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Why do you think that adding a new iPhone will change or up your RATE plan? Because it wont, your original RATE plan will remain unchanged and the new iPhone data will just be added to the line with the 3G iPhone.

The new plans listed on the At&t iPhone site are for NEW customers.

I wouldn't be adding a new iPhone, I would be "retiring" my current EDGE iPhone and getting a 3G iPhone. I tend to use the words "RATE" and "DATA" interchangeably...so, in other words, my DATA (sometimes I say "rate") plan would increase to $15.00 more a month. That would be to take advantage of the 3G network, and to add texting.

This is the cheapest it would come out to if I picked the cheapest rate. So I'll save myself the extra 15 bucks a month and NOT go for the 3G and corresponding rate, er....DATA plan changes. Yes, I would then be eligible for the discounted rate, but I'd still be out the $199.00 up front for the new 3G 8GB iPhone. So the discount may save me xx every month (unsure what that would be) but the UPFRONT costs to get there just don't make sense for my situation. The discount would, in my mind, need to counterbalance the extra $15.00 a month for switching up to 3G - which it won't, of course - so I'd still be out of pocket a few bucks more a month than I'm paying now.

I'll leave well enough alone for now and wait a year.;)
 
His frustration is that he went through all this effort to get the FAN discount to only find out it doesn't apply to the iPhone. Then he reads that the iPhone is going to get the FAN discount only to find out it only applies to the 3G version (even if there's a fair reason it's still frustrating). He was just hoping to get a decent discount. Also - his plan would go up since he'd, at best, get $6 off per month but the bill would go up $10 (for the new data plan).

Thank you!:D
 
Actually they don't. There's a few places that get a better deal (the UK, Switzerland) but most everyone else is just as bad, if not worse (ask the Canadians...) These prices are about on par, maybe a little higher but still not even close to the worst pricing (again, ask the Canadians)

The iPhone will roll out in over 70 countries by year-end compared to 22 on 7/11. I think it might be Apple's way to help carriers that can't/won't compete with lower prices of other countries to give them the first crack at selling the iPhone. Otherwise, customers would scream bloody murder if they know it will be much cheaper the total costs will be elsewhere.

Many posts keep noting that the price isn't that bad. I'll politely disagree. I'm mostly an American dissatisfied with cellular/broadband companies and lobbyists interested in capping/metering/limiting of Internet Access under the guise of "Net Neutrality".
 
No Commitment.

I didn't read every single page of this thread, but in case it wasn't posted before...
And sorry if I over looked something and this was already mentioned...

As this states...
"AT&T says a "no-commitment" iPhone is "coming soon."

"AT&T also says that a "no-commitment" (read: no contract) iPhone 3G will be available soon, at $599 for the 8GB version and or $699 for the 16GB handset. Pricey, but hey-no two-year contract.

Unfortunately, AT&T won't offer the new iPhone on a prepaid basis, at least not at launch."
 
He did not make them cheaper, nor make them cost less. He made them MORE AFFORDABLE.

Which is exactly what he said he did and exactly what you seem to be taking him to task for...

So he did what he said he did, yet you claim he didn't because he didn't do something he didn't say he did.

How did he make it more affordable? Please do not give me the $199 BS. It is tied to a contract with increased prices, which you and I and everyone else knows is not more affordable.
 
Maybe you'd prefer to listen to "It's a Small World" a million more times?

And for those that think that "Worldwide rollout" and "Worldwide pricing" means U.S./AT&T:
I'm wondering about last year, in only the U.S., when everyone was complaining and outraged that Apple dropped the price of the device by $200: The plans stayed the same, so Total Cost of Ownership went down $200 total, how many people here complained "The cost of the iPhone went down almost 10%!! ($200 out of over $2,000) After two months!! And I'm a loyal customer and they're *whatever*-ing me!!" My guess is zero people said that, and I'm sure very few. No, everyone, or most, complained that "The cost went down 1/3 after two months! They're *whatever*-ing us, the loyal Apple customer base!!" Because ... "cost of the phone" = ummm.. "cost of the PHONE." The 3G iPhone DOES cost $199 "for most people in most of the world," or whatever. I'm disappointed that the AT&T PLAN costs more than what I currently pay for the Edge iPhone, and I'm not happy that I'm forced to be with AT&T without any pricing perks, and of course anyone who signs ANY cell phone contract should think about whether they can/want to pay the cost for the entire length of the contract, but the PHONE is cheaper.


