Still stand by my point - its a needless appendage. I'd rather have a heavier laptop, and fix the keyboard while they're at it cause that little key travel is just silly.
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Are they any Radeon Pro 460 benchmarks out yet?
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Still stand by my point - its a needless appendage. I'd rather have a heavier laptop, and fix the keyboard while they're at it cause that little key travel is just silly.
This is the definitive encapsulation of all the misguided whining that's been going on here.
Thank goodness Apple isn't shipping "faster enough" gigantic hot noisy ugly computers.
Amen. I previously had the Razer Blade and I couldn't get rid it faster. The blade had constant coilwhine/buzzing/humming with the fans running even from light web browsing. This new MacBook Pro is nearly silent.
There is nothing misguided, we tested the 15" MacBook Pro and it wasn't fast enough.. Its not any more complicated than that. For most people, web browsing, light gaming, light loafing, its totally fine. Unfortunately it wasn't fast enough to replace our old setups. Their are a lot of people that don't work in demanding industries and it will a fine laptop, and any model of Apple's offerings will be more than adequite.
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i went from a 4.5 pound to the 4 pound and it is substantial. Especially since my old computer was a 13".
Do you constantly have these dongles plugged in? We use them then they are away from the machine. I'd rather have a thinner computer than one with thicker ports to accommodate. Only gripe is they could of fit an sd slot in this side still.
I do love the new design in all its thinnest. Dongles don't bother me for the time being if it brings a better lighter design. We all want different things
I wasnt asking you directly. It was side not to everyone who is reading this post.
From another thread, but I work for a TV and Film post production company, and this was from another thread, I hate to have to retype everything.. But we tested using Apple Products, Adobe, Blackmagic, AVID, OpenCl and CUDA. 2016 MacBook Pro with 460.. The 455 is not any faster than the m370x, and the 460 is just a little above that..
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ual-5k-displays.2014874/page-11#post-23927366
I would fill hundred pages of information for you to digest over but let me just give you my latest example. I don't have to prove I'm Pro to you. But I'll play your games.
The Alexa Camera. The first model to was the Alexa. It shot HD and 2k HD using Apple ProRes. The files where manageable using 2011 to more recent laptops as long as you had the right codecs insatalled. You could ingest using Final Cut Pro not X, and create dailies.
Right now Arri is pushing to get rid of all ProRes in their pipeline because Apple has refused to keep up with modern computer maintenance and basically left ProRes as it was for that last 10 years. A lot of people where forced to use Apple for dit and onset aquasition because ProRes is proprietary. The solution is MXF.
Now Arri has the Alexa SXT. It can shoot 4K and the only way to get an Arri raw is shooting 4K MXF. The MXF is cross platform and owned by SMPTE and others and isn't really proprietary the way ProRes is. MXF can be used in a lot of pipelines
Anyway. My point is. OpenCL and the latest MacBook Pro can barely work with these files. Blackmagic Davinci resolve is only app that can open and it is unusable with the AMD 460 and OpenCL.
The last laptops did fine for that camera standard before.
This is not fringe. This is how film and digital media is moving forward.
Hi,
I’m an architect and a graphic design enthusiast. I’m using mainly AutoCAD, Sketchup, V-Ray, Photoshop, Illustrator and currently getting into 3ds max (which, unfortunately, i have to run on a virtual machine).
I’m thinking about getting a new MacbookPro.
Giving the high cost of these new macs, i’m not willing to make any major upgrades, reducing my limits to just one improvement: CPU – from i7 2.6 to 2.9 or GPU – from Radeon Pro 450 (2GB) to Radeon Pro 460 (4GB).
I would like to get your opinion on what would be the wisest upgrade.
(i read all the comments here and saw the benchmarks posted but i'm still undecided about wich of the options mentioned would be most appropriate for the kind of work i'll be doing...)
Thank you.
I’m an architect and a graphic design enthusiast. I’m using mainly AutoCAD, Sketchup, V-Ray, Photoshop, Illustrator and currently getting into 3ds max (which, unfortunately, i have to run on a virtual machine).
I’m thinking about getting a new MacbookPro.
Giving the high cost of these new macs, i’m not willing to make any major upgrades, reducing my limits to just one improvement: CPU – from i7 2.6 to 2.9 or GPU – from Radeon Pro 450 (2GB) to Radeon Pro 460 (4GB).
