Apple's Upcoming 5G iPhone Could Be Delayed Due to Coronavirus

[cmaier]

And? I posted a few as well. There is tons of evidence our companies are working on various ways to stop this and the number of cases isn’t high enough to extrapolate mortality.

No, “working on various ways to stop this” is not what you said. You said there are vaccines already in testing and “showing signs” presumably of success. That is utterly and completely false.

As for extrapolating, of course you can. The R0 has been remarkably consistent since the beginning:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I don’t know why you are talking about extrapolating “mortality,” though. That is not the issue. The issue is how contagious it is. The lethality rate has been consistent as well, but even if it decreases, given the consistent R0 of 2-3, even if it ends up 1/10th as lethal as a typical flu it will kill many more people absent extreme measures.

 

[Baymowe335]

No, “working on various ways to stop this” is not what you said. You said there are vaccines already in testing and “showing signs” presumably of success. That is utterly and completely false.

As for extrapolating, of course you can. The R0 has been remarkably consistent since the beginning:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I don’t know why you are talking about extrapolating “mortality,” though. That is not the issue. The issue is how contagious it is. The lethality rate has been consistent as well, but even if it decreases, given the consistent R0 of 2-3, even if it ends up 1/10th as lethal as a typical flu it will kill many more people absent extreme measures.

I posted a vaccine that is recruiting volunteers, a specific drug being tested, and a treatment from Takeda.

My contention is this is not very serious if the mortality rate decreases, which it likely will if it does indeed begin the infect people on any large scale. I’m not the first person who has said this. The denominator is too small to make Any percentages meaningful if it does infect a large number. One of the reasons is common sense. The death rate is based on probably something close to 100% of all people who died, but the infected is likely much higher as infected people are not being reported like dead people.

The flu kills a lot more people every year, and we deal with it. That seems like a reasonable outcome for this too, if it even becomes as common. I don’t see any long term worry versus any other virus we have seen.

Everyone posts that sensationalized link with The pockets and large circles. Look how big the red spots are to fire people up, just as one example of how the data is presented in a way to scare people. It looks like it’s entirely infected the West coast and NYC, and there are literally a few hundred cases. Garbage.

Mortality is all that matters in the end game. If this isn’t that deadly, file it under the many other highly contagious illnesses and we move on.

 

[Kierkegaarden]

You don’t know if it’s going to get worse then better. You also don’t know if this virus will still be transmitted during warmer months. There are a lot of assumptions at this point from both sides. It’s new and we also live in a much more pessimistic society these days so I’m not surprised people are freaking out. We don’t know the outcome of this. Based on statistics alone, the flu is still far worse and as of now the flu has killed many many more people than COVID. Will that be the case in 5 months? Who knows, but as of now we have what we have. Social media, and our mainstream media have created this fear mongering. That’s clearly obvious. Most rational people will do their due diligence. Wash hands, stay home if sick, cough in their elbows but continue to move on with life. Just like every other flu season that takes the lives of 60k plus people each year. If you’re one of those people afraid to go out of your house. I feel sorry for you. That’s no way to live an already short life we have on this planet. When it’s your time it’s your time. Nothing can stop that.

Thanks, Pennypacker. Leave it to a wealthy industrialist to add some sanity to this discussion!

 

[Eorlas]

Really hoping the hysteria blows over soon. We need sensible hygiene and not panic. Once a vaccine is available, people need to take it and get on with their lives!

that's...potentially over a year from now

 

[44267547]

I realize this is a ‘tech’ site about Apple, but it doesn’t matter. Apple delaying an iPhone is nothing compared to other manufacturers that will have to follow the same footsteps given the concerns out in China. There’s nothing anyone can do right now, except wait/hope for future improvements for the situation to hopefully subside.

if Apple has to delay any product, let alone the iPhone, so be it. There are far more pertinent concerns that are above a ‘5G’ iPhone.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

Comments like this are so puzzling. People need to remember that the Flu and this COVID-19 virus are *contagious*, and that people can be carriers for it and pass it onto other people without knowing they have. You can't compare this to cancer because it's not a contagious `droplet` disease. You can't get cancer from touching your mouth, but you can catch a virus.

