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Attempted Apple Store Holdup Goes Bad: Suspect Killed
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I'm not sure that Tuscon could have been avoided by someone with a CCW. It happened too fast, and pulling a firearm and blasting away would likely have caused MORE needless death by firearm. I think that horrible tragedy played out in the "best" way it could have...
In light of the article's subject matter, and the serious nature of this conversation, I must concede, in that...
...I lol'ed at that one.
However, I have to say, even though it's tragic that a Rent-A-Cop took a life (I have no respect for the lot of them, whom are all alike) I have to say it's equally as tragic that some thugs thought it would be easy to take advantage of the glass-front Apple Stores. At the very least, I don't think they'll be committing that same crime ever again.
*I was instantly reminded of Halo: "HEADSHOT". Just sayin'.
From the OP:
As if there wasn't enough ignorance to go around already without the media making things up.
As if there wasn't enough ignorance to go around already without the media making things up.
Non issue. Just avoid robbing a store.
-Steve
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Simple as that.
Well done sir
I think not.
There are 50 states in the US. Of those that allow concealed firearms, the majority DO NOT allow one to carry a concealed firearm into an establishment that sells alcohol and allows consumption on the premises.
How does pointing out that 2 states, a vast minority of the whole, DO allow this make me completely wrong?
Agreed. Having two of these criminals alive means taxpayers will be funding their meals, lodging, health care for years.
Personally, I am gettin very comfortable with the idea of depositing violent criminals out in the wilds of Alaska, hundreds of miles from anyone else they can hurt. Give them a small knife and some matches and that's it. If they don't want to live in a civilization, then they can live outside of it.
"Heroics???"
Tell you what - you hold your body against the door, I'll use my gun.
The point here is that you wouldn't hold your body against that door because your gun defines your heroics. With a gun you'd be the hero but without it the coward right?
Really? Calibration? I said he killed without warning. No one could stop it simply because he had a gun. In the end he was stopped be heros without a gun. Sure if someone had a gun they could help stop him killing more. But they couldn't prevent his actions from the start.
The argument is that "if more people carried guns..." You know if more people walked around carrying, the majority would not be well trained. The people who tell this fantasy that simply carrying guns would prevent this type of thing promote gun ownership but not the training of a militia. Perhaps if we have some tax money for militia training that would help?
Says the person who lost the argument.
hmmm. You didn't really make a case for that at all. You just seem upset that this little gun fantasy is not blindly accepted.
Would it make you feel better if i said "We could prevent these killers if we all carried guns?" Is that what you are arguing for? if not then what is your point? Actually I don't really care.
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You really don't know what you are talking about. In a gun fight you hit the targets available to you, not the ones wishful liberal hope that you can hit. Often the head is the only available target that isn't screened by cover.
Further these are criminals we are talking about here. That is scum of the earth, as far as I'm concerned you give up your rights to a fair fight once you cross that line. Frankly armed or not the best out come is for as many of these criminals to die as possible. Any DA that would pursue such a case is just as guilty as the criminals for our decline as a society.
You see in the end dead criminals can't repeat, can't breed and can't drain money from the rest of us in prison. This is a hard cold reality but people have to realize that this element in society is defective, where you have defective products you need quality control. With humanity execution is quality control and can be likened to a manufacture that melts a product down after it fails QA checks.
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You really don't know what you are talking about. In a gun fight you hit the targets available to you, not the ones wishful liberal hope that you can hit. Often the head is the only available target that isn't screened by cover.
Further these are criminals we are talking about here. That is scum of the earth, as far as I'm concerned you give up your rights to a fair fight once you cross that line. Frankly armed or not the best out come is for as many of these criminals to die as possible. Any DA that would pursue such a case is just as guilty as the criminals for our decline as a society.
You see in the end dead criminals can't repeat, can't breed and can't drain money from the rest of us in prison. This is a hard cold reality but people have to realize that this element in society is defective, where you have defective products you need quality control. With humanity execution is quality control and can be likened to a manufacture that melts a product down after it fails QA checks.
OK, after reading the whole article it looks like the shooting was justified. The robbers were armed and were exchanging gunfire.
MR did a piss-poor job of summarizing the story.
MR did a piss-poor job of summarizing the story.
Relative to the population, we do. Only 1 in 20,000 bypass that pre-programming. If the other 19,999 took the issue seriously, we'd see less still.
Apparently, there were 40 shots fired between the suspects and the guard. I commend his actions. Give him a medal! Be mindful, Chula Vista is a suburb of San Diego, a military town on the border of Mexico.
+1
it's only sad in a general sense that a life was lost but I do not feel too sad about the robber as a person. He made his choice and a very bad one at that. He intentionally planned on shooting and killing other people just to make a few bucks on stolen apple stuff. Our compassion should be directed to the millions of people who actually deserve it. That does not mean that we should shoot everyone who robs a store but if it happens in self defense then I'm ok with it and I hope the guard doesn't suffer from PTSD because of that.
I think not.
There are 50 states in the US. Of those that allow concealed firearms, the majority DO NOT allow one to carry a concealed firearm into an establishment that sells alcohol and allows consumption on the premises.
How does pointing out that 2 states, a vast minority of the whole, DO allow this make me completely wrong?
You said I was wrong when I pointed out that you can carry a gun into a bar in AZ.