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You know theres reasons for crime, it comes from a disproportionate distribution of wealth. Im not saying these people needed to steal to buy medicine for their dying baby but its important to look at what caused the desperation.

You seriously think they threatened to kill a guard at an Apple store because minimum wage or food stamps wasn't enough?

GREED causes most crime. iOS devices have a very high value-to-volume ratio, so they're a target of hardcore criminals.
 
You pull guns out, during the commission of a crime, and you have waved all rights as a citizen of our society. Consider it an implicit cancelation of your membership.

I have absolutely no sympathy for the fallen criminal. For his family, etc., yes. For the person who shot him and the fierce media scrutiny and judgement by society he will receive, absolutely.

But the guy who was shot in the head. He chose his path when he packed a gun and went out with intent to commit a crime and the clear willingness to wield a lethal weapon. A single round from which could have been tragic for any of the truly innocent at the mall, from a child to a mother or a single dad of six. The scenarios for loss of of innocent are infinite. The dead man, if in any way a victim, is merely a victim of his own freedom of choice and a very poor selection.

Luckly the breakin happened between 0645-0700..
unfortunately this is an outdoor mixed use facility. condos and retail in close proximity. it is just purely lucky that no civilians were harmed.
 
In retrospect, the SG did a good job, not a great job. For that, I would have to see both of these gun carrying (and shooting) thugs dead.

Alos, can we set up a fund to buy this HERO an iPad 2 and a nice MacBook Air / Pro of his choice? I'd kick in 20$ right now.
 
did u read the article? lol 40 shots were exchanged

Did any of you read the article? The headshot that killed the "perp" was in the parking lot. The dead criminal was in a car attempting to flee the scene. The shot came through the passenger window, across the car, and hit him in the head. It's not like he was standing in a mall hallway.
 
Jeeze who are you Hitler? You know theres reasons for crime, it comes from a disproportionate distribution of wealth. Im not saying these people needed to steal to buy medicine for their dying baby but its important to look at what caused the desperation.

Are you serious? 40 shots were fired in total as these were armed thugs. Who cares why these animals were there to steal and kill. Good riddens! There are plenty of people going through rough times. This is not the answer and they got what was coming to them.

I suppose if the same trio of death showed up at your front door and threatened to kill your family, you'd try to counsel them on their finances. You'd be as dead as they are.
 
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maflynn said:
How sad,
I mean a person lost his life because of his actions, and the guard now has to live with the fact that he took a life. All for what - some iToys? Doesn't seem worth it. :(

I'm not sure who you are but a real man wouldn't think twice about it. Maybe you haven't been around long but some people literally don't deserve to live and frankly are born that way. With a little experience in life I think most people come to realize this. The risk the criminal element exposes to society is significant and often discounted by the left. All we really need to do is to look at Mexico for an example of where crime is left unchecked, in some cases encouraged over a long period of time.

It goes without saying that the good need backbone to resist those that aren't all that good. This is actually a central theme of many religions. Of course there is a flip side there too, but you can end up sacrificing self if you let evil prevail.
 
In retrospect, the SG did a good job, not a great job. For that, I would have to see both of these gun carrying (and shooting) thugs dead.

Alos, can we set up a fund to buy this HERO an iPad 2 and a nice MacBook Air / Pro of his choice? I'd kick in 20$ right now.

some day you'll have to walk in another man's shoes... I wonder if there will be any empathy for you?

don't get me wrong, I am NOT advocating crime, I had my car window broken into and I wis p***** as all, but would I want to kill that person? no. Just have them serve some time in the clink
 
The dead criminal was in a car attempting to flee the scene.

Reflective contemplation is difficult in such a situation. Considering the circumstance, benefit of doubt goes to security guard.
 
Jeeze who are you Hitler? You know theres reasons for crime, it comes from a disproportionate distribution of wealth. Im not saying these people needed to steal to buy medicine for their dying baby but its important to look at what caused the desperation.

I formally make a Declaration of Godwin's law. This debate is hereby over.

Yeah, its societies fault :rolleyes: There is one in every crowd.
 
I'm not a gun control advocate. I own a gun. But I laugh at the absurd notion of being a hero when threatened. These glorified stories of what would have happened in situation X if someone had had a gun are laughable. It doesn't work like that.

Really! You own a gun? What kind?