Do you think Apple is kicking themselves for locking in ATT in the US?
 
You are correct. If you just want to upgrade from the old iphone data plan and lose text messages you will only be paying $10 more per line. If you want to keep the 200 text messages you will be paying $15 more per line.
Don't forget all existing AT&T customers are paying the $18 upgrade fee, too. So, in effect, it's an additional $28 for the first month, and then $10 for each subsequent month. Overall, not too bad, especially for me, as I couldn't care less about text messages and never used them in the old plan, even when they were included.
 
Side question

I am still trying to determine if the iPhone is what I need. Can the iPhone do these few things:

1. Can I use the iPhone with my MacBook to get online? I can do this now with my Motorola phone via bluetooth. The only thing is it is at dial-up/networks speeds. Can the iPhone lend its 3G access to the laptop?

2. Can I access my other email accounts (non-.Mac accounts) without purchasing the business plan? What are the requirements?

3. If I can only purchase one phone in line but wanted to purchase additional phones for family but some of them are under 18 how do they qualify/get a phone? Is there an age limit for these contracts?

4. Is it possible to do a PowerPoint/Keynote lecture with an LCD projector, moving about in front of a thousand students, all from the iPhone or do I still need that laptop?
 
How did he make it more affordable? Please do not give me the $199 BS. It is tied to a contract with increased prices, which you and I and everyone else knows is not more affordable.
The iPhone 3G is far more expensive than before. Once again, Steve used his mastery of the RDF to make everyone think that it was more affordable.

Just goes to show you that Apple can be as evil and money-hungry as any other corporation out there.
 
The iPhone 3G is far more expensive than before. Once again, Steve used his mastery of the RDF to make everyone think that it was more affordable.

Just goes to show you that Apple can be as evil and money-hungry as any other corporation out there.

I agree...Maybe he should change his last name to Gates.
 
It's obvious now why they couldn't leave the original EDGE phone and plans as an option; no one would buy them. Also obvious why the original phones became unavailable a month ago. Had they still been for sale, if this information leaked, or even upon announcement, most people awaiting a 3G iPhone would have run out and bought EDGE iPhones. Few people really need 3G or real GPS as opposed to tower-triangulation positioning.

Fascinating observation. Yes, being an early adopter when it came to the iPhone seems sweeter than ever, especially considering the cheaper 4GB model (which I bought day one) and kicking in the rebate that came several months later, I'm pretty darn happy - and paying 60 bucks a month for the cheapest AT&T plan. Of course, I'll probably have to kiss all that goodbye come iPhone 3G version 2.0 which, I assume, will come out by the time my current 2 year contract expires - unless my current EDGE iPhone can just be "rolled over" for another 2 years for the same rate!
 
If it matters. I work for a big university and contacted our account rep. She said the following about FAN discounts.

"Guess what, I just got communication that the discount will apply to
monthly service for the 3G devices only, not the current 2G iphone. Now
the only problem is getting a device when it is does come available
because it is going to be a challenge :)"

She also said it's a discount for the voice and data.

I don't trust ATT, so I can't believe anything they say until I see it on my bill. But she is an account rep for a large university and not just a store CSR, so... but if it holds up, that's great for iPhone 3G customers who are eligible for a FAN discount.
 
Un-Apple

Apple charges exorbitant prices, but plays fair. That’s a popular opinion among consumers who’ve grown accustomed to the trendy company’s “elitist egalitarian” approach to selling computers, digital media devices, and now mobile phones.

