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It's 2.3 billion - around .8 billion through ASRs and 1.5 billion through open market purchases. One of the Apple spreadsheets I keep tracks share repurchases, and money spent on share repurchases, by quarter.

Shares repurchased doesn't equal the change in outstanding shares because Apple is constantly issuing new issues.
You're correct that they are always issuing a few new shares and the outstanding shares aren't 1:1 for calcing buyback, but 300M off? I think something is wrong in either the data I found or your 2.3B number.

I'll look at the official Apple report when I get more time. You seem to be pretty up to speed on it, but now I'm wondering.
 
You're correct that they are always issuing a few new shares and the outstanding shares aren't 1:1 for calcing buyback, but 300M off? I think something is wrong in either the data I found or your 2.3B number.

I'll look at the official Apple report when I get more time. You seem to be pretty up to speed on it, but now I'm wondering.

I don't think you'll find a number from Apple for how many shares have been repurchased. But you can compile that number from information contained in its 10-Qs and 10-Ks over the last 7 years.

The drop in outstanding share count from the end of FY 2012 through the end of Q3 FY 2019 was 2.043 billion. During that time Apple repurchased 2.327 billion shares. (That doesn't count net share settlement done for tax withholding.) So, yeah, that suggests new share issuance of about 284 million.

That seems about right to me considering that Apple has had RSUs vesting at a rate of around 30 million per year, net of those withheld for tax purposes. There'd be another 5 million or so per year issued for the employee stock purchase plan.

At the current stock price Apple would need to spend around $10 billion a year on stock repurchases (and net share settlement) just to offset the dilution from stock-based compensation and keep the outstanding share count steady.
 
I own zero Apple stock so I don't care. I'm a consumer. I buy their products. Specifically, I'm a multimedia designer and video editor. I own a 2013 Mac Pro. I also own an Apple TV. And my family has iPhone 7s.

On the Mac front, I'm done with Macs. After over 20 years of buying Macs, I'm done. My 16-year old son worked at Sonic over the summer and saved up money to "build a gaming PC." He really wanted a Windows PC after years of me saying we are a Mac house and I would never buy OR SUPPORT a Windows PC in my house. He saved up $1,200, working outside in the summer. We ordered the components from Amazon - Ryzen processor, nVidia GTX 2060 GPU, Samsung 2 TB SSD, 16 gigs RAM, motherboard, power supply, case. We watched YouTube videos and read the motherboard manuals on how to build it (connecting the front panel connectors of the case to the mobo was the most difficult part, but easy now that I've done it).

I installed Windows 10 from USB thumb I bought from Amazon. It was a 2-year old Windows 10 so it had to update for 2 hours to get current. But it worked fine.

My experience with Windows in the 90s was not the same as Windows 10 in 2019. No DLL errors. No REGISTRY FIXER.

Is it as good as OS X? No. But the question is this - is OS X so good it's worth $6K for the new low-end Mac Pro? Not in my opinion. No. Windows 10 is good enough with a Quick View utility (Seer) and editing the Registry to have RECENT FOLDERS in Quick Access.

So my last Mac was the MacBook Pro I bought my wife in 2015(ish). It was the model right before the USB C TOUCHBAR model. My wife wanted USB and an SD CARD SLOT so we went out and got the older Macbook Pro model before they were gone. Apple is idiotic with their hardware choices, IMHO.

I do like Apple TV. I hate the remote.

I do like the iPhone 7 we all have. But I don't like the notch in the screen of the latest iPhones. It's annoying. I also want a tactile home button. I already think there are too many gestures on the iPhone screen. But, I haven't used an iPhone X or 11 so I have no real-world experience without the home button.

Honestly, I think my hardware purchases in the future will be:
1. Custom multimedia/video editing Windows PC for me with CUDA and DaVinci Resolve
2. Playstation 5
3. OLED 4K TV and Apple TV 4K (we are still 1080P)
4. Open minded on the phone...

TLDR:
Is randomly trying to compare a wimpy $1200 garage built budget gaming PC to the upcoming Mac Pro release... the rest is meandering, I guess meant to vaguely support that? I dunno... fell asleep twice somewhere between paragraphs 13-17.
 
