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When you think about it these numbers aren't that impressive.

So let's think 200,000 in 12 hours isn't impressive? That, if you didnt know, works out at nearly 300 a minute from just 1 carrier. Please let us know exactly what constitutes impressive in your book, chances are we won't agree.

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Redesigns deserve new numbers.

This is a simple "upgrade" or improvement like 3G to 3GS.


It is this kind of thinking that shows why so many commentators can never be taken seriously..

Take your basic ugly beige box pc. Now strip out its internals and put in a new motherboard, processor, and graphics card.

The box looks the same, but is it? No, of course it isn't.

Same goes for the 4S, only this time instead of an ugly beige box, you have the best looking phone in the world.
 
So let's think 200,000 in 12 hours isn't impressive? That, if you didnt know, works out at nearly 300 a minute from just 1 carrier. Please let us know exactly what constitutes impressive in your book, chances are we won't agree.

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It is this kind of thinking that shows why so many commentators can never be taken seriously..

Take your basic ugly beige box pc. Now strip out its internals and put in a new motherboard, processor, and graphics card.

The box looks the same, but is it? No, of course it isn't.

Same goes for the 4S, only this time instead of an ugly beige box, you have the best looking phone in the world.

True, but you cannot call it "ugly beige box pc"...you'd have to call it "SUPER ugly beige box PC".

It's still an ugly beige box...just like the iPhone 4S is still an iPhone 4 on the outside.

If you take a look at the iPhone, 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, and the future 5...you'll notice that there's a form-factor difference between iPhone and 3G and 3G/3GS and 4, and not 4/4S and 5.

That is how we define it. The S is for "a better iPhone X". Seems simple.
 
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Or possibly she's slower this year because when the iphone4 came out, everyone wanted the new design, (and this year it's only a spec bump) Make sense?

So you have some evidence contradicting AT&Ts claim? Not only is this their biggest launch, it is th first one with competition. The 4s launch will easily be double the size of the 4. Anti-fanboy fantasies of doom do not impact demand.

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Additional AI logic?

The RDF is still strong within this one... Siri running on 4S only is an arbitrary limitation imposed by Apple.

Share your evidence to support this. In fact jailbreak an iPhone 4 with iOS 5 and make Siri work for us. What you wouldn't even know where to begin? Weird, you seemed so confident.

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When you think about it these numbers aren't that impressive. It was available on 3 carriers this year. With that being said, anyone know where I can get a case for the 4s? haha. The ones advertised at the bottom of this page look kind of cool.

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Yeah I remember reading that you will be charged once it ships. When I woke up in the morning after preordering, I checked my bank online to see if my direct deposit was available and I saw the charge from AT&T.

Those numbers only include 1 of those 3 US carriers and also don't include the other 6 countries...
 
So much for the prognostications of some talking heads in tech that iPhone 4S sales would be a non-event. The rep at my Sprint store said demand crashed their servers.
 
In today's news:

Samsung is widely expected to report record profit from handset sales and overtake Apple as the world's biggest smartphone vendor in unit terms in the third quarter, after selling just about 1 million fewer smartphones than Apple in the second quarter.

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I do not think they are laughing at Apple these days. Those "plasticy" phones now outsell iPhone not to mention the fact that Samsung's flagship phone (SGSII) has been recently outselling iPhone in such critical markets as England and Japan (it as not available in U.S. until a few days ago).

Hmmm...I wonder if that has anything at all to do with the fact that Apple didn't release a new model for 16 months? Maybe.

I also wonder if it has something to do with the fact that Apple was selling two models to two carriers in the US while Samsung was selling dozens of models to all US carriers. Hmmm...a mystery is afoot!

Well, I'm sure Apple will be just fine knowing they had to two top-selling phones in the world: the iPhone 4 and the two-year-old iPhone 3GS. If they aren't satisfied with that, I'm sure the records that are soon to be set by the 4S, and the fact that they are soon to have the three top-selling models in the world will make them feel okay.

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So much for the prognostications of some talking heads in tech that iPhone 4S sales would be a non-event. The rep at my Sprint store said demand crashed their servers.

The guy at my Sprint store (which is normally a ghost town) told me I should plan on showing up 12 hours early and get in line because he had pages of names lined up for pre-orders.

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When you think about it these numbers aren't that impressive. It was available on 3 carriers this year.

