Definitely graphics, the extra GPU memory will be more significant then a .3 GHz CPU Bump
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Are they any Radeon Pro 460 benchmarks out yet?
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I found this on YT: Windows 10 Comparison 2016 15" Macbook Pro (Radeon Pro 460) vs Dell XPS 15.
Nice video with honest benchmarks (for the most part). Only thing that seems of is the fact that Windows 10 is running of an USB3 SSD instead of the PCI-E internal drive. But this wouldn't affect FPS that much, although I'm not sure how Geekbench and other benchmarks would rate this difference.
Nice video with honest benchmarks (for the most part). Only thing that seems of is the fact that Windows 10 is running of an USB3 SSD instead of the PCI-E internal drive. But this wouldn't affect FPS that much, although I'm not sure how Geekbench and other benchmarks would rate this difference.
I just registered to give my personal feelings on the meaning of "Pro".
I'm splitting between two jobs: IT VM Infrastructure management & Filmmaking/Cinematography. Both professionally, meaning that I own two different registered business and I rely on those incomings. So yes, I get payed and I do both as my jobs. This qualify me as a professional.
As IT consultant, I work for one of the biggest corporations in the world. All employers here own a Dell Latitude 5450. They're carrying an i5 with 4GB of RAM, and integrated GPU, all in a plastic shell. They're not intended for home use, but professional. And what it makes them professional? The NBD repair service at first.
I see people here saying that new MBPs are prosumer as they don't compete enough with others GAMING laptops out there, comparing GAMES benchmarks and DESKTOP gpus.
Somebody even said that this isn't really PRO as it can't handle VARIOUS virtual machines running at the same time. Are we serious?
A professional doesn't rely on a laptop for running MULTIPLE VMs! I'm sitting on my MBPr 15/2013 and I'm using Mac OS, a Windows 10 VM under Fusion, and third desktop running VDI machine (VMWare Horizon), all working without issues.
(side note: if you need to run different VMs at the same time, the technology today allow you to run them in the cloud using then just a simple VDI client to access them. This is the best practice adopted allover the world. A 64GB laptop with dual Xeon inside is not really needed)
I'm moving to new MBP (delivering this monday) just because the new color gamut will help me a lot on my second job. Plus, I love the idea of using the touch bar for the timeline while editing: it will free a lot of space on my display.
I would love to know if in this market there are actually machines better that the new MBP. With better I don't mean just a faster CPU or GPU. If somebody can point me to another laptop that is not heavier than this one (or not more than 20%), with a faster CPU/GPU, with 32GB of RAM, in any material that is not just plastic that will last at least for three years without loosing the display position all the time, with a 10 hrs battery, that offer USB-C e Thunderbolt3.. I'll then consider it
Many sees the lost of USB and SD cards as problem. I don't.
I never walk with a naked laptop, and since I'm moving with a bag, I'm not scared of bringing a couple of adapters.
The benefits I got with USB-C are simply amazing. As a video editor, I can now use SSD at their full speed, on a small 2,5" shell. And if I need to plug any kind of USB2/3 device, I have a couple of very small adapters on my bag that I payed 6$ on Amzn.
The only downside for me is the price increase.
Last time I payed more than 3k of euros was for buying a Sony Vaio Z (before the new Air it was the only powerful ultrabook option on the market). But I must say that Apple's computers keeps high when resell time arrives.
Just my 2,5c
I'm splitting between two jobs: IT VM Infrastructure management & Filmmaking/Cinematography. Both professionally, meaning that I own two different registered business and I rely on those incomings. So yes, I get payed and I do both as my jobs. This qualify me as a professional.
As IT consultant, I work for one of the biggest corporations in the world. All employers here own a Dell Latitude 5450. They're carrying an i5 with 4GB of RAM, and integrated GPU, all in a plastic shell. They're not intended for home use, but professional. And what it makes them professional? The NBD repair service at first.
I see people here saying that new MBPs are prosumer as they don't compete enough with others GAMING laptops out there, comparing GAMES benchmarks and DESKTOP gpus.
