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We gonna see Samsung going back to Aluminum next year lol :p

The standard S25’s still used aluminum with a vapor chamber. (I believe the Ultra has a larger one with Titanium)).

Technically, we could see Sammy go back to Aluminum. To be fair, my S24U rarely ever gets hot.
 
Accroding to them, titanium has less heat conductivity and vapor chamber works in conjunction with alluminum chassis.

We will know for sure only when phones come out and tested. I suspect there's some truth in it
But wasnt that the case when they changed to titanium? Or simply just more heat now....
 
And it’s not that aluminum is automatically a cheap kind of material. It may feel less premium when you’re accustomed to stainless steel or titanium (although since I’m putting a case on it, it won’t matter anyway).
My MacBook Pro is aluminum and doesn't feel cheap, and my series 10 Apple Watch is in the polished jet black aluminum doesn't feel cheap either.

I have an iPhone 16 Pro in black titanium, but I also keep it in a thin case, so I never really feel or even see the titanium frame. Just for kicks I took my phone out of its case just now and handled it for a bit "naked." It felt nice, especially feeling the actual hardware buttons vs the plastic buttons on the case, but the metal didn't automatically feel more "premium" vs my watch or MBP. And I'm someone who is very picky and critical about the quality of materials used in other contexts like car interiors (enough with the piano black plastics!).
 
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They way I see this, they felt like the major redesign was enough of a selling point.

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But above all I'm just not the biggest fan of this bulbous shape Pro has became this year, personally. Feels like we are going backwards and Air is more like it.

I though the Pros were hideous when I saw them, but after a couple of days I'm changing my mind. They are not pretty phones by any means, but I think they are as pretty as they can be given Apple's change of direction.

Someone said something on this forum a day or two ago and that stuck with me - the Pros are no longer the fashion accessory, instead they are the powerhouse that is no longer afraid of a more rugged look. I don't know if Apple is aiming for this ruggedness, but they are at least no longer prioritising appearance.

Before this event, a rich person at a fancy restaurant was always more likely to take a Pro iPhone out of their pocket. The Pros were aimed at the crowd that wants power but also at the crowd that wants aesthetics, a fashion statement.
This is why the Pros always had a gold option, with the exception of only the 15 Pro when the gold was replaced with natural titanium. The height of this "fashion" push was the 14 Pro, which had gold and purple.
The 17 Pro is the first version that only has three colours, it is the first version without the black and the first version to feature orange. Clearly Apple is repositioning this phone, not in terms of price-point, but overall look and appeal.

I think their plan for the Pro from now on is to attract customers who want pure power regardless of aesthetics. The Pro is going to be raw power and will somewhat resemble a Galaxy Ultra, while the Air will be more focused on aesthetics and will resemble the Pro iPhone of old. From now on, the Air is the new fashion accessory targeted at people who can pay any amount and use the phone as a fashion statement. The Air took that position from the Pro so Apple is free to make some different design choices on the Pro that they normally wouldn't do.
 
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But wasnt that the case when they changed to titanium? Or simply just more heat now....
Yes the new 3nm A19 Pro chip along with the faster running neural, CPU, GPUs.

My 16 Pro gets very warm even with very light tasks - like checking email, banking, etc..
 
It’s really simple: aluminum is the poor man’s titanium.
So iPhone Air or some previous Pros should be the only option.
Ah, titanium envy - that's what's driving these threads.

I personally don't care what the material used like @PieTunes said - iPhones are a seriously depreciating tool - worse depreciation than my EV !

But now since Apple is using titanium on the new form factor: 17 Air - that might be what's stirring the reviews and negative Air posts here ?

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Notice how SHINY the titanium frame looks - very premium ??
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Compared to the dull look of the Pro / PM ?
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It seems to make sense from an engineering perspective, but it's a bit ironic how much of a fuss they made about titanium being used in the iPhone 15 only to then drop it two years later. Just goes to show how mature of a product modern smartphones are, we're basically going back and forth between the same materials and designs.
 