Wait...you realize that the 200,000 quoted was just AT&T's numbers, right? Those numbers don't include Verizon, Sprint, Apple, Best Buy, etc. You are aware of that, right?

Because if it's not clear enough, take a look at the name of this story: "AT&T alone sees 200,000 iPhone 4S Preorders in the first 12 hours, their most successful."
 
Anyone who finds the sales success a surprise has been in a cave for the last few years.

It's not about the phone it's about the fact that ...like the fan boys always say, customers don't care about specs, they just want the phone.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the comeback is "It's all about the experience" to which I agree.

That why my friends that are into smartphones are really loving their new SGS2's ... I know mine is fast as a rocket and lots of fun.

But it's a no-no to speak freely in these parts. It's all about being a lover of walled gardens... and closed eco systems..ha..ha..ha...

Yeah, I passed on the lame 4S, but will be ready for the next model. Apple can't afford to be lazy with that one.... :)
 
Anyone who finds the sales success a surprise has been in a cave for the last few years.

It's not about the phone it's about the fact that ...like the fan boys always say, customers don't care about specs, they just want the phone.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the comeback is "It's all about the experience" to which I agree.

That why my friends that are into smartphones are really loving their new SGS2's ... I know mine is fast as a rocket and lots of fun.

But it's a no-no to speak freely in these parts. It's all about being a lover of walled gardens... and closed eco systems..ha..ha..ha...

Yeah, I passed on the lame 4S, but will be ready for the next model. Apple can't afford to be lazy with that one.... :)

Yeah, virus-free walled gardens with apps that aren't just wallpaper apps and having the perfect end-user experience sucks!

I want a wild wild wasteland where every app download is an adventure! Will this one steal my identity? Will this one brick my phone? Oooooo! Fun!
 
Hate to say it but the Death of Steve Jobs so soon after the announcement of the iPhone 4s surely helped spur the sales of this thing. If nothing else, it kept Apple in the news. Front page news at that!
 
Hate to say it but the Death of Steve Jobs so soon after the announcement of the iPhone 4s surely helped spur the sales of this thing. If nothing else, it kept Apple in the news. Front page news at that!

Or the fact that it's a vastly improved phone.
 
Ooops! Apple did it again.
Steve is smiling, watching a new record-setting launch from his (i)Cloud...
 
Wait...you realize that the 200,000 quoted was just AT&T's numbers, right? Those numbers don't include Verizon, Sprint, Apple, Best Buy, etc. You are aware of that, right?

It also doesn't include the 6 other countries where the initial pre orders occurred.

They will easily pass the 1,000,000 mark in the first 24 hours. Truly earth shattering sales numbers for a handset. Any handset. Ever...
 
Whatever. You haters are going to hate. I'm on AT&T and going to be upgrading from an iPhone 3G to the 4S. Might seem like a small upgrade for you folks on the iPhone 4, who have the luxury of upgrading each year, but for someone like me who has had their iPhone for 3+ years now, this is a major step forward.

You just paid AT&T $240 in subsidy for a phone that you already paid for ($20 x 12 months). Always upgrade right after the 2 year agreement.
 
I wonder if the nexus prime or galaxy, I mean plasticy sIII will sell like this. hahahahahahahaha

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I am buying the 4s, but all these replies are just stupid. Sales don't dictate quality of the product. The nexus prime which will be released soon will no doubt be a much better phone, however it will not sell nearly as much. You're just displaying how limited your knowledge is. People were disappointed in the phone. Very few people actually claimed there would be decline in sales because the majority of consumers are not tech enthusiasts. And based on what I've seen on this thread neither are a lot of the people posting.

And before you continue your onslaught of idiotic comments the nexus prime is expected to have stainless steel backing as opposed to plastic.
 
I am buying the 4s, but all these replies are just stupid. Sales don't dictate quality of the product. The nexus prime which will be released soon will no doubt be a much better phone, however it will not sell nearly as much. You're just displaying how limited your knowledge is. People were disappointed in the phone. Very few people actually claimed there would be decline in sales because the majority of consumers are not tech enthusiasts. And based on what I've seen on this thread neither are a lot of the people posting.

And before you continue your onslaught of idiotic comments the nexus prime is expected to have stainless steel backing as opposed to plastic.

So i guess lack of sales make it a great product?
 
So i guess lack of sales make it a great product?

Works both ways.