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Why? We have plenty of users who don’t own Apple devices yet still regularly post telling us so, and pointing out all the flaws in Apple.

if you don’t use Apple products, why do you care about “all the flaws” in Apple products? Too much free time in your life? 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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I don't think you'll find a number from Apple for how many shares have been repurchased. But you can compile that number from information contained in its 10-Qs and 10-Ks over the last 7 years.

The drop in outstanding share count from the end of FY 2012 through the end of Q3 FY 2019 was 2.043 billion. During that time Apple repurchased 2.327 billion shares. (That doesn't count net share settlement done for tax withholding.) So, yeah, that suggests new share issuance of about 284 million.

That seems about right to me considering that Apple has had RSUs vesting at a rate of around 30 million per year, net of those withheld for tax purposes. There'd be another 5 million or so per year issued for the employee stock purchase plan.

At the current stock price Apple would need to spend around $10 billion a year on stock repurchases (and net share settlement) just to offset the dilution from stock-based compensation and keep the outstanding share count steady.
That’s what I’m going to look at later.
 
The shareholder aspect is a curious mental analomy that seems unique to Apple followers.

If you went on a BMW forum and said "wow Bugatti just made a great new transmission system" you wouldn't hear "yeah well BMW has more market share of executive cars so Bugatti is trash GTFO not interested go buy another car if you don't think BMW and their CEO are perfect".

This couldn’t be more wrong about Apple users, showing you don’t have any clue about the subject. First, no one cares about “market share”. Second, there is currently no ”Bugatti” to Apple ”BMW”.
The sentiment you described more suit to Android’s that like to go on and on about market share superiority and ridicule Apple “Bugatti” mentality. Are you sure you didn’t intend to post this on Android forum and posted in the wrong place?
 
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The shareholder aspect is a curious mental analomy that seems unique to Apple followers.

If you went on a BMW forum and said "wow Bugatti just made a great new transmission system" you wouldn't hear "yeah well BMW has more market share of executive cars so Bugatti is trash GTFO not interested go buy another car if you don't think BMW and their CEO are perfect".
That's because the analogy doesn't hold up at all (which is what makes effective analogies so hard to craft in real life), and your criticism often tends to be an oversimplification of the point we are trying to make overall.

The corollary to your example is if an Android user came onto this forum and went about dumping on the iPhone, citing how much more useful or powerful his Samsung phone was by listing off a whole laundry list of specs, and someone like myself retorted that the iPhone has more market share (not wrong, if we compared iPhone to sales of a specific Samsung phone) or profits overall.

I personally maintain that to each their own, but nonetheless, if it's a fight they want, it's a fight they will get.

Rather, the fallacy we are trying to correct is the assertion that just because Apple hasn't made the device *you* or some other poster on this forum wants or likes, doesn't mean that Apple has stopped innovating or that it is doomed. It just means that Apple hasn't made the phone with the features that you want. This doesn't mean that nobody wants or likes the version of the iPhone has put out, or that Apple will necessarily fail as a result.

The thing here is that innovation means different things to different people. Each of us wants / expects different things from Apple, and Apple clearly isn't able to cater to the needs of every single customer on earth. I can cite the Apple Watch and AirPods and the U1 chip as examples that Apple is still putting out innovative products and how they are setting the stage for further innovations down the road. Someone else will raise the fact that Apple hasn't put out a folding phone or that the latest iPhone lacks reverse wireless charging as a counterpoint.

And the observation is that for all the crap that was poured on products like the iPhone XR for its substandard display, or the AirPods for being expensive or "looking weird", consumers still love them (and bought them) by and large. Which makes me wonder why so much weight is being given to the words of a vocal minority here on this forum, especially when their sentiments don't seem representative of what's actually happening on the ground (which has been my observation thus far - the critics here seem to still be largely living in the 2000s Steve-Jobs-era bubble, while Apple, and the rest of the world, have moved on).

There is not going to be a single definitive authority who can give the final word on whether Apple is still innovating or not. Which leaves their profits as perhaps the next best indicator. Logic dictates that if people don't like Apple products, they won't buy them. And although iPhone sales have cooled due to a maturing premium market, Apple is still able to sell tens of millions of them every quarter, has introduced new measures like the annual upgrade programme to help push sales, and switched to services to offset falling margins and iPhone sales.