Somebody even said that this isn't really PRO as it can't handle VARIOUS virtual machines running at the same time. Are we serious?
A professional doesn't rely on a laptop for running MULTIPLE VMs! I'm sitting on my MBPr 15/2013 and I'm using Mac OS, a Windows 10 VM under Fusion, and third desktop running VDI machine (VMWare Horizon), all working without issues.
(side note: if you need to run different VMs at the same time, the technology today allow you to run them in the cloud using then just a simple VDI client to access them. This is the best practice adopted allover the world. A 64GB laptop with dual Xeon inside is not really needed)
I'm moving to new MBP (delivering this monday) just because the new color gamut will help me a lot on my second job. Plus, I love the idea of using the touch bar for the timeline while editing: it will free a lot of space on my display.
I would love to know if in this market there are actually machines better that the new MBP. With better I don't mean just a faster CPU or GPU. If somebody can point me to another laptop that is not heavier than this one (or not more than 20%), with a faster CPU/GPU, with 32GB of RAM, in any material that is not just plastic that will last at least for three years without loosing the display position all the time, with a 10 hrs battery, that offer USB-C e Thunderbolt3.. I'll then consider it
Many sees the lost of USB and SD cards as problem. I don't.
I never walk with a naked laptop, and since I'm moving with a bag, I'm not scared of bringing a couple of adapters.
The benefits I got with USB-C are simply amazing. As a video editor, I can now use SSD at their full speed, on a small 2,5" shell. And if I need to plug any kind of USB2/3 device, I have a couple of very small adapters on my bag that I payed 6$ on Amzn.
The only downside for me is the price increase.
Last time I payed more than 3k of euros was for buying a Sony Vaio Z (before the new Air it was the only powerful ultrabook option on the market). But I must say that Apple's computers keeps high when resell time arrives.
Just my 2,5c
As a fellow VM infrastructure engineer, I'm glad you brought this up. My work computer is almost the same as yours (Latitude E5470 in my case) and works just fine with 8GB of RAM and an i5, even when running a Windows 10 VM. Generally speaking, people who work with a lot of VMs will usually have them hosted on a server, or the cloud as you say, and just remote in from any computer they've got handy.
I also do some developing, and my main computer for that is a 2011 15" MBP (2.3 GHz i7) with 16GB of RAM and an SSD, and, while it's getting a bit long in the tooth, that beast can still handle a couple of virtual machines, a database, mobile emulators, and GIMP/Photoshop/Illustrator, all while running an external display and without so much as a stutter, so I have no doubts that the new MBPs will be able to handle all that stuff as well.
So I think all this talk about "professionals and prosumers" is a bit subjective. I can do my job using a new MBP, but I can also use something much less powerful and still get the job done. I think in the end it all boils down to quality of life improvements, at least for me, that's why I switched to Macs and OSX back in 2011, because at the end of the day, OSX/MacOS is a pleasure to use, simply because it makes my life easier. Am I a "prosumer"? Yes, I want the top of the line new MBP, even though I could work with the base model, just because it's "the best" I can get from Apple at the moment. Am I a professional? I'd like to think so, and that lets me appreciate the different choices I've got, be it OS, manufacturer, or programs, and pick the one that best suits me.
I was playing with the new MBP yesterday, editing 4K footage and it ran smooth as butter, with many clips, lots of adjustments, overlays, etc. It ran so smooth I could barely believe my eyes.
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Your lucky that your production workflow allows you to use Final Cut Pro X, mine doesn't. Apples answer to 4K is to use Final Cut Pro X, but that doesn't work for our company. Final Cut Pro X, uses proxies to edit 4K, it doesn't work with shared media, doesn't use the OFX plugins that are starbdard for broadcast, can't toss between different rooms because it can't see a fibre network, we tested it over and over, it doesn't work in our broadcast pipeline. Try to do that same work you did on Final Cut Pro X with 4K R3D files in Adobe Premiere, curious how fast it is. Or 4K DPX or MXF in Blackmagic Resolve. Let me know how fast those programs run. Again disable proxies.