I would like to get your opinion on what would be the wisest upgrade.
(i read all the comments here and saw the benchmarks posted but i'm still undecided about wich of the options mentioned would be most appropriate for the kind of work i'll be doing...)
Thank you.
To be honest, i am not an expert, but i think that the graphics upgrade is the way to go
Given what you are using the laptop for, go with the graphics card for sure... The 460 4GB is a significant improvement over the 450 2GB for around $200, and the processor from 2.6 to 2.9 will likely not be significantly noticible in real world uses given both are quad core processors (Also the upgrade from 2.6 to 2.9 is around $300).
I personally went with the 2.6 with the 460 too...
If you plan do install windows 10 in bootcamp, it would be great
if you can share with us one of the most important notebookcheck's benchmarks: "3DMark - Fire Strike Score 1920x1080" . This is great for gamers. I bet Radeon PRO will reach the 5.000 mark.[doublepost=1479413031][/doublepost]
last year, I've managed to do a eGPU setup on bootcamp with Windows 10 using Akitio Thunder 2 PCI Express Box + Geforce GTX 750 ti. But I couldn't figure out how to make it work on OSX. Did you follow any tutorial? Can you share the basics?
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People from OTOY, developers of Octane Renderer, one the the best CUDA based GPU renderers of today, managed to make it work with AMD GPUs. They said they could do it in less than one month: "Broad cross-platform support: Using OTOY’s CUDA cross-compiler, OctaneEngine and OctaneImager is expected to support all possible CPU and GPU devices and platforms, including support for Mac platforms, and AMD GPUs.".
I'm using Goalque's automate-eGPU.sh to enable eGPU in Mac OS. He stopped development of this script so there are a few things not up to date (macOS 10.12.1 and newer).
You may or may not need to modify automate-eGPU script depending on which GPU you use. For Polaris 10 GPUs, I did Find&Replace AMDRadeonX4000.kext with AMDRadeonX4100.kext.
Real professionals know the difference between "there," "their," and "they're." Guess you are not a real professional.
To move on from the sarcasm, I think everyone agrees that the new MBP is not for people who need more than 16gb of RAM regardless of whether or not that person is a "professional." A person's title is irrelevant. Contrary to your patronizing views, you do not have to need more than 16gb of RAM to be considered a professional. That line of reasoning is absurd. Stop being so condescending to those who you judge to be mere "prosumers."
Thanks dad, typo noted, autocorrect disabled..
There is no agreement. Apple didn't release a 32GB model, so you only have one choice to choose. There is no argument about which is better, Coke versus Pepsi, when you walk into a store that only sells one or the other.
The problem is that Apple used to be geared towards professionals, and with this new laptop, is definitely geared towards prosumers. This is based on specs and speed.. Granted these specs are faster than a previous years release, so if I where to do the work I did years ago, before 4k became standard, I would say the 2016 MacBook Pro is very professional.
So not sure where saying that this computer isn't fast enough for the work my company does "Patronizing," it was a company wide vote. We have about 15 some people that vote on new products in our pipeline. Pretty much everyone on the tech side here was arms about this lame duck release...
So now only dad's can correct grammar? Perhaps English professors could, but they're not professionals in your book because English professors don't need more than 16gb RAM to do their profession.
The only disagreement is over the definition of professional.
Huh?
The Macbook Pro was never designed for "professionals" as the target audience. It was designed for anyone who wanted a portable Mac with a screen larger than 15 inches. I bought my first Mac, the late '08 MBP, for personal use. I use Lightroom to edit RAW files from my prosumer dSLR. It just so happened that it has always suited your employer up until now. That doesn't mean that it was geared towards professionals; it just worked with your specific profession. Now that Apple hasn't kept up with the technical requirements of your employer, you argue, it's no longer for all professionals. You're having a difficult time understanding that that there are in fact professionals out there who do not need more than 16gb. If it's true that MBPs used to work for you, but the 2016 MBP doesn't because it's limited to 16gb, then yes, Apple screwed you and I understand your frustration. The reason why so many people are debating you is due to your attitude that if you don't need more than 16gb, you're not a professional.