I get that talks of profits isn't sexy, and maybe it can be aggravating to see Apple doing well even as your MacBook Pro keyboard gets jammed and you have to get it replaced for the umpteenth time in a row. But has it occured to you or anyone else like yourself that perhaps the simple truth is that Apple is simply innovating in a direction that you don't like, and that they are no longer creating products that suit your needs, that perhaps it's simply time for you to move on, and that it's really nobody's fault in this scenario?

Because if I were to keep frequenting a French restaurant, only to keep complaining nonstop about how it doesn't serve Japanese cuisine, then past a certain point, I am the problem, not them.
 
The price of Apple's stock price is only where it is at today due to profit margins. These profit margins and sales numbers would not have been possible had the iPhones been made in the US. Stock price is based on sales, earnings, profits, etc.. Half the credit goes to China for that.

 
since when has Apple an iPhone production?
You statement shows your lack of knowledge

The lack is in your understanding of the english language, it’s not Apple production, is the production of iPhones. It’s what “its” refer to, and yes, it’s proper English.
 
Right. A dude who writes over 5,000 posts on MacRumors is a Wolf of Wall Street.
Nothing about what I said is any high level information or the mark of a genius trader. Never claimed to be. I have been 100% right on Apple, however, partly because I know the company and post here as part of my homework on the stock.

Read more of my posts...you might learn something. I actually use some facts.

I think a number of posters have some experience and knowledge in understanding the financial and investing side of Apple. It has helped them make decisions on investing in Apple. I’d say if you’ve made 5-7 figure money in AAPL, you had some idea of what you were doing.
 
Speaking of knowing what you’re doing, here’s a quick analysis of what Apple did in buying back stock during the April-June 2019 quarter, quoted from their 10K filing for that period.

Apple bought back 87.8M shares at avg. share price of $193.13, spending $16.96B to do so.

At Friday’s close of $236.21, those 87.8M shares are now worth $20.73B, a difference of $3.76B or 22.2% gain.

Apple bets on itself when buying back shares. Coincidentally, the 22.2% gain is about the same net overall margin Apple reports. I think Apple knows what it’s doing with the buybacks.

Think about the number of shares they bought back during the Jan-Mar 2019 quarter and Oct-Dec 2018 quarter.
 
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Q1-Q2 2019 buybacks for 6 months
164.7M shares for $32.2B @ $195.51

10/12/19 value of those shares $39.54B, difference of $7.34B, about 22.8% gain.
 
No, it points out how utterly wrong people can be. Is another interpretation.

My interpretation is that people are mental from both camps. There isn’t a right or wrong here. Objectively, the financial sheets are the only concrete data (albeit reactionary) one can access, but if you aren’t naive, you’d know that is just one piece of data.

You have people that will use profits (or lack thereof) as a rationale for why Apple products are good/bad. You can sell a lot of products even if it’s bad, and you can sell very few products even if it’s good.

At the end of day, this is just one argument for making people feel better about their choices.
 
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The price of Apple's stock price is only where it is at today due to profit margins. These profit margins and sales numbers would not have been possible had the iPhones been made in the US. Stock price is based on sales, earnings, profits, etc.. Half the credit goes to China for that.

We know Apple’s gross margins, so these posts are totally meaningless.

Apple makes nothing close to the margins on hardware these silly bill of materials analyses indicate.
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I don't think you'll find a number from Apple for how many shares have been repurchased. But you can compile that number from information contained in its 10-Qs and 10-Ks over the last 7 years.

The drop in outstanding share count from the end of FY 2012 through the end of Q3 FY 2019 was 2.043 billion. During that time Apple repurchased 2.327 billion shares. (That doesn't count net share settlement done for tax withholding.) So, yeah, that suggests new share issuance of about 284 million.

That seems about right to me considering that Apple has had RSUs vesting at a rate of around 30 million per year, net of those withheld for tax purposes. There'd be another 5 million or so per year issued for the employee stock purchase plan.

At the current stock price Apple would need to spend around $10 billion a year on stock repurchases (and net share settlement) just to offset the dilution from stock-based compensation and keep the outstanding share count steady.
I looked at it a bit and found Apple provides this information buts it’s far too piecemeal and would take too long to compile. My sense is 2.327B shares is high, but I can’t verify it without some more work. I can definitively find the dollars spent, but they make shares a little harder to compile over many years.
 
My interpretation is that people are mistaken from both camps. There isn’t a right or wrong here. Objectively, the financial sheets are the only concrete data (albeit reactionary) one can access, but if you aren’t naive, you’d know that is just one piece of data.

