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I especially liked the bit about you thinking about selling your iPhone due to the tab reloading.

FWIW, I can't see me hanging on until my next upgrade.


It's ridiculous really. I bought another Note 4 (already had one at launch) on Friday. It's nice to be able to just use it and not worry about everything reloading all the time. Both devices and ecosystems have their advantages/disadvantages. Hard to choose. I've had 2 Note 4s, two 6+s, and a Nexus 6 since the 6 Plus launched.
 
It's ridiculous really. I bought another Note 4 (already had one at launch) on Friday. It's nice to be able to just use it and not worry about everything reloading all the time. Both devices and ecosystems have their advantages/disadvantages. Hard to choose. I've had 2 Note 4s, two 6+s, and a Nexus 6 since the 6 Plus launched.

Cripes. The choices for me were the Note 4, Nexus 6, and 6+.
I discounted the Note 4 because I tried two in two different stores and both had a loose volume rocker. If it wasn't for that I'd have got one. Damn you Samsung, you made me suffer the 6+ tab reloading mightmare! ☺️
The Nexus I feel is just too big, and as I like iOS & have a ton of paid-for apps, I just thought 'better the devil you know'.
Boy do I feel like I messed up though! #
 
Way less lag now...
 

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Since much of the issue seems to be safari tabs reloading, what about other browsers? Do they have the same issue? If not, maybe it's more a Safari problem than RAM problem? I was thinking of trying the Mercury browser.
 
Since much of the issue seems to be safari tabs reloading, what about other browsers? Do they have the same issue? If not, maybe it's more a Safari problem than RAM problem? I was thinking of trying the Mercury browser.


Mercury does the same exact thing for me. Three tabs max. That's when it's not crashing.
 
There is already space for improvements, for sure.
But please take a look at my last video.... The slow time was requested specifically by an user...

http://youtu.be/EQQKZvavZsE

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http://youtu.be/EQQKZvavZsE

It's nothing magic.

You kept the browser open the entire time. You never sent the browser to the background, launched one or more other apps and then brought the browser back to the foreground. Additionally, the behavior of browser tabs on iPad isn't the same as the behavior of browser tabs on iPhone.

And for the love of God, stop telling everyone how little they know about multitasking in iOS. What impact does that have on what people are actually experiencing? I think you read one blog on multitasking and now think you're a programming expert. If you have an app in the App Store, I'd love to try it out.
 
Since much of the issue seems to be safari tabs reloading, what about other browsers? Do they have the same issue? If not, maybe it's more a Safari problem than RAM problem? I was thinking of trying the Mercury browser.

I'm using it on a daily base. Definitely better than Safari on that matter.

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You kept the browser open the entire time. You never sent the browser to the background, launched one or more other apps and then brought the browser back to the foreground. Additionally, the behavior of browser tabs on iPad isn't the same as the behavior of browser tabs on iPhone.

And for the love of God, stop telling everyone how little they know about multitasking in iOS. What impact does that have on what people are actually experiencing? I think you read one blog on multitasking and now think you're a programming expert. If you have an app in the App Store, I'd love to try it out.

Again you showed to know very little about iOS multitasking.
If you send Safari to the background, and then open one or more other apps, and then bring Safari back to the foreground you are literally ASKING FOR RELOADS.
This have always been the same, in iOS, and if you were expecting a different behavior, well it's your problem.

And for the second time, stop with your personal attack about my education.
I was programming in Assembler and Pascal when you probably were in the nursery.....
 
Yes, and my video showing four tabs is a miracle ... :rolleyes:

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Definitely.


I'm not going to sit here and argue with you and you will not hound me like you have the others. You understand? Im glad yours works miracles. My 6 Plus isn't horribly unusable, but could be a lot better.

I've never seen anyone protect something the way you do with this phone and not have something to gain from it. It's almost like you're paid to trash and hound everyone that has anything bad to say about It.

I'm most certainly not bothering anyone and definitely not insinuating people are liars as you are. If you don't like my posts then please ignore.
 
I'm using it on a daily base. Definitely better than Safari on that matter.

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Again you showed to know very little about iOS multitasking.
If you send Safari to the background, and then open one or more other apps, and then bring Safari back to the foreground you are literally ASKING FOR RELOADS.
This have always been the same, in iOS, and if you were expecting a different behavior, well it's your problem.

And for the second time, stop with your personal attack about my education.
I was programming in Assembler and Pascal when you probably were in the nursery.....

It all depends on the other applications to be honest. As I was asked to do previously have the amazon app, the ebay app, and two tabs in the browser open. Well in addition I also had email and tapatalk open. All is absolutely fine doing that, moving between the apps, search in the apps, go to the browser, do stuff there, go back to the apps do stuff there, go back to the browser, change tabs, scroll around blah blah blah

Only one thing to add, I do know that that websites I had open do not employ session management, thus sessions do not expire, nor do they changing content from other sites which doesn't use an ajax style mechanism to update the page.

The point being, there can be many different factors why a page reloads. Sure memory can be one as at some stage iOS will remove one or more of the apps out of memory. Even when you have 2GB that point will come at some stage...

