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Does anyone know how this will improve AT&Ts coverage and network?
This is gonna be great for me...I live in a very rural area, am currently on AT&T, with sparse coverage, but there are many TMobile towers out here. This should really increase AT&T's coverage.:D
 
I imagine this is good for the AT&T folks and bad for T-Mobile. AT&T is horrible and drops calls, so now maybe with T-Mobile they'll get it right. T-Mobile people get the iPhone and a crappy network and subpar data rates.

I get excellent AT&T service. I've never had a dropped call and my speeds are in the 3Mb range. I doubt much can change for me, besides faster data (perhaps).
 
Does anyone know how this will improve AT&Ts coverage and network?

The article says: "AT&T and T-Mobile customers should see service improvements with improved voice quality due to increased cell tower density and broader network infrastructure. At closing, AT&T will immediately gain cell cites that would have taken 5 years to build otherwise."

More towers in more places means more coverage. More circuits for the network so more towers are sharing the pressure of the bandwidth instead of existing few.
 
Rats!

I fled from AT&T (Cingular) when they degraded their signal so that I could no longer use them at home or at work without signing a new contract at a higher rate. (The rep claimed that a new Cingular sim card would improve service over my old AT&T sim card but that I had to sign a new contract before he could give me one to prove it.) I had cell service less than 30% of the time when it had been adequate before Cingular took over. Went to T-Mobile and I had max bars all the time and as good a customer service experience as you can get with this industry. The chance to finally get an iPhone doesn't seem worth the aggravation of dealing again with a company with an inclination to abuse their customers- especially the ones they get by merger. They'll spend their time trying to squeeze more money out of us.
 
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This is the stupidest things I've ever heard. The technology behind the phone doesn't matter and doesn't make them anticompetitive.
And this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You have to determine the relevant market before you can decide what practices are anticompetitive.

I don't think GSM is the relevant market, but whether the relevant market is GSM, wireless service, telephone service more generally, or even telecommunications generally, in AT&T and T-Mobile's business, it's always about what the technology is.

Sure, monopoly is ultimately about a company's ability to control price, but you have to ask: control the price of what?
 
“You mean AT&T had $39 billion sitting around and they WEREN’T BUILDING MORE ****** CELL TOWERS?!?!”
 
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Yeah, American service sucks, but much of that is to do with the low population densities across much of a huge country making the construction of the network ridiculously expensive. I wonder how good cell service is in rural areas of Europe.

the shoddy service in the US is not because of the low population density and the large area. Because most people would understand that you get spotty reception in dakota or utah. but the shoddy service is actually in the middle of big cities. Cambridge/Boston comes to mind.

The reason why the service is spotty is because there is no government oversight and no consumer protection in the US. If I had that quality of service in Europe that I have in Boston then I'm sure they would fine the hell out of the carriers and you would be entitled to suspend payments.

I'm on AT&T and have had great service in Boston/Cambridge for the past 3 years. I can't remember the last time I dropped a call, I have service everywhere, and the network is fast except at peak times.
 
I meant service on an options level. You still can't buy an unlocked iPhone without a contract. Rural areas in Scandinavia will be 80Mb/s by the end of the year (150Mb/s in urban areas), this is an area with less than 1/3 population density of California.

I just think the lack of choice will really hurt you guys.

The U.S. has a different pricing model, with high fees but lots of minutes. Personally, I don't talk on the phone all that much, so I'd prefer the European model, which is more pay-per-use, but "at the end of 2009, the average revenue per minute in the U.S. was $ 0.04. Across Europe’s developed countries, the average revenue per minute was $0.16. As a result, the average wireless consumer in Europe used just 160 minutes a month compared to over 824 minutes a month for the U.S."

For many users, the U.S. model is much better, for light users, the Europe model is better. Given the strange cost structure of the wireless industry (huge upfront costs, close to zero marginal cost), it will always have strange user contracts given that no-contract competition would force price to marginal cost (zero), and no mobile carrier could meet their debt obligations.

All and all, it is the cost structure that drives what plans look like. Neither the European model of pay per use, or the American model of a high-priced you can eat buffet is very efficient for different reasons.
 
I hope they'll still sell the 3GS for $50. I prefer that design over the 4…unless the 5 comes out soon.
 
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andiwm2003 said:
Yeah, American service sucks, but much of that is to do with the low population densities across much of a huge country making the construction of the network ridiculously expensive. I wonder how good cell service is in rural areas of Europe.

the shoddy service in the US is not because of the low population density and the large area. Because most people would understand that you get spotty reception in dakota or utah. but the shoddy service is actually in the middle of big cities. Cambridge/Boston comes to mind.

The reason why the service is spotty is because there is no government oversight and no consumer protection in the US. If I had that quality of service in Europe that I have in Boston then I'm sure they would fine the hell out of the carriers and you would be entitled to suspend payments.

I'm on AT&T and have had great service in Boston/Cambridge for the past 3 years. I can't remember the last time I dropped a call, I have service everywhere, and the network is fast except at peak times.
 
The bankers behind the deal must be jumping up and down with excitement.

Thats a lotta fees for them, regardless of whether its a smart move for ATT or not... LoL
 
Win-Win situation for AT&T and T-Mobile. T-Mobile customers are already using jailbroken AT&T iPhones on their system; so it shouldn't be too difficult to get everyone on 4G in a few months or weeks. Verizon still doesn't have the ability to talk and retrieve data on their iPhone...lol:D
 
My questions are

1. When will this take place?
2. How much are my T-Mobile rates increasing?
3. When will the other shoe drop (concerning everything AT&T)?
4. Will the FCC actually approve this deal?
 
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Damn. If AT&T spent that $39 billion for free tethering...but still this means like 2 more bars for me :D
 
My questions are

1. When will this take place?
2. How much are my T-Mobile rates increasing?
3. When will the other shoe drop (concerning everything AT&T)?
4. Will the FCC actually approve this deal?

i read the deal will take a year to complete
 
No, they did the numbers and figured that buying t-mobile's towers were cheaper than building new ones…

Considering all the red tape and time that any company has to go through putting up a tower in any jurisdiction, this was a brilliant move by AT&T.

I get annoyed with the "put up more towers" comments all the time. It just goes to show how ignorant people are to the entire process. It has much less to do with capital and far more to do with regulations why towers can't just pop up over night.
 
Does this mean free ATT to ATT customer calling will now transform into free ATT to ATT and Tmobile customer calling?
 
She's hot.

hot or not, she's now out of a job :) i think they should bring back catherine zeta jones, calling up michael douglas and reminding him its their anniversary while he books a restaurant at the same time as telling her that 'of course he hasn't forgotten'.
 
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