Any person can own a piece of shiny Apple gear, and every person who decides to buy in will pay the same high prices for admission to the club. That’s equal opportunity exploitation, and it defines Apple’s brand cachet, along with the company’s consumer-friendly, easy-to-grok retail experience.

But with new AT&T stipulations announced Tuesday regarding the pricing and policies of iPhone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone 3G plans, many would-be buyers of the newly upgraded Apple device are shaking their heads in dismay. This time around, AT&T has set some new rules, and they’re not exactly one-price-fits-all or comprehensible. Apple customers old and new are about to say goodbye to the sheltered Apple retail experience of yore and will now face the reality of the cellular carrier business through AT&T. Apple’s been in the business of simplifying things for consumers for years. This is hardly AT&T’s claim to fame.

Does Apple really want to get in bed with a company (AT&T) and an industry (telecom) known for dissembling, price-gouging, complicating, and confusing consumers?

It’s hard to fault AT&T for raising basic prices on iPhone 3G service plans: After all, 3G networks cost more money to build and operate, and it is natural that some of that cost would get passed on to consumers. iPhone 3G plans now start at $70 for 450 minutes (this includes unlimited data and Internet usage). But here’s where the natural price increases stop.

This new basic iPhone 3G plan includes no text messages. Text messages, light data bits which cost relatively little for a carrier to whip around its network, were included on last year’s AT&T iPhone plan. Text message http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_messaging plans now range from an extra $5 to $30 per month. What was once free is now rather expensive. This is akin to Apple jacking up prices for iTunes tracks, or suddenly charging for once-free podcasts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast . Apple just wouldn’t do it.

The most egregious act committed by AT&T, and one in which Apple is actually complicit, is the announcement that the iPhone 3G is not universally priced at $199/$299. Steve Jobs Steve Jobs shouted from his keynote mountain top on June 9 that the new iPhone will cost $199/$299. While restrictions and caveats were always a possibility, they were never explicitly mentioned. On July 1, AT&T confirmed what few Apple-watchers had predicted: The cheap price is not for everybody.

The cheap price, according to AT&T, requires not only a two-year contract, but a qualifying upgrade status. If you don’t qualify, you pay $399/$499 instead. Who doesn’t qualify? Good question. AT&T doesn’t exactly make its upgrade eligibility requirements very straightforward (so totally, shamefully, “un-Apple”). Here’s the company’s upgrades policy: “Device offers are made available from time to time based on a number of factors: service tenure, spending levels, payment history, usage practices and other factors.”

If you have an AT&T account, you can log-in to your account page on the company’s Web site and find out if you are eligible. So far, reports from AT&T customers suggest that people who’ve renewed a contract in the last 18 months are not eligible to buy the subsidized iPhone 3G.

Of course, new AT&T customers qualify for the cheaper iPhone 3G. But AT&T has also created another class of customer. Original iPhone (not 3G) owners have clout and status above regular people in AT&T’s world. If you bought the first-gen iPhone, you are privileged to buy the new iPhone at the discounted price. Apple isn’t typically in the business of creating first-class, special-rewards, or frequent-buyer programs. It’s not a classy, high-end thing to do. But Apple isn’t in charge here.

And it is hard to image Apple ever allowing for the possibility of this kind of nonsensical loop-hole: AT&T customers who’ve recently renewed a contract could conceivably cancel their contracts (usually less than $200 for the cancelation fee), then create a new account with AT&T and sign up for a subsidized iPhone. Doing this might actually cost less than paying $399/$499 for the unsubsidized iPhone 3G.

AT&T has left several frequently-asked-questions un-answered on its handy-dandy tip sheet. The company shows how an iPhone 3G family plan works, but chooses not to explain how a family plan involving iPhones and also non-iPhones would operate (and how much they would cost). There are price increases here, too: Traditional AT&T family plans require a $10 fee for adding an additional line. Adding an iPhone costs $40.