The downplaying of this coronavirus by so many people is concerning, and those may even be people that contribute to it spreading because they are not taking it seriously enough. As these virus situations get worse (and they will!), there needs to be laws that hold such people accountable for their behaviour, if they fail to adhere to strict guidance for containing the spread around their communities.

"Why are you in jail?" ..."Oh, I didn't stay home when I had a runny nose and 10 people got sick from me and died." ... "Oh."
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I want to ask ... do you know what the "flu shot" is?

It's a lab-grown sample of the flu virus that causes your body to build up an immunity to the virus in the wild. So you're actually being injected with the flu virus, which is why some people do get sick, but it's likely far less severe than if they did not get the shot at all.

I don't get the flu shot either, but some people insist on it. My mom, for example, got it religiously.

You don’t get the flu shot but talk about being held accountable for getting other people sick? Hypocrisy at its best. Let me guess when they have a COVID-19 vaccine you’ll skip that as well?

 

[bpeeps]

Given that no vaccine is available, and at soonest we’re looking at a year and a half, perhaps it’s a bit premature to tell people to get on with their lives.

Stop feeding into the mass hysteria. Wash your hands and go about your day. There's nothing else to it.

 

[nicho]

To the crowd that keeps claiming the lethality rate is overblown because of supposed undetected cases, and that most cases are “mild”

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My contention is this is not very serious if the mortality rate decreases, which it likely will if it does indeed begin the infect people on any large scale. I’m not the first person who has said this. The denominator is too small to make Any percentages meaningful if it does infect a large number. One of the reasons is common sense. The death rate is based on probably something close to 100% of all people who died, but the infected is likely much higher as infected people are not being reported like dead people.

See the above post from earlier in the thread.

No need to question your common sense yet, since sometimes weird things happen. But evidence and research by experts is a way stronger position than "common sense".

You're not the first, but given the evidence you should consider being one of the last instead of perpetuating untruths.

 

[Unami]

good opportunity for apple to let their engineers stay home and fix their f***g software. ipados and catalina are a mess and ios is a far cry from former design and stability.

 

[RammyXX]

This is all very worrisome. Sooner or later a virus that is actually worth panicking over will be transmitted onto a human. This mild crisis is only showing how unprepared we are against a scenario like that.

 

[MistrSynistr]

People, have some common sense - if you believed China locked down 1 billion people for a month for some flu, either the Chinese are stupid of you are an arrogant idiot. Sure, cv19 is a relative to seasonal flu, but they are not the same. Take some time to ask the Chinese you know what really happened.

Yes, believe everything coming out of CHINA. lol.

 

[dwsolberg]

It seems to be spreading nicely throughout those hot, humid climates in SE Asia right now.

i'm genuinely curious which Southeast Asian countries you're talking about. From what I can see most of them have pretty cool temperatures right now.
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IT’S NOT A FLU

COVID-19

COVID-19 is the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that emerged in December 2019. Learn about symptoms, diagnosis, treatment and prevention.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

 

[gri]

Delayed by ...gasp... a MONTH. The HORROR!

I think we got bigger problems, currently.

 

[djcerla]

A greater percentage of the population? Yes. More? No.

now 60 millions quarantined in Italy. More than China.

 

[compwiz1202]

maybe there can be a coronavirus section on this page – i'm starting to get really annoyed that every other post is about it.

Agree and I wish they would mod more and keep threads on topic. Any thread even slightly related to CV skews to the same discussion not to do with the original topic in every other thread for more than half the posts.

 

[alexandr]

Agree and I wish they would mod more and keep threads on topic. Any thread even slightly related to CV skews to the same discussion not to do with the original topic in every other thread for more than half the posts.

exactly. it becomes an argument between those who think they will die from this virus and those who think they won't.

 

[nicho]

now 60 millions quarantined in Italy. More than China.

Not really, since they are apparently still allowed to go to work. 1.2 billion people are still on that kind of “lockdown but not lockdown” in China.

 

[djcerla]

Not really, since they are apparently still allowed to go to work. 1.2 billion people are still on that kind of “lockdown but not lockdown” in China.

Come here and take a look. It’s war time.

 

[Tech198]

I would have said "will be delayed" not "could be"

That sounds more like there is hope.

Judging by the rate of infection that is.

 

[maxfromdenmark]

So what if I need to wait a couple months longer... people are suffering and die across the globe. “I’m not such important right now”