You have people that will use profits (or lack thereof) as a rationale for why Apple products are good/bad. You can sell a lot of products even if it’s bad, and you can sell very few products even if it’s good.

At the end of day, this is just one argument for making people feel better about their choices.
I don't see people rationalizing that they made a good choice because the stock is high and therefore apple sells good products.

Good and bad are subjective. However, the iphone 11 has been getting accolades, Apple has been getting customer service awards, etc. So it lends credence the (at least some of the) products Apple produces are good. People like them, they are popular and that is reflected in the balance sheet.

But at the end of the day, if you are of the opinion that products that Apple produces are crap, that is your opinion. Whether one believes they are good, bad innovative or not, they are at a minimum popular.

With hundreds of millions of customers, plenty of investors and lots of critics, there are sure to be varied opinions.
 
I don't see people rationalizing that they made a good choice because the stock is high and therefore apple sells good products.

Good and bad are subjective. However, the iphone 11 has been getting accolades, Apple has been getting customer service awards, etc. So it lends credence the (at least some of the) products Apple produces are good. People like them, they are popular and that is reflected in the balance sheet.

But at the end of the day, if you are of the opinion that products that Apple produces are crap, that is your opinion. Whether one believes they are good, bad innovative or not, they are at a minimum popular.

With hundreds of millions of customers, plenty of investors and lots of critics, there are sure to be varied opinions.

You don’t see people rationalizing share price and market cap as a reason the product is good? It’s right in front of your eyes. I can “at” you every time I read one if you want ;)

Regarding accolades, I remember when people were dismissing CR criticisms because they are seen as “unreliable”. But the instant CR gives Apple an accolade, the same people praise.

No one is denying that Apple products aren’t popular (in the US).
 
You don’t see people rationalizing share price and market cap as a reason the product is good? It’s right in front of your eyes. I can “at” you every time I read one if you want ;)

Regarding accolades, I remember when people were dismissing CR criticisms because they are seen as “unreliable”. But the instant CR gives Apple an accolade, the same people praise.

No one is denying that Apple products aren’t popular (in the US).
Apple produces premium products, to deny that their premium products are at least good, means that one is living in an alternative universe.

The question, at least in my mind, was never are apples products good, it's are they better than the competitors?

What's funny about CR is the praise of some of the android offerings and the dismissing of the evaluation of the iphone 11. The same people praise android and dismiss iphone. Pretty funny huh, when the discussion is abstracted to a high level of generalization, how things can be spun.
 
Yeah, what's not adding up is your assessment.





Yes, and that is one of the main reasons I post. I try to point some things out. It's ridiculous that many of the views posted are 180 degrees wrong.

You articulate better than me, but I think we are mostly on the same page in our opinions of AAPL stock. But isn't it obvious to everyone? So many posts over the years. Maybe go back a decade and check my posts back then - it's basically the same theme :)

You mentioned the PE of Microsoft - great example - doesn't that cause anyone else to think about what AAPL PE should be? I mentioned Proctor and Gamble as another comparison.

Do you have a lot of friends and relatives that you tried to tell them that AAPL is the best way to get their money working? I sure do, and only one friend ever really took it to heart and realized it was an obvious buy and hold. He is happy.

My assessment is what a lot of people seem to think about the company...
 
We know Apple’s gross margins, so these posts are totally meaningless.

Apple makes nothing close to the margins on hardware these silly bill of materials analyses indicate.
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I looked at it a bit and found Apple provides this information buts it’s far too piecemeal and would take too long to compile. My sense is 2.327B shares is high, but I can’t verify it without some more work. I can definitively find the dollars spent, but they make shares a little harder to compile over many years.
If they were meaningless they would not be required to submit them. If they were meaningless then Apple's share price would not be climbing to where it is at now if it was not backed by numbers that justified stock price. You think the SEC accepts meaningless numbers from Apple?
 
If they were meaningless they would not be required to submit them. If they were meaningless then Apple's share price would not be climbing to where it is at now if it was not backed by numbers that justified stock price. You think the SEC accepts meaningless numbers from Apple?

You are not making a strong point on this. You are on the borderline of taking things out of context. Of course 38% margins are a nice thing - you want to argue about that or make some point or something else or what?

Do you want to say that Apple iPhones produced in USA will have lower margins? Ok. Got it.
 
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