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Sadly, you are correct. At-home activation was visionary and genius, as it cut out the underachieving/dropout customer service reps from the process. Depending on AT&T apes to handle your activation is a huge step backwards.


EXACTLY, you will be tied to a 2 year contract before you even get your hands on the iPhone itself!!!
 
this seems weird, AT&T has other 3G devices and the data plans arent more expensive for those phones.

Yes all AT&T data users pay more than the old iphone plan. We had it cheap, now we pay regular because we are 3g now.
 
For the last time, $199/$299 is the retail price. Sheesh. You will however, have to sign a two-year contract before walking out of the store with one.

Where is this information coming from? Since when does Apple want their customers to be hanging around the Apple store activating their new iPhones? This was the whole point of iTunes activation.

Also, where does it say no text in the 3G data plan? That would be lame.:confused:
 
Looks like Apple's bold experiment to simplify phone purchasing with activation at home has now fallen by the wayside and the carriers are back in their comfort zone: subsidized handsets to lure people into expensive monthly contracts. I have no doubt that the huge number of unlocked iPhones in existence has contributed massively to this U turn - they won't care now if people unlock their phones because you're committed to a 2 year (in the USA) contract before you even get your hands on the phone! This could actually push the price of old iPhones up rather than down once the dust settles...

You've hit the nail on the head. The un-locker boobs selling iPhones for a profit at Apple's and AT&T's expense have put an end to the simplicity and ease of home activation. As usual, human avarice has destroyed something that benefitted many!
 


AT&T has issued a press release providing additional details about service plans for the iPhone 3G in the U.S. First of all, AT&T confirmed that it remains the exclusive U.S. carrier for the iPhone, which will be available starting on July 11th.

The new iPhones will cost $199 (8GB) and $299 (16GB) with an unlimited 3G data plan costing $30/month. This is an increase from the current $20/month unlimited EDGE data plan for the 1st generation iPhone. Voice plans continue to start at $39.99, but no additional details are provided.

Meanwhile, AT&T reveals that Apple will no longer receive the revenue sharing from each users plans. It was highly publicized that AT&T paid Apple a portion of its monthly recurring service charges for each iPhone user. Under the new agreement, there is no revenue sharing. AT&T is presumably directing that money towards the $200 subsidy for the iPhone.

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From CNN Money ...

"AT&T's exclusive iPhone partnership also calls for the company to share as much as 24% of its monthly iPhone service revenue with Apple."

full article : http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/09/technology/applekeynote.fortune/index.htm

so it seems there is some revenue sharing after all
 
wait wait wait, subsidizing?

so wait. if we get a 16 GB iPhone, are they still going to subsidize? meaning that it would lower from 300 to 100?
 
Figure it this way...

Old iPhone was $400 new one is $200 = $200 discount.

Over life of contract you will pay $240 more in data costs than before.


$200 savings - $240 data expense = $40 more than other iPhone

You're exactly right. What happened to making the iphone "more affordable"?
 
even with $10 inc to data, it's still only $240 more per contract, which puts it at $199 + $240 = still less than original 8gb iPhone. nuisance none the less, still manageable imo

The way you break it down sounds better. It's like we're financing it really. I just don't like the way it was presented to us. Almost like a lie. Withheld information i feel. I don't have cable because of the insane prices. I justified buying an iPhone because i'm obsessed with computers, internet, email, whatever. I prefer to look at my laptop over my tv any day.
 
Where is this information coming from? Since when does Apple want their customers to be hanging around the Apple store activating their new iPhones? This was the whole point of iTunes activation.

Also, where does it say no text in the 3G data plan? That would be lame.:confused:

AT&T's CEO said that. Because those prices are subsidized.

It is also a way to lock people with AT&T so they don't buy iPhones and ship them to other markets.

It will be done in the retail stores before you leave or through additional information pages on the Online Apple Store where you will pick plans etc. which will lock you to the contract before they ship the phone.
 
Is the data plan required? I live in a heavy WiFi area, so there'd be no need for an additional data plan, especially not at $30 per month. I'd rather spend that on unlimited texting instead.
 
I just talked to an AT&T sales rep and this is what I was told...there is no subsidy for the new iPhone 3G - $199/$299 is the retail price, and that is the price that they will be selling the phones for. If you are an existing customer, you keep your current AT&T rate plan, but your data plan will go up to $30 for the new iphone and your contract will extend by another 2 years regardless of where you are at your current contract. If you a new customer, then you will be subject to the new iphone rate plan as well. I know that I didn't have to change my rate plan when I bought the 16GB iphone in February...I already had a family plan of $59.99 for two lines with 550 minutes...so I got to keep that family plan, but just add on the $20 iphone data plan for the iphone. The sales rep says same thing for the iphone 3G - I get to keep my existing rate plan..but my data plan will go up by $10 if I buy the 3G phone. Hope the info is correct.

