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Okay. Okay. FOR REALS this time, the iPhone will fail. My faith is in the MacRumors’ groupthink. Based on what expertise? Who knows. But surely, based on price, camera bump, notch, and same boring design, we as a collective know more and better than the folks with the skillsets who work at Apple.

You’re preaching to the choir with me, brother! I feel you like they feel me in Philly, fool... lol.

I mean... all these “serial complainers” should have got the camera shape/bump complaints over with back in 2015 when it 1st became obvious that was the direction they were headed: https://www.dpreview.com/articles/0750456704/apple-buys-camera-technology-company-linx
I chose instead to watch demos of what that tech was capable was, & get excited about seeing it all eventually get folded into their products.... to each their own, I suppose. *shrug*
 
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Last week of my iPhone X AppleCare in October I'll turn it in to have the back glass repaired and a new battery (currently at 84% of max). Should last another year or two with that.

The only reason to upgrade is for the camera enhancement but even those returns are diminishing.
 
People react like that every year, and still the sales grows (unless they rise the price).

Complaints,complaints,complaints then buy... if only people spoke less with theyr mouth / keyboard and more with their wallet....

Still on my 8+ and don't see much reason to upgrade this year. I upgraded every year before that, so there you have it.
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Just buy the iPhone 8 Plus in October when they drop in price. You'll be happy with it.

Love my 8+ with Qualcomm modem, home button, Touch ID, 1920x1080, 16x9 (so I can reach all the icons with one hand), no notch...
 
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I'm a bit tempted to upgrade from my 6s for a bigger screen, but I think I'll wait for more features like 5G and 120 Hz.
Is 5G coming to you, though? I’m on AT&T and they aren’t going to be anywhere near me even in 2020. There’s vast swaths of my commute where they barely have 4G. I live semi rural but I’m adjacent to major metropolitan areas and they aren’t close to getting 5G yet either. I don’t even think Verizon is here yet. I’m guessing I’m about 3 years from seeing 5G at all. And when it does get here I hate to think what they’re going to charge for it. I think for Verizon customers it’s an extra $10 a month.

I also use Android phones, so I had the option of getting a 5G Samsung. I shrugged it off because right now it looks like the 5G radio is also a battery hog. I imagine they’ll refine that each year but it’s where we are at now with the technology.

I know the 5G phones are coming from Apple but if I were coming from a 6s I don’t know that I’d wait for that feature alone, seeing as how it might be another 3 years before it’s really appealing. 120 hz might be worth waiting for, though.
 
The market is so saturated and I am sure there is a surplus stock of existing models that haven’t been sold going into the new production. With 5G version coming next year, unless your phone is too old, lost, broken, I hardly see any reason to upgrade unless you are YouTuber, OCD about collecting all versions of the iPhone to add to your collection.
*cough* everythingapplepro *cough*

5G won’t thrive in 2020. I will wait until 2025 to see how good 5G truly is.
 
I'm a bit tempted to upgrade from my 6s for a bigger screen, but I think I'll wait for more features like 5G and 120 Hz.

If you can live without the headphone jack, the 8+ would be a significant upgrade under the hood (available right now), and then you could hang in there until 2020 or whenever Apple makes Qualcomm modems available again. Qualcomm vs Intel, and choosing the best carrier for your area, would make a bigger real world difference than the hope of spotty 5G sometime in the future.
 
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Iphone lost the craze it used to have. I don't think people will be willing to upgrade till 5G enabled iPhones are available in the market.
The smartphone, in general, has lost its craze. The smartphone market matured very fast.
 
Total crap. Apple will never sell more than about 40M iPhones per quarter in this saturated smartphone market and with such outrageous iPhone prices. The only consumers buying smartphones in quantity will be in India and Africa but they'll be paying around $100 to $200 which leaves the iPhone out in the cold. Apple could have killed the competition but chose high profits instead of growing a bit more market share percentage. Apple has pretty much surrendered the iPhone business to Android smartphone manufacturers.

Ideally in India people will be paying around $150-$400. $100-200 is not hot market anymore as flagship killers are dominating the market and people are saving a bit more to get flagship killers retailing at $400
 
iOS is nowhere near as good as MacOS.

Technology prices should generally always decrease year on year not increase, as production/manufacturing etc gets more efficient. So in theory the iPhones this year should decrease in price since they are more or less identical bar a processor bump and an extra camera.

I really hope sales drop by like 20 million. It’s time they were kicked into touch.
For what the vast majority of average computing users use their laptops / desktops for, iOS is every bit as good as macOS if not more so since your iPhone can go everywhere you go and be connected all the time.
 
