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AT&T Files Complaint Against Verizon Over 3G Coverage Map Commercials

Krizoitz said:
Yeah, I hate how the government regulates the food industry so I end up with actual beef instead of dead rat meat in things like sausage.
I hate how they regulate the useage of pesticides like DDT so I don't get sick from eating vegetables.
I hate how they built a continent spanning network of high speed road ways so I could easily travel around the country.
I hate how they broke up the AT&T phone monopoly so we can even be HAVING this discussion on which wireless provider to use.
I hate how they regulate drug trials so Tylenol doesn't kill me.
I hate how I get free delivery of all my mail, whereever I live. Unless I want to send something I don't pay a dime.
I hate things like lemon laws whcih prevent car dealers from selling me a "new" car that will fail by the time I drive it home.
I hate how we have cleaner air because corporations can't just dump whatever crap into they want, cleaner water for the same reason.
I hate how I don't die at traffic intersections because there are street lights, heck it would be so much better if the government didn't regulate who could drive so all those people who get sloshed at bars would have the freedom to run over the rest of us while driving drunk.

Actually i don't hate any of those things. You know what I do hate? People who think the only options are "Yay leisz fairre capitalsm" and "Boo evil totalitarian socialism". Especially since BOTH extremes are bad. Government regulation isn't inherently bad OR good, its all in how its used and whether or not its abused. De-regulation is the same, heck if you need proof of that, look at the financial crisis, bank deregulation led to that.

So tommorow morning when you eat your pesticide and poisin free cereal, and drink your arsenic free coffee I hope you will take the time to reflect that golly gosh gee, not everything the government does is bad and that sometimes its actually quite good.

If you really think letting buisnesses have their way is the better option, I suggest you do some research on what life was like during the industrial revolution and turn of the century America. Sweatshop labor, child labor, no minimum wage, no breaks, 6 day work week, 10+ hours a day, no insurance, no health care, no middle class. The rich did really well, the rest? Not so much.
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I think you are projecting there a little with the part I bolded, seeing how every single item in your post slants one way. Of course, you probably didn't notice when you wrote it. Classic.
 
TMar said:
I don't blame them the map they show is inaccurate to begin with.
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Care to point out exactly how the maps are inaccurate. In fact I'm pretty sure they aren't arguing about that. Its simply about how they are presented and how consumers are too dumb to realize its a data network comparison not actual voice network coverage.
 
Small White Car said:
A still frame is not a TV ad.

Voice overs, titles, and timing all create something quite different from looking at a JPEG. If you actually watch the ad they are clearly trying make you think that blue = "can use an iPhone" and white = "can't use an iPhone."

In addition, how can the viewer fully forget Verizon's other main set of current ads?

When I see a bunch of ads where a non-verizon customer has NO coverage at all, that plays into my thoughts as I'm later watching a comercial with that map. The entire campaign is one thing. What you see in other ads alters what you're thinking as you view this one.



Another EXCELLENT point. I'd guess a LOT of people think that 3G = internet.
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I just watched this commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37NKnDRPFKU

and it said 3G like 4 or 5 times.. so it's not misleading..
 
xhambonex said:
Care to point out exactly how the maps are inaccurate. In fact I'm pretty sure they aren't arguing about that. Its simply about how they are presented and how consumers are too dumb to realize its a data network comparison not actual voice network coverage.
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The AT&T 3g map doesn't show all of their 3g coverage. I can only speak of the areas that I have personally had 3g service on AT&T and they show non of them in Ky. Even if you compare the maps from the commercial to AT&T's own coverage maps, they are not even close. Your crazy if you don't believe that they would skimp on the "coverage" maps for AT&T and embellish on their own.

I never said that this was what the suit was about now did I. I said I don't blame them for it.
 
Krizoitz said:
Yeah, I hate how the government regulates the food industry so I end up with actual beef instead of dead rat meat in things like sausage.
I hate how they regulate the useage of pesticides like DDT so I don't get sick from eating vegetables.
I hate how they built a continent spanning network of high speed road ways so I could easily travel around the country.
I hate how they broke up the AT&T phone monopoly so we can even be HAVING this discussion on which wireless provider to use.
I hate how they regulate drug trials so Tylenol doesn't kill me.
I hate how I get free delivery of all my mail, whereever I live. Unless I want to send something I don't pay a dime.
I hate things like lemon laws whcih prevent car dealers from selling me a "new" car that will fail by the time I drive it home.
I hate how we have cleaner air because corporations can't just dump whatever crap into they want, cleaner water for the same reason.
I hate how I don't die at traffic intersections because there are street lights, heck it would be so much better if the government didn't regulate who could drive so all those people who get sloshed at bars would have the freedom to run over the rest of us while driving drunk.