But what happens if you attempt to create a family plan that already has text messages bundled in, as well as shared minutes and data, and you toss an iPhone 3G into the mix? Can the iPhone 3G line use some of the bundled text message without paying for its own? AT&T chooses not to answer, and Apple certainly won’t weigh in. Doubtless, there are dozens of similar questions about plans and rates.

These types of nitty-gritty questions are, frankly, beneath Apple’s notice. Apple doesn’t want to touch all of this messy pricing stuff with a ten-foot pole, but by not actively involving itself in the policy details of the sale of its own forthcoming phone, it might begin to lose the high customer-service marks and relatively polished brand image it has cultivated in recent years.

Last year, Apple controlled the retail experience by offering consumers an easy way to activate their iPhones with an AT&T plan via iTunes software. That convenient experience courtesy Apple is now gone, as well, leaving AT&T to run Apple’s customers through a meat-grinder of a purchasing system that has always catered to the lowest common denominator.

AT&T, in its press releases, leaves much unsaid. You can buy an iPhone from an AT&T store come 8 a.m., July 11. But wait, can’t we also buy an iPhone from an Apple store at the same time? Right? AT&T doesn’t say. Neither does Apple. Confusion ensues. Confusion isn’t good for consumers thinking about dropping hundreds of dollars on a device and a monthly subscription. And it certainly isn’t good for Apple, either.

What about the currently available info on iPhone 3G pricing and plans seems unfair or confusing to you? Which of your questions haven’t been answered with the kind of clarity you expect?

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iPhone-at-t-apple,review-1103.html
 
To that I'd say wait and see how the pricing pans out in Asia...

Got ya covered. While these prices are better because of the current exchange rate as some posters on AI have noted these are BAD compared to the normal rates charged by 3 in HK. (AT&T's rate for the iPhone 3G is the exact same as they charge for other smart phones so at least they are consistent and don't peg iPhone owners just because)
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ng_iphone_plans_to_start_at_24_per_month.html

Still - I think Norway actually has it worse than ANYONE - I'd need to spend $221 a month to get something even close to useful... Talk about OUCH!!!

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...plans_start_at_50_in_sweden_80_in_norway.html
 
Do you think Apple is kicking themselves for locking in ATT in the US?

No, not at all. I think the speculation that AT&T and Apple aren't "getting along" is probably true. BUT, Apple will still be earning revenue for the next two years from AT&T on the original iPhone. 20% or 30% of phones that were sold were unlocked to use in other countries -- that wouldn't have been possible if they had gone with the only other contender --Verizon. This has created a worldwide demand for the iPhone faster. I have to think that AT&T stepped up their 3G coverage faster than they would have without the iPhone. And, while Apple might prefer really cheap plans to get more customers, these complaints that seem so terrible on particular forums are also a plus for Apple.
Take my 2007 example: nearly six months of hype around the iPhone, but ALL the hype, from Ballmer to Mossberg included: $600 for a phone! That just added to the aura of the iPhone and to the free publicity.
Then they lower the price by $200. For anyone that missed that news, current iPhone owners spread the news quickly: "I can't believe Apple is treating me this way! They've lowered the price by $200 only a few months after launch! It's terrible!" (and all the friends, family, co-workers, who had previously said "I'd love an iPhone, but not for $600!" were all told about the drastic price reduction). Then, the $100 certificate, that probably cost them next to nothing, and those same people telling everyone who may have missed it the first time: "well, I'm still not happy that Apple lowered the price by $200, but they gave me a $100 gift certificate to make up for it." Priceless advertising.
2008: All the headlines and blogs talking about "Is the $199 iPhone really half the price, or is it more (because of some calculations for data)? It's still hype and advertising, letting everyone know the new price of the phone that will draw in more people than it turns off. Even the Canadian publicity, with their shoddy plans, shows that you can get an iPhone for the same price as any other plan on Rogers, and you can actually get more data for less with the iPhone. (it's just that Rogers' plans are terrible and expensive to begin with, and some people thought it would be different with the iPhone). The publicity there may be too negative, but maybe not, and might even help in the long run. I'm a "fan" of most of Apple's products, but I have no illusions that Apple wants me to be "happy" -- they just want me to buy their products.
(sorry for the run-on answer)
 
I honestly don't know why everyone is going crazy over this. Did you really think it would be the same price.. or cheaper? Really? Did you? When a carton of milk is $4, or filling up a tank of gas is $80? Here's a shocker.. everything is more expensive now, and AT&T is keeping up with the rest of the world.