Thank you, Vertigo!
So, Radeon Pro 460 Stands between Geforce GTX 960M and 965M, but much near the 960M than 965M.
For comparision (from Notebookcheck):
Geforce GTX 960M
Fire Strike (DX11) (default settings)
Total: 3.978
Graphics: 4.314
Geforce GTX 965M
Fire Strike (DX11) (default settings)
Total: 5.005
Graphics: 5.699
4K+ RAW files realtime direct editing on a laptop? If this is possible why are we buying 5-8k dollar workstations with blazing fast storage (a.k.a. Fiber SANs)? I don't think Zuckerberg was waiting for new MBP to run the entire Facebook network from the command line
I can edit UHD 4K H264 and ProRes files directly on my MBPr 2013 on Premiere very smoothly, but once I move to Blackmagic uncompressed RAW files I'll just get 4-5 fps playback. That's where proxy comes to help. That's why Premiere gave us the "ingest" option creating transparent proxy for such heavy media
Ohhh the truth finally comes out.
The whiner didn't actually test the new MBP – he's just been running around hating on everyone in the world because he's using subpar software.
I knew you were full of **** because you claimed to have tested and rejected the new MBPs the morning the first ones started arriving and there was literally only one guy on this forum in California who got his yet, and no stores had any display models yet.
You were running around the forum yelling at people how you rejected them for not being fast enough, when in reality you never even used one. And I betcha you still haven't even used one.
You're just being a whiny hating baby because you're using garbage Premiere.
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4K+ RAW files realtime direct editing on a laptop? If this is possible why are we buying 5-8k dollar workstations with blazing fast storage (a.k.a. Fiber SANs)? I don't think Zuckerberg was waiting for new MBP to run the entire Facebook network from the command line
I can edit UHD 4K H264 and ProRes files directly on my MBPr 2013 on Premiere very smoothly, but once I move to Blackmagic uncompressed RAW files I'll just get 4-5 fps playback. That's where proxy comes to help. That's why Premiere gave us the "ingest" option creating transparent proxy for such heavy media
I setup lecture and design post production pipelines. I know ins and outs of everything out there. My point is you can't use proxys if your in a post house where you have to go between multiple rooms. Everyone can joke about workflows but commercials are shot, cut and finished a certain way. Apples solution to 4K is proxy in Final Cut Pro X. If your doing professional film and tv finishing. You have to disable the proxys to see 1:1. Or your not really grading or preparing for broadcast and distribution.
The reference was to 4K is for DIT work, which was our latest test, and which these laptops are to slow to do. Lots of the footage now for commercials is 4K r3d, 4k MXF raw. You can't distribute dailies on set when the system is going to proxy 10hours of footage. It's impossible. You need a faster GPU. These gpus are out there. Apple just chooses not to use them.
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Comical at this point. We use AVID, Adobe CC, autodesk flame, autodesk smoke, and Blackmagic Davinci Resolve. All tv commercial and film work.
And we did test the 2016 Mbp and we deal with Final Cut Pro x all the time from clients.
You guys are all so angry. Jesus.
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1) Why in the name of god would you think you can run those programs on a laptop? Flame and Smoke? On a laptop? Gimme a break.
2) No I'm not angry – I'm pushing back against whiners like you who spend their time hating on other people on forums for no good reason.
These are great laptops. I'm here on this forum to discuss all the exciting possibilities.
You're here to tell people nothing is possible.
I can just imagine what you must be like in real life.
Debbie Downer.
This is crazy. We don't that was in response to you saying we run adobe premiere exclusively. Flame is on LINUX, RedHat on a Z100. Its getting outta hand.. And yes you are angry.. the personal insults just makes you look silly. Ive been working in tv film since 1997. Started in TV nat geo graphic then working LA on features, now in commercials mostly. Its not really my first week.