Having come from an iPhone 5S, I can categorically state that the 6+ is no worse on the contrary. Perhaps my experience is different because I've been running iOS8 on my 5S since Beta 3 in July. Thus too long ago to remember reliably what the experience was on the 5S using iOS7 compared to 6+ on iOS8. I don't know, and don't care about that one to be honest since the additional functionality that iOS8 brings is so much greater than the effect of any perceived performance hit. Definitely not to the affect that it seems like it has 1/4 of the memory and is not usable for more than SMS and Calls.

PS. On a day-to-day basis I don't manage apps myself at all. I just let the OS do its thing and leave everything 'open'.
 
I'm using it on a daily base. Definitely better than Safari on that matter.

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Again you showed to know very little about iOS multitasking.
If you send Safari to the background, and then open one or more other apps, and then bring Safari back to the foreground you are literally ASKING FOR RELOADS.
This have always been the same, in iOS, and if you were expecting a different behavior, well it's your problem.

And for the second time, stop with your personal attack about my education.
I was programming in Assembler and Pascal when you probably were in the nursery.....

I took Assembly while in school, so you can stop there.
I have some apps in the App Store, that involve actual iOS programming (and dealing with multitasking). Do you? Or do you just spew out the same line to everyone about how ignorant they are when it comes to multitasking. Okay, great, you're an expert at iOS multitasking even though you've provided no proof.

Anyway, glad this is just a forum and not real life. Pretty sure you're 'that guy' who argues his point to death even when wrong and just pisses everyone off until they walk away, vowing to never interact with you again.
 
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you and you will not hound me like you have the others. You understand? Im glad yours works miracles. My 6 Plus isn't horribly unusable, but could be a lot better.

I've never seen anyone protect something the way you do with this phone and not have something to gain from it. It's almost like you're paid to trash and hound everyone that has anything bad to say about It.

I'm most certainly not bothering anyone and definitely not insinuating people are liars as you are. If you don't like my posts then please ignore.

I never spoke about liars. You are insinuating I'm paid, so think twice before being "so kind and accommodating".

Saying that, your opinion about the iPhone is not that different from mine: it could be better. My "arguing" was about someone saying it is barely usable, and good almost only for sms and voice calls.

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It all depends on the other applications to be honest. As I was asked to do previously have the amazon app, the ebay app, and two tabs in the browser open. Well in addition I also had email and tapatalk open. All is absolutely fine doing that, moving between the apps, search in the apps, go to the browser, do stuff there, go back to the apps do stuff there, go back to the browser, change tabs, scroll around blah blah blah

Only one thing to add, I do know that that websites I had open do not employ session management, thus sessions do not expire, nor do they changing content from other sites which doesn't use an ajax style mechanism to update the page.

The point being, there can be many different factors why a page reloads. Sure memory can be one as at some stage iOS will remove one or more of the apps out of memory. Even when you have 2GB that point will come at some stage...

Having come from an iPhone 5S, I can categorically state that the 6+ is no worse on the contrary. Perhaps my experience is different because I've been running iOS8 on my 5S since Beta 3 in July. Thus too long ago to remember reliably what the experience was on the 5S using iOS7 compared to 6+ on iOS8. I don't know, and don't care about that one to be honest since the additional functionality that iOS8 brings is so much greater than the effect of any perceived performance hit. Definitely not to the affect that it seems like it has 1/4 of the memory and is not usable for more than SMS and Calls.

PS. On a day-to-day basis I don't manage apps myself at all. I just let the OS do its thing and leave everything 'open'.

Absolutely agree.
My point is exactly that. I know the device I'm using and I know I have to use it according to its limitations. Browsing four tabs, opening two more apps, and then going back to the browser where I left two tabs opened with websites that uses session management is a bad idea and a demonstration I don't understand how my device works.
And for information, in that situation also my Nexus and my Lumia 1520, both 2 Gb devices, may reload tabs.
 
I never spoke about liars. You are insinuating I'm paid, so think twice before being "so kind and accommodating".

Saying that, your opinion about the iPhone is not that different from mine: it could be better. My "arguing" was about someone saying it is barely usable, and good almost only for sms and voice calls.

Exactly that! Nobody is arguing it could not be better....It is just the dramatic exaggerations not just in this thread, but every single other one buy a view....

So when @americansteam is saying that @Max(IT) is hounding people down here, I would suggest that @americansteam (and @bizack) actually looks around and gets to see the big picture that is going on before making this personal and slinging slanderous accusations about....
 
I took Assembly while in school, so you can stop there.
I have some apps in the App Store, that involve actual iOS programming (and dealing with multitasking). Do you? Or do you just spew out the same line to everyone about how ignorant they are when it comes to multitasking. Okay, great, you're an expert at iOS multitasking even though you've provided no proof.

Anyway, glad this is just a forum and not real life. Pretty sure you're 'that guy' who argues his point to death even when wrong and just pisses everyone off until they walk away, vowing to never interact with you again.

