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Article: Cant Get An iPad 2? Blame It On Asians
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Someone needs a reading comprehension class. I was just listing some of the terms that came up, to substantiate my claim that there is bigotry in play here on MacRumors. Now go back to read the post you responded to again, and simmer.
agreed. today in NYC on the upper west side, i was able to get my ipad. chinese immigrants basically took up the whole line, clearly not interested in any apple product, no ipod, no iphone, no ipad. Stood there proudly with all of the above to keep me entertained. I got there before the majority and walked away with my new toy. get there early and you'll get what you want. couldn't resist buying a second though since the option was available...!
Props for standing out there in this weather and earning your iPad. The complainers here can learn from your example of putting in a little more effort than the guy behind you in line... get up early, get in line, get your iPad. Good going and thanks for sharing. Enjoy your device!
Cheers
Too bad, for most people, that jobs interfere with this strategy. Tough to compete with people who's only job is to stand in line.
Maybe Asian Americans pointing the finger at Asians immigrants?
It's true:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/12230526/
Apparently new chinese immigrants are turning his fancy Soho neighborhood into something of an eyesore with their chinese newspapers. Probably a new New Yorker transplant from the midwest, they have no idea what the city's all about. It just makes it worse that he's chinese.
Sure its tough to compete. When is competition not tough in America? You can't really complain when you won't put yourself in the game. You can take a day off if you REALLY wanted to, but I imagine you like others, value your jobs more than the iPad (and rightfully so).
Lets all keep this in perspective. These people may be scrapping to get these devices so they can put food on the table that night. I'm sure many would be glad to trade places with you and be at a job instead of being in line at apple stores.
Too bad so sad. I ordered mine at around 3am EST time Friday morning. I have had it for over a week now. No lines, no fuss, and more importantly I didn't have to stand in line with any dorks on their political soap box. WINNING!
Too bad so sad. I ordered mine at around 3am EST time Friday morning. I have had it for over a week now. No lines, no fuss, and more importantly I didn't have to stand in line with any dorks on their political soap box. WINNING!
I got mine too. And I only had to stand in line one hour on launch day, thanks to a Best Buy that had a clue how to run these things. But the main reason I was able to get one with little fuss was because there were no scalpers buying the store's entire inventory.
Oops sorry about that... I was in a rush out the door, I thought you are in support of some of the ridiculous arguments about buyers temperament or mind frame on the buyers which should have no bearing (as it should) on the impact of their own life. Who cares why or what others are doing with their own life. It's their right. Why are they so concern. I'm tired of reading the high moral ground on some of these people.. a slippery slope and own self serving interest to justify their own prejudice. Remind me of the people who rage on other people's believe.
i think the spirit of the article, was not to deride entire cultures, but was much more specific...
"can't get an ipad2? Blame it on (the (illegal)) Asians (standing in line all night working for some exporter pimp, spending someone else's money and ultimately not walking away with any ipad2's, and then repeating the process night after night, day after day)"
i sorta thought the part in parenthesis was satisfactorily implied in the article, but i guess when people see certain buzzwords they cannot help themselves from jumping to conclusions.
ultimately, suggesting that "getting up earlier" is a solution to the problem is inadequate, it still does not address the issue of these scalpers poaching inventory for foreign distribution on the grey market in lieu of actual consumers, most of them american citizens, having free and unfettered access to the inventory that has been specifically allocated for their purpose and access.
"can't get an ipad2? Blame it on (the (illegal)) Asians (standing in line all night working for some exporter pimp, spending someone else's money and ultimately not walking away with any ipad2's, and then repeating the process night after night, day after day)"
i sorta thought the part in parenthesis was satisfactorily implied in the article, but i guess when people see certain buzzwords they cannot help themselves from jumping to conclusions.
ultimately, suggesting that "getting up earlier" is a solution to the problem is inadequate, it still does not address the issue of these scalpers poaching inventory for foreign distribution on the grey market in lieu of actual consumers, most of them american citizens, having free and unfettered access to the inventory that has been specifically allocated for their purpose and access.
A wise guy huh? Surely you can understand that I was just giving an example.
Unless you've been checking the immigration status of everyone in line, the assumption that they are all "illegal" is wrong. Not only that, it's apparent that you have no clue on how "illegal" is even defined under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)...BTW it's not defined in there. Many people might not have legal status presently, but may have pending applications for their green cards. That doesn't necessarily make them "illegal" since they are in limbo until they get their applications approved. The use of that term is commonly missused by those without any understanding on how our immigration laws work.
In my prior post, its common for some resellers to hire the homeless and/or anyone else they can find to stand in line for $100. You might find quite a few US citizens in that line that also happen to be Asian American and homeless and I'm pretty sure they'd be offended by the fact that you are calling them "illegal" based on their race.