Something selling very well, such as Windows OS, iPhone, Android etc etc, doesn't mean it's necessarily the best.

Some things sell less well, and are better products than what the competition produce at a similar price, ie Macbooks, any Shakespeare book vs current chick flics etc etc.


These arguments are pretty much useless. 200k preorders is good for AT&T, but considering the SGS2 sold 18M units in the last quarter, it puts things in perspective.
 
Hate to say it but the Death of Steve Jobs so soon after the announcement of the iPhone 4s surely helped spur the sales of this thing. If nothing else, it kept Apple in the news. Front page news at that!

A Steve Jobs at full health presenting the iPhone 4S in his usual style, instead of Tim Cook, who most likely will do better presentations on days where he doesn't stare at an empty chair in the audience marked as "reserved" for his mentor of many years who he knows is dieing right at that time, that would have helped sales more.

And don't say "hate to say it". If you hate to say something, don't say it.
 
These arguments are pretty much useless. 200k preorders is good for AT&T, but considering the SGS2 sold 18M units in the last quarter, it puts things in perspective.

That comparison is also pretty much useless. You can't compare the number of preorders in 12 hours (for one carrier) to the total number of units sold in a full quarter, and then say the preorders are just "good".

Now I'm not saying the 4S is going to do better than 18M units sold, but at least wait until the quarter has passed before comparing.
 
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For the sake of not being a hypocrite. I was a little disappointed by the upgrade. (Hey i can't change my initial reaction) However i have come to see this is still a nice upgrade and am not at all surprised at the amount of sales.

Which part do you disagree with Andoid and iOS being different or iOS clearly dominating user experience?

Those both seem like valid claims to me. IOS devices have by far the highest customer satisfaction and mak up more than 50% of mobile web browsing ( that share continues to increase). To me, since Android claims such high 'activation' number (whatever that is), this means iOS mus completely dominate Android in terms of usability and user experience. Do you have som contrary evidence?

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Works both ways.

Something selling very well, such as Windows OS, iPhone, Android etc etc, doesn't mean it's necessarily the best.

Some things sell less well, and are better products than what the competition produce at a similar price, ie Macbooks, any Shakespeare book vs current chick flics etc etc.


These arguments are pretty much useless. 200k preorders is good for AT&T, but considering the SGS2 sold 18M units in the last quarter, it puts things in perspective.

Too bad you are misinformed or just lied. The S2 numbers are 10 million S2 in about 6 months. 18 million smartphones last quarter across about 100 models, and that number seems rather dubious. Why does it seem all android fans are incapable of doing even basic fact checking. Could their blatant misstatements be intentional?
 
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Which part do you disagree with Andoid and iOS being different or iOS clearly dominating user experience?

Those both seem like valid claims to me. IOS devices have by far the highest customer satisfaction and mak up more than 50% of mobile web browsing ( that share continues to increase). To me, since Android claims such high 'activation' number (whatever that is), this means iOS mus completely dominate Android in terms of usability and user experience. Do you have som contrary evidence?

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Too bad you are misinformed or just lied. The S2 numbers are 10 million S2 in about 6 months. 18 million smartphones last quarter across about 100 models, and that number seems rather dubious.

Dubious because its not Apple?* Samsung is releasing Q3 numbers in a few days, and have reported that they will break all estimations, likely overtaking Apple as #1 seller. As for 5 months, that is correct [edit: you were wrong, as they broke 10M in less than 5, but who cares]. What is also correct, however, is that the last 5M (half) of those sales were achieved in the last 8 weeks; i.e., were seeing an increase in sales (first 3M took about as long as last 5M).

And yes, they sell more devices. But selling more devices is not necessarily better than selling few. Theres an obvious trade off at play, and with both actors free to choose between the two routes, well.. lets just close that debate before it even begins**.

Fact of the matter is Samsung is on a roll. (I really dont give a... personally, i have no interest in owning an Android device. Must say though that the SII is a nice device all-in-all.).

* shipped is shipped, and Samsung (and carriers) have little reason to incur costs just to look good. At least long-term. SII is selling very well, and getting very nice attention, which, in itself, is understandable as it is a beautiful device, with a stunning (albeit saturated) screen.

** e.g., if Apple sold say, 5-6 different iphones, sales of their high-end device would, for obvious reasons, be cannibalized. Common sense, so lets stop pretending things are something they're not. Okay?
 
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