Attempted Apple Store Holdup Goes Bad: Suspect Killed

[koskesh]

Just wow to the morons who are questioning if it was necessary to shoot him in the head. If the security guard had been killed you would be like "oh that's just sad. He's a hero". WTF kinda a$$ backward thinking is that?

He's a "SECURITY" guard for fock's sake. it's what he's there for. These guys threatened to kill people and yet it's wrong to shoot one in the head.

I personally would prefer the criminal social parasites to die than the security guard. And why the fock are you so concerned about a security guard carrying a weapon? The poor guy is putting his life out there to bring some bread to his home while protecting your moron a$$. He's offering the society a legitimate service instead of joining a gang and you're worried about him having a gun? My god people. This country is going to ***** if we have people this dumb doing any kind of work and having this kind of mentality.

And I'm a complete liberal, btw, but I do have a sense of the real world.

 

[centauratlas]

So no one would have been able to shoot the 19 people who were shot (and 20 injured) in Tucson? Perhaps not the first one or two or even three, but eventually someone would have been able pull out their gun and take out the guy before he got to 5 let alone 19 or 20.

It happens quite often when there are people with CC permits around, it just isn't reported as often as the nut job - who already was a criminal - pulls out a gun and kills innocents.

It might have just happened here too - the who knows where three armed robbers were headed next. They found the 2 in a residential area and closed schools near there.

And for the people wondering, Chula Vista isn't a very nice area and I'm not surprised that guards who are guarding the area (it is not a completely inside mall if memory serves) were carrying guns at night.

[edit]:
The rules I was taught:
1. There is no such thing as an unloaded gun.
2. Never point a gun (toy or otherwise because you may be wrong about it being a toy) at anyone unless you intend to kill them - because in the heat of the moment you may do so even if you intend to do something else.

Or take the incident in Tucson with the congress woman. No one would have stopped that with a gun either. It doesn't work like that.

 

[ctdonath]

I don't think that's sad.

Humans are pre-programmed to take such an action hard. Some don't, usually as a result of contemplation and training before such an incident. It is, however, natural to react that way. Best for all to recognize different people may take such a grave matter very differently, and that's ok.

 

[linux2mac]

It's only fantasy because not enough law-abiding civilians are toting guns.

Virginia Tech, Trolley Square, Columbine, Ft. Hood, the list goes on and on - someone trained, armed, and on location in any of those tragedies could have been a godsend.

The fact an off-duty policeman was onsite at Trolley Square certainly saved many lives, but an armed, trained civilian could have done the same.

+1

Criminals have the edge because they know most law abiding citizens are not armed.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

Well done.

 

[LagunaSol]

I often wondered what kind of people could find a homeowner who shot an armed intruder guilty of a crime or culpable in civil court. Having read many of the comments in this thread, now I know.

The scary thing is some of these people may be sitting on the jury if this ever happens to you.

 

[StoneyG]

How sad,
I mean a person lost his life because of his actions, and the guard now has to live with the fact that he took a life. All for what - some iToys? Doesn't seem worth it.

Indeed! I'm amazed and utterly disappointed that people have vote "positive" on this one. First, I question the relevance of posting an attempted robbery, and resulting death, that occurred in a mall, after hours. Is it really Mac news and information? Granted, it took place at an Apple store, but still. But how people on here could not think it's a bad thing, what just happened occured, is beyond me. One might argue that it was better one of the douchey thiefs die than somebody's loved one during store hours (or something along those lines), but that's ALWAYS the case/what we hope for. Either way, somebody died needlessly, and this security guard is going to face some pretty heavy psychological ramifications. NOT good things. Wow.

 

[Xenc]

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I am disgusted that this post has a high positive/negative ratio..... this is terrible.

It depends how you look at it.

Some may be voting "Positive" on the fact that the security guard survived the shootout and the robbers were thwarted, or perhaps because they feel justice was served. Or they could be voting in reaction to the arguably heroic actions of the guard.

Likewise, people may vote "Negative" for the fact that a life was lost, or are expressing their opinions against gun crime, or against the crime itself.

tl;dr The ratings don't mean much for this story.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

It's only fantasy because not enough law-abiding civilians are toting guns.

Virginia Tech, Trolley Square, Columbine, Ft. Hood, the list goes on and on - someone trained, armed, and on location in any of those tragedies could have been a godsend.