I will stop calling you angry as soon as you reply to a comment without personal insults, then I would believe you weren't angry, but you haven't yet. So try again?
Im actually the guy that chooses products in our pipeline for my company, its not me buying a laptop for school or something, its nothing personal.. Your misinterpreting the whole thing, your assuming this is MY personal wining, its NOT, this has nothing to do with me. My job is to get spots out the door and keep my clients happy, with whatever products I choose as well as other people in my company. OS X, LINUX, WINDOWS, AIX, IRIX, DOS, whatever... When I first did my tests on these computers my hope was to talk with other industry professionals about what was going on with Apple and why they where making the decisions they where making.. Instead I was told, I don't need more than 16GB or Ram and I don't need anything faster than the 460. And it seems like thats still the case.
No: you're being told that you need a desktop, not a laptop. It's pretty plain and simple.
You're also being told to stop whining at every single person who's interested in the product every single time they say anything about it, with ridiculous claims like "deerrrrp it cant edit 4k gaarrrr"
Like, do you do this on the iPad Pro forums? Run around telling people it should be able to run Smoke and Flame?
If Apple did not change the MBP's design profile, people would have had been up in arms about how they are behind in design. At the end of the day, if you have the money and are looking for a machine that will last you a while, the New MBP will be a great and awesome machine for you.
I am loving mine!
Why do people get so angry about a notebook computer...
Anyway a professional notebook covers a pretty wide spectrum. The MBP serves a lot of professionals quite well so I guess it qualifies to carry that tag. At any rate Apple just does not offer a workstation-class notebook that can do desktop replacement work. I don't think it is unreasonable to hope they do, maybe as the 17in option. However the profit for such niche usage is just not there.
Anyway a professional notebook covers a pretty wide spectrum. The MBP serves a lot of professionals quite well so I guess it qualifies to carry that tag. At any rate Apple just does not offer a workstation-class notebook that can do desktop replacement work. I don't think it is unreasonable to hope they do, maybe as the 17in option. However the profit for such niche usage is just not there.
Here is one recommendation I found online for video (4k) notebooks.
http://www.videoguys.com/blog/videoguys-recommended-laptops-for-video-editing/
Really!!
http://www.videoguys.com/blog/videoguys-recommended-laptops-for-video-editing/
Really!!
Jonathan Morrison said he edits raw 6K RED footage without hiccups on it.
Which is completely insane. The GPU offloading in FCPX is nothing short of miraculous.
Which is completely insane. The GPU offloading in FCPX is nothing short of miraculous.
No kidding. It's like people just cannot fathom that what they want and need in a laptop is not the same as what someone else does.
That's why powerful workstations comes handy. That's why calibrated rec.709 (and soon rec.2020) monitors exists for real grading.
Personally speaking, I never saw someone complaining that it's laptop cannot edit native 4,5K RED raw files. This is a result we could achieve in nothing less that 3-4 years, but at that time we will deal then with 8K raw files
The magic here is just about editing 4K compressed codecs natively, while proxying RAW media for a smooth edit ready to be graded and delivered somewhere else.
Also, the last time I've shot a commercial with an URSA Mini 4,6K I ended up with 2TB of RAW files to be stored on my SAN. Since I need them stored, I cannot edit them "on the fly" (but I must admit that USB3.1genII is amazing fast: a 2,5" enclosure with Samsung EVO 850 2TB could do the magic).
The meaning is: since I need to work such huge amount of data on my desk, I do not see any problem using an eGPU. Thanks to the TB3, you can buy ANY kind of card to fit your needs: From RED Rocket to NVIDIA Quadro, not mentioning even a simple BM Intensity Pro for real 422/10b color grading.
AKITIO is ready to deliver a double slot PCI-e 16x box (with ATX power) for 299$. A nice upgrade to get then workstation class GPUs
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RED RAW is only about 230MB/s bit rate and shoots on to SATA 2 mags.
After loading RAW into an edit suite the app renders cached videos in the background which are lower bit rate than the RAW footage.
This isn't a big deal.