I love everything about the new MBP. It's perfect for me. Nothing "lame duck" about it. It just doesn't work for you. That doesn't make it bad in and of itself. What's bad is your elitist attitude. Here's another example:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...pro-myth-to-rest.2013366/page-6#post-23898347
In that post, you completely belittled wedding videographers who edit in FCPX because that software is for "prosumers." You, on the other hand, claim to be a real professional because FCPX cannot handle your employer's digital broadcasts. You don't see how that's condescending?
I think your missing my point. The argument was that I was told that I can anything that needs to get done as a professional on a MacBook Pro with 16gb of Ram that I used to do. My argument was that I used to use the MacBook Pro for editing video (Final Cut Pro not X) Shake and DVD Studio Pro. Those where all Professional apps at the time and I was doing Pro work with those apps on that laptop. The equivalent standard today is 4k, which the new MacBook Pros can not do. As for Final Cut Pro X, I'm not saying it's a diss to do wedding videos. It's a production pipeline, quality level. Shooting on site, editing and outputting in one setup/environment. Your obsession with my grammar and your anger are obviously about something else, a bigger issue, and no matter what I say your obviously gonna interpret negatively. Enjoy your laptop. They are beautiful just nothing my company can use because of how limited the GPU is.
3dmark Benchmarking Results
System Config
15" 2.6GHz (i7 6700HQ) / Radeon 460 Pro / 512GB
Windows 10 via Boot Camp
Fire Strike (DX11) (default settings)
Total: 4101
Graphics: 4600
Physics: 9424
Combined: 1542
Time Spy (DX12) (default settings)
Total: 1542
Graphics: 1395
CPU: 3837
Sky Diver (DX11) (default settings)
Total: 13807
Graphics: 15064
Physics: 9070
Combined: 16396
Summary
I took a look at some comparable systems with the same CPU (6700HQ) and the nVidia GTX 960m. In Fire Strike, the 960m outperforms the 460 Pro by about 10%. Results were similar in Sky Diver. In Time Spy, however, the 460 Pro matches or slightly edges out (by just a few points) the 960m. nVidia certainly has an advantage over AMD in DX11, but we should still see respectable performance going forward, particularly with DX12 games. Considering the 960m is a 75w part that was launched last year, I'm pretty happy with the performance of the 460 Pro.
System Config
15" 2.6GHz (i7 6700HQ) / Radeon 460 Pro / 512GB
Windows 10 via Boot Camp
Fire Strike (DX11) (default settings)
Total: 4101
Graphics: 4600
Physics: 9424
Combined: 1542
Time Spy (DX12) (default settings)
Total: 1542
Graphics: 1395
CPU: 3837
Sky Diver (DX11) (default settings)
Total: 13807
Graphics: 15064
Physics: 9070
Combined: 16396
Summary
I took a look at some comparable systems with the same CPU (6700HQ) and the nVidia GTX 960m. In Fire Strike, the 960m outperforms the 460 Pro by about 10%. Results were similar in Sky Diver. In Time Spy, however, the 460 Pro matches or slightly edges out (by just a few points) the 960m. nVidia certainly has an advantage over AMD in DX11, but we should still see respectable performance going forward, particularly with DX12 games. Considering the 960m is a 75w part that was launched last year, I'm pretty happy with the performance of the 460 Pro.
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There's no amount of memory or certain video resolution that makes you a professional. If you make a living with your work, you're pro. I know a lot of people who seem to find it funny that I use a 2012 MBP when they have a new, custom built PC with some huge ass GPU and 32 RAM. But they play games and shoot photos for fun, and don't get paid for doing so. My MBP has survived in desert dust and in minus 35 celsius arctic circle location shoots, and the airport staff has not been gentle with it. And it has never ever let me down, and I've always been able to get the job done and get paid too. I know it might be slower than some other laptop, but the trackpad, the weight, the display, the battery life, the aluminium construction that keeps on taking the beating, the OS and everything else makes it the best package I've used. So yeah, now that I'm buying a new one (probably the 2.6 / 460), it would be better to have the 32gb option AND a more powerful GPU too. But a laptop is always a full package, and at least for this professional, reliability, battery life and those things matter more than some minutes I could potentially save when rendering. So let's just say the "pro" people are not a homogenous group, and admit we have different needs. I can't say what some other pro needs, but I know what I need, and the new MBP seems to be in a good balance (at least on paper).
Sorry for the typos, English is not my native language.
Sorry for the typos, English is not my native language.