The fact an off-duty policeman was onsite at Trolley Square certainly saved many lives, but an armed, trained civilian could have done the same.

In Virginia Tech for instance there was heroics. The professor held his body agains the door and prevented the gunmen from entering and killing more people. The bullets passed through the door and killed the professor but he was a hero Or does he need a gun to be a hero?

There would have been no preventing that guy from killing. Sure he might have been killed. But he would have killed before people got their guns out to shoot back. And If there had been more people carrying guns there likely would have been cross fire from incompetent gun toters.

It is a fantasy story you concoct. But keep dreaming. Perhaps someday you'll get to be the hero. Lets hope you don't wet yourself in the process.

 

[ctdonath]

The bullets passed through the door and killed the professor but he was a hero Or does he need a gun to be a hero?

If he had one he might be a live hero.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

Handgun users (either for private use or professional use) are taught to shoot center mass. The head shot was most likely a stray round and not intentionally. This guy was probably aiming center mass.

How could you aim for the center mass not in the head if the person was sitting in a car (likely still firing at the guard while attempting to get away)? From article:

The male suspects and their alleged female accomplice then got into a silver Acura that crashed while still inside the shopping center's parking lot, Facicci said, noting that one of the men was driving and he died in the crash. He appears to have been killed by a bullet that went through the passenger window, Chula Vista Police said.

 

[rhomsy]

It is amazing just how many times this same stupid comment has been made in this thread. Why do people have to regurgitate the same thing over and over?

Why is is sad a criminal dies while firing at a guard. Why is it sad a person who knows the consequences of carrying a weapon while attempting to rob a store? You play with fire and get burned. Nothing sad about it.

Kudos for the guard for protecting himself. He can sleep at night knowing he is not instead DEAD.

I'm with you. I don't understand these people that think there is NEVER any justification to take someone's life. This mentality is why the pirates off the coast of Somalia continue to harass and shoot up cargo ships. God forbid that the US crushes these vermin with superior fire-power. No, they are humans, and we are so enlightened, so let them shoot at us, take people hostage for years, and steal our ships and cargo. We are powerless to an gang of violent thugs because of our "moral superiority". More like a mental disorder to me.

 

[Ace R.]

ITT:

People do not READ. It was self defense. Those robbers were BLASTING. 40 rounds exchanged.

Sucks someone had to die but that's the price you pay when you decide to commit a crime and use deadly force.. aka we're going to rob the Apple store and if anyone tries to stop us we're shooting.

I'm just glad the security guard survived this ordeal. Imagine if the headline read "Security guard dead in Apple store robbery"

This could easily of been the case.

 

[applefan289]

People are willing to risk their lives for Apple.

 

[wizard]

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Rent-a-cops have guns? And shoot people IN THE HEAD? I'm amazed.

That said, this is pretty ******. Sure, the guy was a criminal lowlife, and he certainly deserved punishment, but I don't think he deserved to get killed. Oh well.

The only problem I have is that only one of these jerks ended up dead. Seriously, the legal system failed us a long time ago, we don't have much of a choice anymore. Frankly I abandoned all hope of ever seeing crime effectively reduced in this country when the Supreme Court decided it was illegal to execute minors which is one of the Courts most stupid and politically motivated decisions ever. Society is best served by removing the criminal element as early as possible.

 

[ctdonath]

The scary thing is some of these people may be sitting on the jury if this ever happens to you.

Take an LFI course (look it up). One benefit is things are arranged so if you are on such trial you can put the jury thru the same course so they will understand what happened from your point of view.

 

[markjerard]

Very sad. Someone lost their life over something so trivial. And sad that the guard has to live with knowing he took a life.

Coleman2010,

I would not say that committing armed burglary and shooting at an outnumbered security guard is "something so trivial".

The guard can live with the fact that someone tried to take HIS life, but fortunately he was trained well enough to defend himself successfully.

Quit feeling sorry for criminals who CHOOSE to be criminals, and try your best to figure out that the person perpetrating the crime is NOT THE VICTIM!

 

[SFStateStudent]

What sort of criminal brings a gun to a robbery? The sort of criminal that is willing to utilize their gun to get away at all costs. Human life is not sacred to criminals that carry guns; whether it's their own lives or the lives of innocent people; or the lives of law enforcement or the lives of security guards...