It's further proof that the implications in that article and the beliefs by many of the posters here are based on pure ignorance (not a slam, I'm simply stating that you simply weren't taught these sort of things in school. Most civil rights course are electives and even many US History classes fail to cover even the basics of the Civil Rights movement much less Asian American History). I apologize for helping to make this whole thread into a discussion on Asian American discrimination, race relations, and institutionalized racism in the media but the ignorance needed to be addressed. That's why many major corporations require their employees to attend certain classes regarding race relations. They are covering their legal butts because many people simply aren't aware that certain words and actions offend various minority groups.
i can't really control whether or not someone is offended. i can only control whether or not i am offended.
im not really interested in their legal status, so in reflection, perhaps i should not have added that to my earlier statements.
i know ive seen, objectively, a large proportion of asians in line, getting envelopes from some 3rd party, walking out with ipads and handing them over to someone else. it could be, i suppose, that they are not illegal, they may instead be on gov't aid or welfare or some other program that allows them the ability to make a living waiting in line....
i can objectively state a few things...
they are predominantly asian
they are not consumers
they are "working" as opposed to waiting
in many cases, they are buying 90-100% of the daily available inventory;
this inventory is largely being shipped out of the country (or at least suspected to be)
for a reasonable, working consumer, it is difficult to overcome the full court press of this organized and orchestrated onslaught through individual action...
im not saying any of this is illegal
im not saying laws need to be passed to prevent it
i am saying if these mules ARE illegal, they should be deported immediately
i am saying that, despite not breaking any laws, it still sucks.
i would not be opposed to verifying the immigration status of everyone in line actually - i think that's a great idea if it ensures everyday american citizen consumers (off all races) have a heightened chance of obtaining a unit from the american inventory allocation, instead of foreign countries grabbing a share of the american inventory allocation.
perhaps these mules should be operating through the small business channel for their supply, like other small businesses.
perhaps these mules and their employers should be investigated for legal hiring practices, tax reporting and accounting
i know i can't just buy software at the student rate because i'm not a student.
i also can't get a corp account because i'm not a corp.
so i go through consumer channels, designed for consumers.
what are these business people doing in the consumer channel?
im not really interested in their legal status, so in reflection, perhaps i should not have added that to my earlier statements.
i know ive seen, objectively, a large proportion of asians in line, getting envelopes from some 3rd party, walking out with ipads and handing them over to someone else. it could be, i suppose, that they are not illegal, they may instead be on gov't aid or welfare or some other program that allows them the ability to make a living waiting in line....
i can objectively state a few things...
they are predominantly asian
they are not consumers
they are "working" as opposed to waiting
in many cases, they are buying 90-100% of the daily available inventory;
this inventory is largely being shipped out of the country (or at least suspected to be)
for a reasonable, working consumer, it is difficult to overcome the full court press of this organized and orchestrated onslaught through individual action...
im not saying any of this is illegal
im not saying laws need to be passed to prevent it
i am saying if these mules ARE illegal, they should be deported immediately
i am saying that, despite not breaking any laws, it still sucks.
i would not be opposed to verifying the immigration status of everyone in line actually - i think that's a great idea if it ensures everyday american citizen consumers (off all races) have a heightened chance of obtaining a unit from the american inventory allocation, instead of foreign countries grabbing a share of the american inventory allocation.
perhaps these mules should be operating through the small business channel for their supply, like other small businesses.
perhaps these mules and their employers should be investigated for legal hiring practices, tax reporting and accounting
i know i can't just buy software at the student rate because i'm not a student.
i also can't get a corp account because i'm not a corp.
so i go through consumer channels, designed for consumers.
what are these business people doing in the consumer channel?
Verifying immigration status? A little much, maybe? I mean, its just an iPad, not some cure for cancer or the key to eternal life.
lol.
i know, its just an ipad. i actually got mine today finally. ordered online with the millions of others, 1:03am and waited my fair share, including an extra two days because fedex misrouted back to the midwest on me.
on one level, im not interested in verifying citizenship, but on another, more personal level, i wouldn't personally be put out by demonstrating my citizenship (i certainly do this whenever i travel out of the country without issue or debate or incident) and it would make me feel better knowing americans had first dibs on american inventory... presumably the product is released in the US first is for this reason, it is an american company, it is the largest market, etc....
why can't the chinese or russians or europeans wait their turn like grown ups?
i know, its just an ipad. i actually got mine today finally. ordered online with the millions of others, 1:03am and waited my fair share, including an extra two days because fedex misrouted back to the midwest on me.
on one level, im not interested in verifying citizenship, but on another, more personal level, i wouldn't personally be put out by demonstrating my citizenship (i certainly do this whenever i travel out of the country without issue or debate or incident) and it would make me feel better knowing americans had first dibs on american inventory... presumably the product is released in the US first is for this reason, it is an american company, it is the largest market, etc....
why can't the chinese or russians or europeans wait their turn like grown ups?
I'm not one of those people who think Apple never does anything wrong. I'm just saying I doubt Apple really has the time to take all these preventative measures to make sure one person does not get more than 2 iPads. And what are you going to do if one person brought a whole group of friends who are just going to buy the iPads for him? You can't do anything about it. Apple probably wouldn't even know because they'll think that everyone is just trying to get some iPads for themselves. If they stop allowing cash, they'll lose on sales. If they spend time opening it up in store (why is this necessary, again?), that takes time. They'll probably lose some sales if they start doing that too. Obviously these 'scalpers' are annoying for people who are waiting in line, but there isn't much you can do about it unless you hurt something in a certain way. (like rejecting cash). Technically, those 'scalpers' are customers as well.
I agree that they can do something, but they probably won't, and they don't really have to either. I'm sure with the iPhone, they'll make you activate it in the store (since its tied to your contract, account, etc) and that way it makes it easy to track who is buying what since you are only allowed to purchase iPhones on a card. I know I'm definitely going to be ordering online when iPhone 5 comes out lol