Frankly, now I'm working to a totally another level than "iOS apps on the app store", with all due respect for your job.
I'm not going to demonstrate here who I am and what I'm doing. I repeat you twice, stop your PERSONAL attack about my education. I don't care about your.
I'm debating about a perception of a phone.

I'm an Apple enthusiastic customer, since 1989. That doesn't automatically make me an ignorant blind fanboy.
 
Frankly, now I'm working to a totally another level than "iOS apps on the app store", with all due respect for your job.
I'm not going to demonstrate here who I am and what I'm doing. I repeat you twice, stop your PERSONAL attack about my education. I don't care about your.
I'm debating about a perception of a phone.

I will refrain from remarking on your technical skills and request that you do the same.
 
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I never spoke about liars. You are insinuating I'm paid, so think twice before being "so kind and accommodating".



Saying that, your opinion about the iPhone is not that different from mine: it could be better. My "arguing" was about someone saying it is barely usable, and good almost only for sms and voice calls.


My apologies for the paid comment. Mine hums along most of the time just as long as I keep the recent apps cleaned out. Still get the occasional Safari reload when I only have 2 tabs open, close the 2nd tab, and then go back to the first.

Didn't realize Mercury was updated for the 6 until last night. Downloaded it hoping it would be better, but it crashes often. Just like Safari, 3 tabs max before reloading occurs.

I've gotten to know the limitations of the device and work around those limitations. Coming from years of using Android phones (I've had several iPads and iPods), it feels a bit constricting. Apple could have made the user experience for some of us so much better, but that cuts into profits for something that most of the user base would never notice any way.
 
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you and you will not hound me like you have the others. You understand? Im glad yours works miracles. My 6 Plus isn't horribly unusable, but could be a lot better.

I've never seen anyone protect something the way you do with this phone and not have something to gain from it. It's almost like you're paid to trash and hound everyone that has anything bad to say about It.

I'm most certainly not bothering anyone and definitely not insinuating people are liars as you are. If you don't like my posts then please ignore.

On a side note, to keep tone down, if actually someone at Apple is reading this forum, I'd like to be paid for my "work" here ! Last time I checked, I paid them about 1000€ (yes, Euro!) for my phone, AppleCare and a leather cover :D

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My apologies for the paid comment. Mine hums along most of the time just as long as I keep the recent apps cleaned out. Still get the occasional Safari reload when I only have 2 tabs open, close the 2nd tab, and then go back to the first.

Didn't realize Mercury was updated for the 6 until last night. Downloaded it hoping it would be better, but it crashes often. Just like Safari, 3 tabs max before reloading occurs.

I've gotten to know the limitations of the device and work around those limitations. Coming from years of using Android phones (I've had several iPads and iPods), it feels a bit constricting. Apple could have made the user experience for some of us so much better, but that cuts into profits for something that most of the user base would never notice any way.
No offense taken.

I can't explain why some users are experiencing more reloads than others. I've been on this argument several times in the past (thus the videos you saw). I've tried with websites linked by other people, and my iPad behavior remain the same. The only "precautions" I'm taking while web browsing is to close any unused app in background and I'm rebooting my iDevices every other day (more or less), before plugging in for recharge.
I'm not saying I'm not experiencing reloads at all, but my savvy behavior and the habit of keeping not more than 2-3 tabs opened are helping me to obtain a satisfactory experience.

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Ps: I don't know either why Mercury crashes so often in your case :eek:
In my experience is rock solid :confused:
 
Since much of the issue seems to be safari tabs reloading, what about other browsers? Do they have the same issue? If not, maybe it's more a Safari problem than RAM problem? I was thinking of trying the Mercury browser.

I mainly use Opera Coast and have tried many other browsers, but they all reload just like Safari does. I just prefer Coast for other reasons. As all iOS browsers use the same Safari engine (minus the speed enhancement), and all are constricted by the same 1GB of RAM, no one browser can work wonders when it comes to tab reloading.
 
I mainly use Opera Coast and have tried many other browsers, but they all reload just like Safari does. I just prefer Coast for other reasons. As all iOS browsers use the same Safari engine (minus the speed enhancement), and all are constricted by the same 1GB of RAM, no one browser can work wonders when it comes to tab reloading.


Whilst they all use WebKit for rendering, that doesn't mean they all implement caching, tabs etc in the same way. A discussion we've had a long time ago already.

Just for a bit of fun, yeah yeah I know you say it isn't about speed but reloading blah blah blah. This test was run whilst interpreted three times, so I guess it is a little bit slow. I can you tell you one thing, it is not just a test, the results really feel like that to me when using mine daily.

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Which does depend on the site itself as well. I do notice that one of my own sites most definitely loads from local cached content when Safari gets "unloaded" as if it required a proper reload it would take much longer.
 
I mainly use Opera Coast and have tried many other browsers, but they all reload just like Safari does. I just prefer Coast for other reasons. As all iOS browsers use the same Safari engine (minus the speed enhancement), and all are constricted by the same 1GB of RAM, no one browser can work wonders when it comes to tab reloading.
No, again...

IOS browsers aren't all the same.
Mercury browser is an arm32 process, while Safari is an arm64 process. Different memory footprint. Different RAM usage. Different behavior. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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