Actually i don't hate any of those things. You know what I do hate? People who think the only options are "Yay leisz fairre capitalsm" and "Boo evil totalitarian socialism". Especially since BOTH extremes are bad. Government regulation isn't inherently bad OR good, its all in how its used and whether or not its abused. De-regulation is the same, heck if you need proof of that, look at the financial crisis, bank deregulation led to that.

So tommorow morning when you eat your pesticide and poisin free cereal, and drink your arsenic free coffee I hope you will take the time to reflect that golly gosh gee, not everything the government does is bad and that sometimes its actually quite good.

If you really think letting buisnesses have their way is the better option, I suggest you do some research on what life was like during the industrial revolution and turn of the century America. Sweatshop labor, child labor, no minimum wage, no breaks, 6 day work week, 10+ hours a day, no insurance, no health care, no middle class. The rich did really well, the rest? Not so much.
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So how is all of that regulation working out for you? Apparently not so well considering all of you liberals whine about wanting more and more of it...

How about people standing up for what they believe in instead of running to mommy-government when they don't get their iPhone on Verizon or lead paint on their Chinese imported toys?

Your whole argument is flawed. More regulation doesn't make things safer, bad people will ALWAYS do bad things like using rat meat or dumping chemicals in water supplies... Why not create a new law against breaking laws, that surely will solve the problem.

When ABC, Inc is discovered dumping crap in your local creek / stream, stop buying their products to show your discontent... instead, you still give them your money because your selfish wants outweigh your ethics and you think mommy-government should stop it so you can still have all you want.

Pathetic.

I laugh my hind-end off at the hypocrisy here... Everyone whines about about how Apple can't stop you from installing OS X on your hackintosh and you don't care if it's legal or not... yet, you want more regulations and expect other people (those big, bad, evil capitalist corporations that built this country) to obey them, when you clearly don't yourselves...

Even more pathetic.
 
Wow. There is so much muddslinging among all these companies and even forum members it's a joke. Apple, AT&T, Verizon, Microsoft whatever. They all have half truths or try to misslead potential customers by making there product appear better than it is, and competing products appear worse.

I know it won't get thrown out of court, but it should. Maybe a good ruling would be that all of these POS companies (and I mean ALL of them in these industries) are forbidden to advertise on TV for a while. Maybe that would shut them up.
 
Wow, such silly examples you give. You must love the nanny state, I mean your first example is about beef, Grade A beef is like the lowest common denominator, it means practically nothing. Government come save us from the evil phone companies -- OH WAIT, government and the phone companies are already in bed and screwing the people.

Wake up. Fascism IS HERE...

Krizoitz said:
Yeah, I hate how the government regulates the food industry so I end up with actual beef instead of dead rat meat in things like sausage.
I hate how they regulate the useage of pesticides like DDT so I don't get sick from eating vegetables.
I hate how they built a continent spanning network of high speed road ways so I could easily travel around the country.
I hate how they broke up the AT&T phone monopoly so we can even be HAVING this discussion on which wireless provider to use.
I hate how they regulate drug trials so Tylenol doesn't kill me.
I hate how I get free delivery of all my mail, whereever I live. Unless I want to send something I don't pay a dime.
I hate things like lemon laws whcih prevent car dealers from selling me a "new" car that will fail by the time I drive it home.
I hate how we have cleaner air because corporations can't just dump whatever crap into they want, cleaner water for the same reason.
I hate how I don't die at traffic intersections because there are street lights, heck it would be so much better if the government didn't regulate who could drive so all those people who get sloshed at bars would have the freedom to run over the rest of us while driving drunk.

Actually i don't hate any of those things. You know what I do hate? People who think the only options are "Yay leisz fairre capitalsm" and "Boo evil totalitarian socialism". Especially since BOTH extremes are bad. Government regulation isn't inherently bad OR good, its all in how its used and whether or not its abused. De-regulation is the same, heck if you need proof of that, look at the financial crisis, bank deregulation led to that.

So tommorow morning when you eat your pesticide and poisin free cereal, and drink your arsenic free coffee I hope you will take the time to reflect that golly gosh gee, not everything the government does is bad and that sometimes its actually quite good.