This was NEVER your run of the mill "smash & grab" but a premeditated crime w/guns...

 

[Jbloodwo]

Odo?

I am in San Diego and first heard the reports early in the am. All i can say is at least this was an armed guard.. I have not heard but I would not be shocked to hear that this garud was in fact a "rent a cop" http://www.offdutyofficers.com/
the latest reports i have heard said over 40 shots were fired...
so at least 1 clip was emptied.
Oh by the way even the transit cops carry in San Diego.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

So no one would have been able to shoot the 19 people who were shot (and 20 injured) in Tucson? Perhaps not the first one or two or even three, but eventually someone would have been able pull out their gun and take out the guy before he got to 5 let alone 19 or 20.

It happens quite often when there are people with CC permits around, it just isn't reported as often as the nut job - who already was a criminal - pulls out a gun and kills innocents.

It might have just happened here too - the who knows where three armed robbers were headed next. They found the 2 in a residential area and closed schools near there.

And for the people wondering, Chula Vista isn't a very nice area and I'm not surprised that guards who are guarding the area (it is not a completely inside mall if memory serves) were carrying guns at night.

Yes if five people in the area all pulled out loaded weapons and started shooting, they all would have hit the killer and no one else.

No one could prevent what happened simply by carrying a gun. He intended to kill and struck without warning.

What actually happens successfully is that criminals who do not intend to kill but threaten get thwarted. Actual killers or criminals who do not care about taking a life in the process are not actually stopped that often. It is a fantasy story concocted by wanna be heros.

Look I am not arguing to take your gun away. I want to keep my gun too. But don't tell me these fantasy stories about how we'll all save the day with our concealed weapon. And don't tell me the story about the big bad liberal who wants to take our guns away either. Its just a wedge issue.

 

[k2director]

Humans are pre-programmed to take such an action hard. Some don't, usually as a result of contemplation and training before such an incident. It is, however, natural to react that way. Best for all to recognize different people may take such a grave matter very differently, and that's ok.

Personally, if humans were pre-programmed to take killing another human so hard, I think we'd see a lot less senseless murder in the world.

 

[LagunaSol]

In Virginia Tech for instance there was heroics. The professor held his body agains the door and prevented the gunmen from entering and killing more people. The bullets passed through the door and killed the professor but he was a hero Or does he need a gun to be a hero?

"Heroics???" Who cares about heroics if you're dead??? This isn't a video game. The obvious best-case situation would have been a student pulling a pistol from his backpack and shooting the shooter in the head after the first couple of murders.

Tell you what - you hold your body against the door, I'll use my gun.

There would have been no preventing that guy from killing. Sure he might have been killed. But he would have killed before people got their guns out to shoot back. And If there had been more people carrying guns there likely would have been cross fire from incompetent gun toters.

Wow, your logic processor needs calibration. Of course he would have killed some. Would he have killed that many? NO.

And notice I keep saying "armed and trained." You don't buy a handgun at the 7-11 and throw it in your pack. To use your quote, "It doesn't work that way."

It is a fantasy story you concoct. But keep dreaming.

I think the only fantasy here is the one playing out in your head.

Perhaps someday you'll get to be the hero. Lets hope you don't wet yourself in the process.

Based on your commentary, I'm sure I'm far more prepared than you. (And being a "hero" has nothing to do with it.)

 

[jonpwnz]

holy crap. im surprised the guard made it through that, and to top it off killed and wounded two of them. I mean come on hes just a mall security guard. with like no training.. unless hes one of those retired navy seal type security guards.

 

[miles01110]

Perhaps you should read your own articles before vilifying me?

Thanks for coming out.

How does that not contradict your incorrect statement below:

Generally it is not legal to carry a firearm into an establishment that sells alcohol for immediate and on-premesis consumption.

It's even legal to carry a gun (assuming you have the proper licenses) into a bar in New York, which has some of the strictest state gun control laws in the country. So, while it's almost always illegal to consume alcohol while carrying a gun, it is hardly ever illegal to simply carry a gun into a bar.

You made a mistake and got called out on it. I made a mistake by not being specific about which part of your statement I was having an issue with. Life goes on.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

If he had one he might be a live hero.

Its actually easier to be the hero when the odds aren't so stacked against you. Its harder to be the hero when you know you will likely die. So in fact I'd say he was even more heroic for what he had done than if he had had a gun.