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Attempted Apple Store Holdup Goes Bad: Suspect Killed
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To those who said the guard should've shot the robber in the leg -- LOL! You're idiots! Please go take a gun course and see how hard it is to shoot a still paper target. Then, imagine if that was a moving leg or arm of somebody shooting at you back?
As haven said, more than likely the head shot was a lucky shot. Aim or the center of mass and hope to hit something. Or if someone had already taken cover and taking puck shots at you, more than likely it's they're head that will be popping up.
As for those "Only in America... " comments -- I'm glad it is like that in America. In Europe, and other liberal countries that are so protective of their criminals, it is even against the law for hard-working, law-abiding citizens to protect themselves. Please let's not forget your European history of mass murdering millions of your own people after disarming them. We can go on back and forth on this one. We may not be perfect, and we may have a nut or two go off now and then, but I'd rather live in a place that gives a choice and a chance to protect one's self.
As haven said, more than likely the head shot was a lucky shot. Aim or the center of mass and hope to hit something. Or if someone had already taken cover and taking puck shots at you, more than likely it's they're head that will be popping up.
As for those "Only in America... " comments -- I'm glad it is like that in America. In Europe, and other liberal countries that are so protective of their criminals, it is even against the law for hard-working, law-abiding citizens to protect themselves. Please let's not forget your European history of mass murdering millions of your own people after disarming them. We can go on back and forth on this one. We may not be perfect, and we may have a nut or two go off now and then, but I'd rather live in a place that gives a choice and a chance to protect one's self.
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There were 40+ shots EXCHANGED. This means that the robbers were firing at the guard. Given that they were armed robbers, I'd say his actions are clearly self defense.
It's really unfortunate that these things happen but let's make sure the person doing their job, and surviving, is acknowledged for reinforcing an environment where negative actions have consequences.
There were 40+ shots EXCHANGED. This means that the robbers were firing at the guard. Given that they were armed robbers, I'd say his actions are clearly self defense.
It's really unfortunate that these things happen but let's make sure the person doing their job, and surviving, is acknowledged for reinforcing an environment where negative actions have consequences.
That's what England used to do too. Of course now we call that prison Australia...
The difference is that the prisoners had help setting up a colony. They weren't being sent there to fend for themselves in nature, which is what I want to see.
In the head driving away in a car it seems.
I don't have any sympathy for the criminals, but I do agree the security guard has a problem as he should not have continued to pursue them firing.
Somehow I suspect he even reloaded his gun.
It all depends on the state. AZ is one of the more permissive states. If someone is going to carry a firearm, it is their responsibility to know the laws of whatever location they are at.
Here in PA the only places restricted by state law are: locations housing court facilities (which by law must provide secure storage of visitors firearms), detention facilities (not in a secured area from the rest of the building) and schools (which seem to be a grey area, but I wouldn't risk being the test case). Federal laws cover other areas, such as any federal building that is staffed (includes post offices).
Bars are okay here. Drinking and carrying is not illegal in and of itself. However if an individual who had been drinking were to fire shots... I'm sure the situation would be closely investigated with more severe charges being filed if it was found to be unjustified.
Just because a location isn't prohibited by state law in PA, doesn't mean that guns are welcome though. Private property owners have the right to restrict anything they want, as long as it isn't a protected class (such as age, race, gender, etc).
Handgunlaw.us can provide an overview of the differences between states.
Typical British snobbery. non-lethal takedown, with three armed robbers? tackle one down while the other two shoot you dead? No thanks, I think the guard knows better then that. With three armed suspects shooting at you, deadly force is authorized.
An English Bobbie, just blowing a whistle, will not work in this case. More then likely would just result in a dead security guard with a whistle in his mouth.
40 shots were exchanged.
FORTY.
I think it's pretty clear that unless the guard had a number of mags on him and emptied them all, that the suspects opened fire on the guard. Perfectly justified returning fire.
A bullet caught one of the criminals in the dome. Don't want a moonroof in your skull? Don't rob a business and open fire on a security guard. And it's not uncommon for people to catch strays in the head from firefights, particularly innocent bystanders in rough neighborhoods. At this point there is no way to say the "placement of that shot was no accident". What is clear is that the suspects opened fire on the guard. Other articles have stated that they exchanged fire.
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You pull guns out, during the commission of a crime, and you have waved all rights as a citizen of our society. Consider it an implicit cancelation of your membership.
I have absolutely no sympathy for the fallen criminal. For his family, etc., yes. For the person who shot him and the fierce media scrutiny and judgement by society he will receive, absolutely.
But the guy who was shot in the head. He chose his path when he packed a gun and went out with intent to commit a crime and the clear willingness to wield a lethal weapon. A single round from which could have been tragic for any of the truly innocent at the mall, from a child to a mother or a single dad of six. The scenarios for loss of of innocent are infinite. The dead man, if in any way a victim, is merely a victim of his own freedom of choice and a very poor selection.
I have absolutely no sympathy for the fallen criminal. For his family, etc., yes. For the person who shot him and the fierce media scrutiny and judgement by society he will receive, absolutely.
But the guy who was shot in the head. He chose his path when he packed a gun and went out with intent to commit a crime and the clear willingness to wield a lethal weapon. A single round from which could have been tragic for any of the truly innocent at the mall, from a child to a mother or a single dad of six. The scenarios for loss of of innocent are infinite. The dead man, if in any way a victim, is merely a victim of his own freedom of choice and a very poor selection.
That isn't what you said..
What you said was:
"Party hard" is indicative that one can consume alcohol whilst carrying the gun. Your statement seemed to say that it was state sanctioned.. which it is not.
Jeeze who are you Hitler? You know theres reasons for crime, it comes from a disproportionate distribution of wealth. Im not saying these people needed to steal to buy medicine for their dying baby but its important to look at what caused the desperation.
Lousy reason to disarm everyone.
Someone else there WAS armed, and was about to stop the situation (sorry, couldn't move faster than "instant" under the circumstances) if it carried on any longer.
You're overlooking the many comparable cases where someone was carrying and DID stop such an attack early. You don't hear much about them because, well, they were stopped early.
Wrong.
These individuals were born in the US, meaning, they could've gotten all the help they wanted to be successful in this country, they chose not to.
These people were scumbags who exchanged more than 40 shots with the mall cops.
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What sort of criminal brings a gun to a robbery? The sort of criminal that is willing to utilize their gun to get away at all costs. Human life is not sacred to criminals that carry guns; whether it's their own lives or the lives of innocent people; or the lives of law enforcement or the lives of security guards...
This was NEVER your run of the mill "smash & grab" but a premeditated crime w/guns...
Agreed, the criminals brought guns fully intending to use them. They engaged the security guard in a gun fight so was it surprising someone got shot? I'm just glad it wasn't the security guard.
These guys weren't just petty criminals shop lifting, they are vicious people who would have injured or killed anyone who got in there way.
Wow, remind me never to looks suspicious at that mall. Our mall security guards only carry flash lights and whistles. What happened to just "observe and report".
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For those who think the robber "didn't deserve it" - Putting aside the very important fact that the robbers were armed, I think there's a very big difference between executing the guy after the fact and killing him to prevent the commission of the crime.
Anyway, sad situation, but the guard in this case did nothing wrong.
For those who think the robber "didn't deserve it" - Putting aside the very important fact that the robbers were armed, I think there's a very big difference between executing the guy after the fact and killing him to prevent the commission of the crime.
Anyway, sad situation, but the guard in this case did nothing wrong.