than Google was.

And of course, we saw that that was correct...Apple needs live data just like everyone else. But you want me to believe that Google would think Apple had the ability to magically bypass that step? I don't buy that.

Basically you're arguing that Google should have acted stupidly. I don't think they're stupid and Gruber doesn't think they're stupid. And yet he's the Apple apologist? He gives Google a lot more credit than you do.
 
Don't be evil... right...

Google will give away anything for free (including other peoples intellectual property) as long it drives their ad sales (which turn-by-turn navigation on iOS don't).

I don't mind companies making profits, but please don't think Google is somehow better than all the other companies out there.

I have all iOS products and don't own any android device right now. Having said that, Google does lot more things to advance the world.

You are having trouble finding a restaurant in a major city and you submitted a correction. Let's say you went to a remote place and try to use Apple Maps to navigate around that place, are you expecting some one there to correct Apple Maps. What if there are no iPhone/iPad users in that place.

Google Maps has most detailed Maps in non-defense sector. They are even providing traffic information in third world countries. They have details about ocean, they have details about moon(irrelevant here). iCloud/Find My Phone non-mobile website is still powered by Google.

They have a car which can drive by itself, imagine it using Apple Maps.

Unless there is a non-mobile version of Apple Maps, they cannot depend on crowdsourcing.
 
Don't be evil... right...

Google will give away anything for free (including other peoples intellectual property) as long it drives their ad sales (which turn-by-turn navigation on iOS don't).

I don't mind companies making profits, but please don't think Google is somehow better than all the other companies out there.

Google muzzled a company 4 timer bigger than themselves? Really... get a grip. Apple is as much to blame as Google in this - Don't be evil, fair enough... when Apple stops acting like douches.
 
Some Errors are Software or Network related.....

I have found a couple errors that were not map database related where it either could not find a business (POI) or the location on the map for a given address was not in the correct location. Similar to those expressed in the media. After asking others to verify my findings and they were not able to I tried again and did not have the problem. These errors would have to be software or network related since they were absolutely not map data related or the problem would persist. Of course they could have been "user error" but since I am the user I don't think so.

I expect I am not the only one that has seen these errors and since they are not map data related they should be easier to fix. And depending on how wide spread it could make a huge difference in a short amount of time if corrected.

I recommend you verify this for yourself and not just assume that what you read in the media and on the internet is completely true. Also, don't just assume that map data is incorrect if you do not get the results you expect. It might not be the fault of the underlining map data provided from sources like TomTom.

Of course this does not mean these problems are not serious it just means they are much easier to fix.
 
The problem is the end user, the consumer could give a %^* less about the politics of it all. They just want a map app that doesn't suck. And right now for many users the new map app is worse than what it replaced. All the behind the scenes BS between Apple and Google means nothing to them. I think Jean Louis Gassee had it right when he said Apple should have under promised and over delivered and they did the opposite. I'm not one who believes in the "Steve would never have..." nonsense but I do think he might have introduced maps differently and not oversold it.
 
It seems like a good reason for Apple to break ties with Google, and I have faith that very soon... weeks or months, Apple's map app will be very good, even superior to what Google offers.

ROFLMAO! Sure, a few weeks and Apple will have a better map service than Google. Methinks it will be a bit longer than that, and that's just to get a functional map app. Google is years ahead of Apple. And as long as they don't fall over and play dead, it won't be too hard for them to stay ahead.
 
The problem is the end user, the consumer could give a %^* less about the politics of it all. They just want a map app that doesn't suck. And right now for many users the new map app is worse than what it replaced. All the behind the scenes BS between Apple and Google means nothing to them. I think Jean Louis Gassee had it right when he said Apple should have under promised and over delivered and they did the opposite. I'm not one who believes in the "Steve would never have..." nonsense but I do think he might have introduced maps differently and not oversold it.

This - and the Ive quote (your signature)...
 
And then, I had directions before, now I don't. They don't work in my city, but they did before; it makes turn-by-turn is irrelevant.

I'll be downloading google's solution when and if it becomes available, unless Apple fixes directions for me before.

It's funny; my mother's iPhone 2 -without iOS 6, has directions, while my iPhone 4 -with the newest OS- doesn't.
 
So what I read in that article is that Google didn't withhold anything based on the original agreement that Apple signed up for.

Google went ahead and created new aspects to their product and if Apple wanted those new features, they had to re-negotiate.

Google had something Apple wanted but Apple didn't like the terms. So Apple kicked off their own project.

Neither company is good, bad, evil, etc in this scenario. Neither company "owed" the other anything.
 
I guess we all failed to remember that when google maps first came out , it was garbage. Cut apple some slack , sure the new maps isn't great , incomparable to google maps , but i'm sure it'll get there.

You can't continue using this excuse. When Google first started their mapping initiative they didn't have a fraction of the resources available to Apple today. Fortunately for me Apple maps isn't too bad around my area but then again I don't need it in my area. I have seen all the screenshots and mistakes posted all around the web, so I know it's a real issue. Apple could have done this differently even if they had to wait a few months or until iOS 7.
 
You can't continue using this excuse. When Google first started their mapping initiative they didn't have a fraction of the resources available to Apple today. Fortunately for me Apple maps isn't too bad around my area but then again I don't need it in my area. I have seen all the screenshots and mistakes posted all around the web, so I know it's a real issue. Apple could have done this differently even if they had to wait a few months or until iOS 7.

Exactly. It's a BS rationalization. Especially because there's little to no reason to compare maps from 7 or so years ago to today. Are these people saying it's ok to regress 7 years?
 
I don't want my phone slowly turning into an Android. Thank god that Apple pulled away to do things their way. Apple map looks a lot sexier and cleaner than google maps. Give it time and I am sure it will be a lot better. Turn by turn navigation works really well for me and the way apple implemented into iOS is drop dead gorgeous. Doesn't feel cheap and bloated like other other phones.

Agreed.

And it doesn't surprise me that Google being evil led to a rift that got GMAPs booted from iOS.

Apple made the right choice.
 
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