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Sure. I don't disagree with the principle but, in the context of the thread it sure seems like you're trying to smear the blame for a single vendor, single model problem around. Especially so when you decide to post in a huge bold font. It sure seems like an attempt at distraction and topic dilution.
No I acknowledge Samsung has a big issue here, but Apple in the past has also had battery failures causing ignition in iPhone, MacBooks etc. One failure in my book is serious no matter what brand we talk about. It's not topic dilution. Samsung has irrevocably damaged its Note brand and potentially its whole brand after replacement devices are reported faulty.

My point is battery design is flawed in all phones and this is a wake up to industry to make moves now to using 100% safely encased battery packs.

I used super sized fonts to highlight how serious this issue really is.
 
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This is silly. "at least one report suggests the replacement devices are also prone to problems." Not "at least" one report - it's only one report, and we don't even know officially why that phone burned. The over-reaction to this Southwest Note 7 is crazy. At least wait for an official diagnosis as to why it happened before jumping off the Note 7 cliff. (and I'm not a Sammy lover at all - but this reaction just seems crazy to me)
 
No I acknowledge Samsung has a big issue here, but Apple in the past has also had battery failures causing ignition in iPhone, MacBooks etc. One failure in my book is serious no matter what brand we talk about. It's not topic dilution. Samsung has irrevocably damaged its Note brand and potentially its whole brand after replacement devices are reported faulty.

My point is battery design is flawed in all phones and this is a wake up to industry to make moves now to using 100% safely encased battery packs.

I used super sized fonts to highlight how serious this issue really is.

Everyone has had them and everyone will as long as they use these types of battery cell. There's no dispute there. However, by the numbers no company has had the kind of disaster Samsung has had with the Note 7. You know this though, and I can only imagine you that you know continual attempts at conflating this with more usual rates of failure actually has the opposite effect than the one you intend to achieve. People don't like when others make very obvious attempts to deceive.
 
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Everyone has had them and everyone will as long as they use these types of battery cell. There's no dispute there. However, by the numbers no company has had the kind of disaster Samsung has had with the Note 7. You know this though, and I can only imagine you that you know continual attempts at conflating this with more usual rates of failure actually has the ooposite effect than the one you intend to achieve. People don't like when others make very obvious attempts to deceive.
I'm not conflating anything. Nor am I engaging in deception. Such exaggeration.

One samsung replacement device has caught on fire. No other reports of replacement devices.

But overall the industry has a big problem. These batteries are essentially encased and wrapped in thin plastics. That needs to change. THERE HAS TO BE A MUCH BETTER WAY.
 
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Feature not a bug. Winter is coming.

Yeah... Winter is coming...
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But overall the industry has a big problem

Not really, no. It'd be convenient for your narrative but, no, "the industry" doesn't have a "big problem". What other phone merited announcements before and during every flight? No point in diversions, conflation or any other self-defeating nonsense here. Just answer, which other device does "the industry have huge problems" that makes them useless for air travel?

Let's be clear here. This is a Samsung Galaxy Note problem.
 
If there are problems with the replacements, the note 7 is finished , by the time a version without issues is released, consumer faith will have deteriorated . The note 8 is gonna have to be issue free.

Samsung is gonna loose out from a consumer trust point of view also, this has massive reprecussions, the note sales themselves are not even the big picture.
 
Not really, no. It'd be convenient for your narrative but, no, "the industry" doesn't have a "big problem". What other phone merited announcements before and during every flight? No point in diversions, conflation or any other self-defeating nonsense here. Just answer, which other device does "the industry have huge problems" that makes them useless for air travel?

Let's be clear here. This is a Samsung Galaxy Note problem.
Reread my comment about Samsung to get my feelings. But no, the industry really does have a big problem. I don't want my device batteries made so cheaply, they are just wrapped in plastics. I want industry to make more durable battery packs. All brands. Period.
 
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Reread my comment about Samsung to get my feelings. But no, the industry really does have a big problem. I don't want my device batteries made so cheaply, they are just wrapped in plastics. I want industry to make more durable battery packs. All brands. Period.

That's what I thought :rolleyes: Arguing for safer batteries is like arguing for safer cars. No sane person would say no. Attempting to conflate a Volvo with a Pinto, what you keep attempting with nonsense, font sizes and bold, is garbage. I'm bored of it now and it's completely transparent. Honestly, give it a rest, Samsung will be fine
 
Sad that so many macrumors members are reading and commenting here with satisfaction over Samsungs issues. Deplorable.

The glee & gloating over perceived superiority of product or person has no bounds but is usually a waste of time and short lived.

Anyone can google the cases of iPhones catching fire, most recently in March on a flight from WA to Hawaii.
As I've said elsewhere, the problem lies in the nature of Li-Ion batteries. It can hit any manufacturer.
 
The glee & gloating over perceived superiority of product or person has no bounds but is usually a waste of time and short lived.

Anyone can google the cases of iPhones catching fire, most recently in March on flight from WA to Hawaii.
As I've said elsewhere, the problem lies in the nature of Li-Ion batteries. It can hit any manufacturer.

Are you honestly unable to understand the concept of scale? Do you honestly think Samsung pulled millions of phones from the market for a problem in the scale that can "hit any manufacturer"? Do you genuinely not understand this or are you being dishonest?
 
Samsung better enjoy the good quarter while it can, the next one won't be so pretty!

I saw the latest Samsung earnings report. Yes, they managed to squeeze in another "profitable" quarter. But their brand image is taking a huge hit.
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just when you thought it couldn't get worse.. really doesn't get much worse than a fire on an airplane

No, it can't get any worse….. unless the upcoming Samsung Galaxy Note 8 releases snakes on a plane.
 
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What is this world coming to? With exploding washers and flaming phones, the important question is really, when are the executives of Samsung going to start doing a high-dive off their buildings. What has happened to Asian culture?
 
There's a report out saying the battery is too big for the case. So it may be a design flaw limited to that phone.
Could be, also they may have pushed the energy density too far which makes lion more fragile and more likely to short circuit. Another possibility is they raised capacity by raising the total charge voltage which gives much less margin of error when charging at higher temps.
 
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