I have pulled a gun on someone beating the crap out of his gf (neighbors) and the first thing that person did was dropped to the floor saying IM SORRY I DIDNT DO ANYTHING SHE STARTED IT! Cops came and arrested him, checked my gun license, kind of scolded me, but than thanked me and I was on my way.
 
Did any of you read the article? The headshot that killed the "perp" was in the parking lot. The dead criminal was in a car attempting to flee the scene. The shot came through the passenger window, across the car, and hit him in the head. It's not like he was standing in a mall hallway.

Good. Long range success is paramount in terms of keeping the perp from coming back another day. Guard must have been an ex Marine. Outstanding marksmanship.
 
Wrong.

These individuals were born in the US, meaning, they could've gotten all the help they wanted to be successful in this country, they chose not to.

Thats dellusional.



Wrong.
These people were scumbags who exchanged more than 40 shots with the mall cops.

WHoa wow crazy.


Wrong.
Read first

True, i just read the opening page, didnt see an article link. Still your comment about America will make you a success all you have to do is ask propeganda is complete BS. I really dont know what USA you live in but thats not the america i or the rest of the nation knows. "all the help they wanted to be a success", are you kidding me? :D:D:p
 
...Eh, shoot back? But not in the head... A head shot, geez... That wasn't meant to stop him, that was meant to kill him...

You've never shot a handgun, then. It's not so easy to hit a moving target exactly where you want to, especially if you're moving as well (much less in a a target the size of a leg). Aim for the center and hope you hit something. Even stationary targets are no cinch, despite what you see TV cops do at the range on TV shows.

This situation is not a good outcome for anyone.
 
So, um...what are you going to do with your gun when threatened? :confused:

You are so focused on defeating the "anti-gun" message that you are blind.

Why don't you take a moment and figure out what my argument actually was.

It was that this story about preventing killing simply by carrying a gun is a fantasy held by wanna be heros.

Sure if someone threatens and you have the opportunity to brandish your weapon then you might do some good.

But if I was next to the congress woman in Tucson when she was shot, holding a gun, I could not have prevented the guy from walking up and shooting. That is the fantasy story people concoct.

And let me point out your definition of a hero for all to read. According to you a hero is someone you lives through the experience and defeats the enemy. I pointed out the professor who was killed barring the door and saved the students in the room at Virginia tech. You pointed out it was no good being a hero if you are dead. So in other words that type of heroism is not your cup of tea. Furthermore in this discussion that you are not able to comprehend, my point is that arguing "if only people carried guns, situation X wouldn't have happened" is absurd, you only respond by saying that after the shooting starts, you could shoot the guy. How does that prevent the initial deaths from occurring? It doesn't. And that is my point. But because your idea of the hero is not about saving people but blowing away the criminal, that's just fine as long as you get to be the "hero".

This is the mindset of the wanna be hero. It is this dream of being at the scene and getting to pull out the gun and be glorified for his actions. And that is fine. If they get the chance more power to them. But the problem is that these people can't keep their facts straight. When that moment comes, you may stop a criminal who doesn't really intend to kill or stop some more killing beyond the initial killing but you cannot stop someone who is intent on killing. Furthermore once the hero brandishes the weapon, there is no guarantee who is the better marksman or that the wanna be hero will not shoot bystanders.
 
You pull guns out, during the commission of a crime, and you have waved all rights as a citizen of our society. Consider it an implicit cancelation of your membership.

I have absolutely no sympathy for the fallen criminal. For his family, etc., yes. For the person who shot him and the fierce media scrutiny and judgement by society he will receive, absolutely.

But the guy who was shot in the head. He chose his path when he packed a gun and went out with intent to commit a crime and the clear willingness to wield a lethal weapon. A single round from which could have been tragic for any of the truly innocent at the mall, from a child to a mother or a single dad of six. The scenarios for loss of of innocent are infinite. The dead man, if in any way a victim, is merely a victim of his own freedom of choice and a very poor selection.

Well said.

"He chose . . . . poorly." - Grail Knight, "Indiana Jones and the last Crusade"


:cool:
 
I'm as pro gun rights as anyone, but this sounds like a problem for the security guard. Unless that guard's life was in danger, there was no reason to shoot anyone, especially in the head. The placement of that shot was no accident.

That being said, I'm sure there are a lot of facts we don't know. Innocent until proven guilty, of course.

Yeah, like the fact that the crooks were armed and that forty shots were exchanged. I doubt the guard simply walked up and shot the guy in the head.
 
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