Just buy the iPhone 8 Plus in October when they drop in price. You'll be happy with it.

I am hoping that Apple just discontinues TouchID iPhones all together tbh, the fragmentation is nonsensical. While they are at it do the same for iPads and introduce it to Mac.

We all know FaceID is the successor, so why carry it on the home button. If future iPhones offer it under display then great, if not time to put it to sleep.
 
People react like that every year, and still the sales grows (unless they rise the price).

Complaints,complaints,complaints then buy... if only people spoke less with theyr mouth / keyboard and more with their wallet....

Sales are NOT growing every year, Apple was just fined by Samsung for not selling enough iPhones (and thus not buying enough parts as per contract), they also stopped giving sales figures a few years ago for that reason and used the term "peak iPhone" themselves indicating sales are actually declining.

I do not know what you mean with "speaking more with their wallets" that seems very cynical and inappropriate, I am a tech fanatic and I understand many people cannot justify paying more than $1100 dollars (after tax) for a phone with few enticing features, there is nothing wrong with that.
 
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My interpretation. Some macrumors forum posters claim they will jump ship. My prediction: the masses won’t care as they aren’t as nit-picky.

Well, if Apple is not as "nit-picky" with industrial design anymore and people is not as nit-picky for design details... then why pay an "Apple Tax" for a device that in the end is made for the "not-so-nit-picky?" Where is the difference then? High prices? iOS? Meh...
It's because of these design choices and costs that I switched to a Huawei phone. I wanna like today's Apple, but they are beyond recognition... we are just getting spots here and there of what they used to be, and many here seem to be OK with that.
 
Tim is phoning it in. Apple should've worked on 5G and worked on making the camera NOT ugly again.
 
Well, if Apple is not as "nit-picky" with industrial design anymore and people is not as nit-picky for design details... then why pay an "Apple Tax" for a device that in the end is made for the "not-so-nit-picky?" Where is the difference then? High prices? iOS? Meh...
It's because of these design choices and costs that I switched to a Huawei phone. I wanna like today's Apple, but they are beyond recognition... we are just getting spots here and there of what they used to be, and many here seem to be OK with that.
So you are saying Apple is not-picky? I don’t think that’s the case.

Nit-picky on the forum level is a not a good thing, because anything can be picked upon and criticized.

So I will pay the “Apple tax” Because I like their designs, support, integration and customer service.
 
In the end, nobody really looks at the back of the phone because there's a case on it. I would have hoped, though, that Apple would come up with a more aesthetically pleasing way of doing the cameras.

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I think it is actually 37.5M phones. Pu got his number wrong, as he based it on the amount of *fake* sapphire being produced for the cameras.
 
Way too high. This number will be cut significantly as I do not expect sales to “stabilize”, their design is in a downward spiral and until it improves their marketshare and overall upgrades will continue to freefall, and only more rapidly. 75 million is a fool’s errand pipe dream.
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Wow, the first 15 posts here are all negative one liners about the new iPhone.

So eager to post, but all of them negative?

Anyways - these production rumours probably indicate that Apple is going to sell a lot of new iPhones again - that's what I have to say about it :)

That’s because it’s an atrocious design that will fail on a level never before seen for the company, since maybe the 5C. This will either be a turning point for shareholders, or they will continue to defend Tim Cook and you will be watching the beginning of the slow fall into obscurity for Apple’s marketshare. This design is bad. It will not sell. It really is that simple.
 
I’ll be surprised if Apple doesn’t do something really interesting with triple camera setup. It could help sales. But under Tim Cook anything is possible so it may end up to be just another “3x optical zoom”. Although I hope for more.
 
Nothing really has change besides the lens frame, oled screen and the size is still there. Maybe some work under the hood. I waited until apple offer discount on the xs max i just did not see myself spending 1200 on a phone. i wonder if apple is still going to have the high prices for the new phones come september.
 
That’s because it’s an atrocious design that will fail on a level never before seen for the company, since maybe the 5C. This will either be a turning point for shareholders, or they will continue to defend Tim Cook and you will be watching the beginning of the slow fall into obscurity for Apple’s marketshare. This design is bad. It will not sell. It really is that simple.
I think you greatly overestimate the number of individuals who care about the design of any aspect of the phone, let alone that of the rear camera housing.

It’s pretty much agreed upon, from what I’ve seen, that the iPhone 5c “failed” (however you define that) not because of its design in and of itself — it was still remarkably well-designed and in some aspects I preferred it to the iPhone 5s — but because it was too obviously “the cheap one,” which implicitly discouraged people from buying it. If, hypothetically, both the iPhone 5c and 5s came in brightly colored plastic enclosures, I suspect the end result would have been quite different.
 
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