My plan will go from $180 to $210 a month. I'm fine with that.

Great POV you've got there...Do you do just accept what people/companies tell you to do? Do you ever question why?

And everything is more expensive now? I'm typing this on a much more powerful computer than my last one, and this one was $200 cheaper...

It seems to me that very few people are complaining about the 3G data plan rate. What most people are upset about is the additional cost for texting.

AT&T has chosen to screw their customers. Many people have come to rely on/like/use texting. So, here is a way to make more revenue. Fine, I understand that. But guess what? I don't like it. It's not ethical in my opinion. Yes, AT&T exists to make money and maximize shareholder value, but for every decision they make in an effort to do that, they must weigh the cost of losing a customer.

I'm sure they've run the numbers on how many customers will leave, how many won't upgrade to 3G iPhone, how many will purchase texts and how many will not. They've decided it is worth the risk.

I'm sure they'll be right as most people will give in and pay the $5. That doesn't make it right or OK.

I posted about this before when these plans were rumored. People need to band together and not order the text option. That is the only way AT&T will learn.
 
I am still trying to determine if the iPhone is what I need. Can the iPhone do these few things:

1. Can I use the iPhone with my MacBook to get online? I can do this now with my Motorola phone via bluetooth. The only thing is it is at dial-up/networks speeds. Can the iPhone lend its 3G access to the laptop?

2. Can I access my other email accounts (non-.Mac accounts) without purchasing the business plan? What are the requirements?

3. If I can only purchase one phone in line but wanted to purchase additional phones for family but some of them are under 18 how do they qualify/get a phone? Is there an age limit for these contracts?

4. Is it possible to do a PowerPoint/Keynote lecture with an LCD projector, moving about in front of a thousand students, all from the iPhone or do I still need that laptop?

1 - As of right now - No. I'm sure a hack will happen
2 - Yes, I use mine for GMail and Yahoo all the time - just sync it with Mail on your MB
3 - There's an internal memo floating around AT&T that actually says 3 iPhones per person (check AI for comments on that one)
4 - No idea - it's almost guaranteed to show up in the AppStore either from Apple or someone else I'd think.
 
Small price to pay to get rid of Sprint.

I never had a problem with sprint. They messed up on my plan and gave me $223 toward my bill. That's ok with me, plus I dont ever get dropped call in the bay area. my att friend's cant use their phones in their own homes.
 
I posted about this before when these plans were rumored. People need to band together and not order the text option. That is the only way AT&T will learn.

They still wouldn't give a crap - they are making their money from the voice and data plans. It might do something to their bottom line but not much.

Only way to say heck with them is for everyone to go with Altell or something - some market niche player (non Verizon/AT&T/Sprint).
 
I'm sure they've run the numbers on how many customers will leave, how many won't upgrade to 3G iPhone, how many will purchase texts and how many will not. They've decided it is worth the risk.

What I'm wondering is whether AT&T is sick of Apple and is trying to kill the iPhone. To go from 200 texts a month to zero -- especially when texting is so popular -- seems like an attempt to alienate potential customers. You've really got to want an iPhone pretty badly now to want to deal with AT&T.

Maybe someone on high thinks that texting is no longer popular, and everyone will want to use e-mail from now on. I just don't understand the rationale of eliminating texting and then on the Family Plan lowering the number of minutes but raising the monthly cost. How about eliminating voice plans entirely and letting people use Skype? I'd happily pay $30 a month for a data-only plan where I can use VOIP.
 
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