If you really think letting buisnesses have their way is the better option, I suggest you do some research on what life was like during the industrial revolution and turn of the century America. Sweatshop labor, child labor, no minimum wage, no breaks, 6 day work week, 10+ hours a day, no insurance, no health care, no middle class. The rich did really well, the rest? Not so much.
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Antares said:
Makes sense. When I see that ad, it does actually make me think that AT&T has no cell coverage outside of those blue areas, not just 3G. And I know better. Yet, every time I see that ad, I still inherently think that there is no AT&T voice coverage, either, in all those white areas of the map. This is definitely misleading. AT&T is in the right, here.

Note: I have Sprint as my cell provider. So, the point is moot to me.
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I find it weak to say that because people begin to assume therefore the ad is misleading. Ads always target what people inherently think. AT&T needs to wipe their mangina and move on and build on creating a better network.

Note: I have Rogers as my cell provider. So, the point is moot to me.:p
 
AidenShaw said:
What's that to say about Steve Jobs' decision to limit the Iphone to one radio protocol only, rather than using the multi-band chips that were available?
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Ah, MacRumors' official Devil's Advocate again. :rolleyes:

Surely you realize that multi-band phones are the exception and not the rule? (Though you wouldn't admit it.)

But I assume your favorite phone (whatever it may be, certainly not one with an Apple logo on it) is a fully-democratized multi-band phone?
 
Krizoitz said:
Government regulation isn't inherently bad OR good, its all in how its used and whether or not its abused. De-regulation is the same, heck if you need proof of that, look at the financial crisis, bank deregulation led to that.
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Are you kidding me?! That statement demonstrates how lacking you are in your understanding of this entire situation. I can't blame you entirely though, for all I know, MSNBC might be the only channel you get.

Forcing financial institutions to provide mortgages to those who shouldn't have had them in an attempt to regulate equality is the root cause. No bank in their right mind would give these people (population of people, don't race bait) loans because they were simply high risk / bad loads. Mommy-government stepped in, forced them to provide these loans and woolah, welcome in the train wreck.

The only additional regulation I support is taking away the right of stupid people to vote... My goodness.

Oh, and just so this stays on the topic of Mac's... I wrote this on an 24" iMac that was bought and paid for via capitalism and I didn't harm any children, animals or the environment in the process.
 
darthraige said:
Wow. If consumers are dumb enough to think that there is no coverage outside the 3G areas, then.... ? ... Just wow. hahaha
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"No one ever lost money underestimating the gullibility of the public." (H. L. Mencken...any way it's true)
 
AppleMojo said:
Your whole argument is flawed. More regulation doesn't make things safer, bad people will ALWAYS do bad things like using rat meat or dumping chemicals in water supplies... Why not create a new law against breaking laws, that surely will solve the problem.
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His argument is pretty dead on, excepting that mail delivery isn't free last I paid my bills.

Regulation is a nessesity. Period. Too much will great huge problems, as will too little. The telcom industry has gone through a period of deregulation which is generally good, but now we are having issues with companies caring more about profit, less about service, and using underhanded practices to lure and keep customers.

The last of those three is the one that needs regulation. Consumers shouldn't have to pay termination fees to switch carriers. They must have an option to start service without a contract. And they should be able to use there fully paid for and 100% owned phone on whatever carrier they choose(if technically feasable). Only then will the consumers power of choice allow the (almost)free market to work.
 
Why doesn't ATT spend it's money upgrading the system rather than spending it on lawsuits???
 
AppleMojo said:
For me, random number generation is just too darn important to be left up to chance.
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It's so nice to meet a kindred spirit who realizes how important it is that random numbers are absolutely predictable. The cosmos would collapse if we didn't know what the next random number will be....
 
reunification of the stifling telco monopoly is iminent

Well it doesn't much matter; AT&T will buy Verizon within the next few years and the reunification of the stifling telco monopoly will be complete.
 
MorphingDragon said:
This was surprising? Is GSM that sad in America?
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You are comparing Hong Kong to the entire U.S.? Hong Kong is the size of New York City, so that is a better comparison, and I would think the 3G coverage in the City is similar to that of Hong Kong.

That is no excuse for not having coverage across the entire country, but having coverage in remote mountain areas can't be compared to a large metropolitan area.
 
AT&T please stop wasting your money with lawsuits and put more back into your network. Its decent for me (in the bay area) but could use improvement.
 
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