LOL! We must be related as I use n Encased case with belt clip. Been having them on my belt for years. Some make fun but the PM is too big for my pocket.
Wow, another Encased user!

I just ordered the Encased for the 17 Air and will see how it feels.

I also ordered the Pelican, but I fear it's too "heavy duty" and chunky...

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Wow, another Encased user!

I just ordered the Encased for the 17 Air and will see how it feels.

I also ordered the Pelican, but I fear it's too "heavy duty" and chunky...

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I just received the Apple clear case, but might return it. I have tried many brands in the past. What is important to me is it be thin and the buttons have to work easily. Pretty sure the Apple case buttons will work well but hate the large white thing on the case.

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But wasnt that the case when they changed to titanium? Or simply just more heat now....
Not sure. They have moved to titanium from stainless steel. Stainless steel was already a subpar choice when it comes to taking heat off devices. Over the years TDP of their mobile processors increased from 6W (A15 Bionic) to 9W (A18 Pro), with more power draw comes more heat, and new iPhone 15 and 16 series were often reported as devices that overheat. Kinda sad that Apple went this way, i would have preferred slower processor but more cool workflow. I really hope vapor chamber would be the optimal solution
 
I’m most likely in the minority but I actually think the Air’s camera plateau looks worse than the Pro’s! If you’re going to have a plateau at all, go all out and have a big one, like on the Pro. The shiny sides of the Air also look tacky to me, so I guess it’s what you personally consider ‘premium’. I’m cool with my iPhone being aluminium.
 
I just received the Apple clear case, but might return it. I have tried many brands in the past. What is important to me is it be thin and the buttons have to work easily. Pretty sure the Apple case buttons will work well but hate the large white thing on the case.

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Amazon just delivered the Encased 17 Air case w/ beltclip.

Looks very slender and should be great on my belt!

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The Pro used to have to be pro and premium. Now it's just pro, and the Air takes up the mantle of premium.

That's why you still have titanium on the Air, and the Pro is all about function and performance.
 
Weird question but someone please answer if possible.

Are the pros better built than the regular versions? I notice the paint chips fairly easily with the regular iPhones but the older ones did t have this issue like the 11 pro and former. The 12 and up started to hip pretty easily but the pros seems to not chip so much.

Also the 13 and 14 stainless steel, how do they hold up against the aluminum iPhones? I know it's costly to fix but how do they how up overall?
 
The Pro used to have to be pro and premium. Now it's just pro, and the Air takes up the mantle of premium.

That's why you still have titanium on the Air, and the Pro is all about function and performance.
Ah, that's why there are so much animosity against the Air even before we get them into our hands.

I don't really care what material is made out of or being premium or pro - I just want a phone that works for what I use it for.

If I really cared about being premium or Pro, I'd get a big house - that would appreciate instead of depreciating like an iPhone...
 
Ah, that's why there are so much animosity against the Air even before we get them into our hands.

I don't really care what material is made out of or being premium or pro - I just want a phone that works for what I use it for.

If I really cared about being premium or Pro, I'd get a big house - that would appreciate instead of depreciating like an iPhone...

Animosity against the Air? I’ve seen more against the Pros at this point! I still think they’ll be more popular, the Air won’t be the ‘it’ phone.
 
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LIke I said earlier, a cheap brick can be powerful and yield best performance. We are paying premium for a device so we expect premium look too.

Fiat Multipla unexpectedly good performance praised for its practicality and driving dynamics. But its design looks unconventional doesn't look premium. On the other hand a Honda civic has amazing performance, looks good and feels premium.

Apple decided to switch it back to aluminum for better performance and heat dissipation fair enough. But even with aluminum they could have added premium form factor like google pixel. So it looks powerful and beautiful. Polished Aluminum would have made one hell of a difference
Lol, a Honda Civic is NOT premium.
 
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