I called AT&T customer service and was told the same thing. I am fine with that. :)
 
Definitely a deal breaker. I'll just cop me either a current gen 8GB or 16GB to replace my 4GB. The extra $10 is just not worth it to me otherwise I could've stayed with my BB.

$10.00 is a deal breaker... seriously?

I can't think of anything to say that won't get me kicked off this site... geesh...
 
Guys... it's actually $15 more a month not $10. It used to come with 200 SMS text messages but now comes with 0. You have to buy 200 text messages at $5 so instead of $10 extra its $15.

O and Apple, thanks for making it MORE "AFFORDABLE" to the 56% of people who said it was too expensive.
 
Ok but if I activate it with prepaid then. The cheapest one, then swapped sims. Shouldnt that hypotheitcally work still?

Don't know if prepaid will be offered (it's not mentioned anywhere I can find), but even if it is, I doubt the old iPhone SIM will work in the new iPhone for 3G data - it's an EDGE SIM not a 3G one
 
It's about principle also

Isn't it amazing that people who paid $399 - $599 for a phone cannot afford $10/more a month? That's the same as eating in instead of eating out for ONE DAY of the month.

For me, yes, I can afford the extra $10, but I can't justify it as I don't use the data plan all that much for the price I'm currently paying for with the 1st gen iPhone. The EDGE network is just unusable given its current state.

To give it another perspective, people are paying much less for broadband access (cable/DSL) for a faster speeds. So, ATT is basically saying it is OK for you to pay $64/month to run a crippled iPhone or you pay $75/month to have a better iPhone experience and a 2 year contract. Gee, thanks.

Yes, I know one pays extra for convenience, but I believe there is a line for some of us and ATT just crossed it. I've been a long Cingular/SBC/ATT customer, but this one was the last straw. I'm dropping my DSL service which I've had for almost 9 years. I, for one, will boycott buying a 2nd generation iPhone from ATT. If anything, I'll find other channels to get one.
 
Cracks me up to see people complaining about the price! If you are too poor to afford $10 a month then don't buy the iPhone. Buy a "free" basic Nokia!

Bad math and poor choices are why so many Americans are in debt and consume beyond their means.

Also all studies show Mac users have a higher income on average than most Americans. So shouldn't be an issue.

No kidding, especially if you dropped $400-$500 on a phone, and now that it's $200 less you can't afford it? The new terms cost $40 more over the term of the contract ($240 more in data fees - $200 cheaper phone). This comes out to $1.66 a month. God no!
 
Don't know if prepaid will be offered (it's not mentioned anywhere I can find), but even if it is, I doubt the old iPhone SIM will work in the new iPhone for 3G data - it's an EDGE SIM not a 3G one

it will. the card itself says 3G on it
 
From CNN Money ...

"AT&T's exclusive iPhone partnership also calls for the company to share as much as 24% of its monthly iPhone service revenue with Apple."

full article : http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/09/technology/applekeynote.fortune/index.htm

so it seems there is some revenue sharing after all

AT&T didn't have anything to do with the experience. They're just providing the service which is what the poster's referring to.

Given the connection in the first quote, I think the comment in the second quote has been invalidated.
 
Here's a little perspective to those bashing the whiners (myself). Yes $10 extra a month is not a big deal. But it is a big deal in principle. I have patiently waited for over a year.

My current plan w/ Sprint EVDO Rev A (3g speeds) is ~$40 for 500 mins, unlimited data/text/mms, and insurance. I have replaced my Treo 700 a total of 7x for free. I'm solely buying an iphone for the hardware. But since ATT has exclusivity they will rape you. So what's so special about their service that I would have to pay twice as much and be with out insurance?

EDGE will eventually be phased out anyway so why pass the cost down to the consumer? Because they can and people go along with it.
I'd say that "rape you" is a more than a bit harsh. All that is happening now is that the iPhone voice/data plan is going to match all other PDA phone plans for AT&T. Personal users with an AT&T Tilt, etc. were paying $30 for a 3G data plan, now iPhone users will have the same plan rather than a cut rate $20 EDGE plan with 500 messages. It's too bad that iPhone users lost their deal, but the responses on here are way out of hand considering this is only a $10 increase, esp. since many then claim they would be happy to plunk down $500 or more for a iPhone without the data plan.

Now as for Sprint, I hear often that they have the cheapest voice/data plans out there. So why aren't they more popular?
 
Guys... it's actually $15 more a month not $10. It used to come with 200 SMS text messages but now comes with 0. You have to buy 200 text messages at $5 so instead of $10 extra its $15.

O and Apple, thanks for making it MORE "AFFORDABLE" to the 56% of people who said it was too expensive.

YEH, THANKS APPLE.
 
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