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Attempted Apple Store Holdup Goes Bad: Suspect Killed

Things like this happen about every 30 days at the Oklahoma City mall that has the Apple Store. Just last year, one of the mall security people, while riding a Segway, unloaded a clip at shoplifters that were driving away.

Apple needs to move their stores to safer places. I don't like carrying a Mac Pro in the parking lot where they have a violent crime every month.
 
The Beatles said:
Jeeze who are you Hitler? You know theres reasons for crime, it comes from a disproportionate distribution of wealth. Im not saying these people needed to steal to buy medicine for their dying baby but its important to look at what caused the desperation.
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In the macro it is important to look at the causes of crime. When it gets to the point of armed gangs breaking in to steal iPads it is more important to protect society from immediate damage.
 
cdallen said:
Its published statistics... Check your government and local council info stations. An interesting read for those not afraid of the truth.
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I'll give you that if you're looking year by year. My original read of your post was more along the lines of more deaths from gun crimes vs. war overall--going backwards in time, too.
 
DroidRules said:
I have my CCW and am always armed and trust me, I will use my fire arm in the self defense of my family and other law abiding citizens.
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Having a gun and a CCW doesn't automatically make you safe, or give you the ability to make the correct snap decision in a life-or-death situation. Nor does it automatically make your family safe It could make you a lot less safe, depending on how careful you are. Do you trust most of the CCW carriers out there?

The security guard was probably protrecting himself, and I don't have a great deal of sympathy for the criminals (though it is always a tragedy when people are killed). My criticism is that so many people here seem unconcerned with humanity:

DroidRules said:
sucks for the bad guys but oh well.
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DroidRules said:
The douchbag ended his own life with his poor decisions. He deserved what he got.... one less POS to make the world a crappy place to live.
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To you it's the same as shooting vermin, or catching mice in a trap and throwing the bodies in the garbage. I think that's a shocking outlook.
 
H&K MP5N said:
Typical liberal response, for those who lament that the crook lost his life.

Supposedly 40 rounds were exchanged. Only one actor dead?

Guard needs to go requalify it seems.

One Shot One Kill.
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If the bad guys are under cover, sometimes you shoot to keep their heads down.
 
Lord Blackadder said:
Frankly, nobody in this thread really knows what they are talking about when it comes to the events in the OP, and that includes you and me.
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This is the best thing I've seen in this thread. As with any developing news story, there are pretty serious gaps in the information we have and early news reports can be inaccurate.

I'm inclined to think the security guard did his job well in this case, but I'm willing to revise my opinion as more information comes in.
 
They should give the mall guard a medal. Too bad he didn't kill the rest of the scum sucking thieves. Now the citizens of CA will have to pay to feed their worthless carcasses for the next few decades.
 
One more thing, kudos to the guard must be a good Republican for helping the state of Kalifornia with our state under 40 years of Democratic destruction.

One less crook to house defend and feed. Everybody little bit helps the budget mess we are in.

Do the math one dollar equals the cost of the round that dispatched the crook versus housing him in jail.


Winning !
 
rtkane said:
I'll give you that if you're looking year by year. My original read of your post was more along the lines of more deaths from gun crimes vs. war overall--going backwards in time, too.
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Oh dear... I think this conversation is over.

I can't believe you actually wrote that!
 
This is SUCH an american debate here... interesting from a sociological point of view almost.
Anyhow there is NO proportionality given between robbing material goods and the elimination of life. No matter how one stands to questions like gun control, police regulations or even death sentence.

Proportionality is the key word here.
 
flooce said:
This is SUCH an american debate here... interesting from a sociological point of view almost.
Anyhow there is NO proportionality given between robbing material goods and the elimination of life. No matter how one stands to questions like gun control, police regulations or even death sentence.

Proportionality is the key word here.
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indeed... whos barrel is biggest!

Such a shame
 
bamf said:
Anyone from CA know how the law works in a shooting like this? Won't the other two suspects face murder 1 charges in the death of their co-conspirator?
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Don't know about CA, but I know someone who was charged that way following the death of a fellow felon in an armed robbery attempt in NYC. The premise, in NYS at least, was that if someone died while you were committing a felony and you had a deadly weapon, you were responsible for their death.
 
MCroft said:
This is the best thing I've seen in this thread. As with any developing news story, there are pretty serious gaps in the information we have and early news reports can be inaccurate.

I'm inclined to think the security guard did his job well in this case, but I'm willing to revise my opinion as more information comes in.
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Good idea, it makes you less an idiot if things didn't actually happen the way you might have assumed they did.

Some tidbits via MDN (so not necessarily vetted 100%)

* Security guard hired by Apple

* Security guard is an ex-deputy sheriff (or retired)

* Suspect may have been shot while driving away

That last point may be an issue; then again, if he was pulling the trigger while driving away, then it won't be.

Lots more to come out, I'm sure.
 
H&K MP5N said:
Typical liberal response, for those who lament that the crook lost his life.
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I'm less concerned with the "crook" than I am with people who dehumanize others to the extent that a fatal shooting is grounds for congratulatory back-slapping. What kind of people enjoy this?

H&K MP5N said:
One Shot One Kill.
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Completely ridiculous, and also totally, totally wrong.

H&K MP5N said:
Do the math one dollar equals the cost of the round that dispatched the crook versus housing him in jail.
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Anyone with even cursory knowledge of the legal process will be aware of the fact that this incident will greatly exceed the cost of a single handgun cartridge. But why let pesky facts get in the way of rhetoric?

H&K MP5N said:
Winning !
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Ignorance over reason, yes.
 
flooce said:
This is SUCH an american debate here... interesting from a sociological point of view almost.
Anyhow there is NO proportionality given between robbing material goods and the elimination of life. No matter how one stands to questions like gun control, police regulations or even death sentence.

Proportionality is the key word here.
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Really? They stopped robbing materials when they started shooting. Tell me how you would have reacted?
 
flooce said:
This is SUCH an american debate here... interesting from a sociological point of view almost.
Anyhow there is NO proportionality given between robbing material goods and the elimination of life. No matter how one stands to questions like gun control, police regulations or even death sentence.

Proportionality is the key word here.
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The key is, the bad guys had guns and were using them. If they were just running away, it would be wrong to shoot them. When they pulled out their guns, they became a threat to everyone at the mall including security. At that point, the mall security had a legal responsibility to appose the criminals and by apposing, end them.
 
macquariumguy said:
What's not to celebrate? The good guys won and there is one less evil person in the world.
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That's an oversimplification if I ever heard one.

A store is smashed up, a person is dead, two are in prison, a guard just narrowly avoided being killed. While the criminals may have ultimately been stopped this is hardly something to celebrate over. This isn't a movie, comic book or video game. Yet some of the people posting here are filled with glee over this.
 
cdallen said:
More people die daily in the USA through gun crime than in the field of battle across the globe!
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smithrh said:
Good idea, it makes you less an idiot if things didn't actually happen the way you might have assumed they did.

Some tidbits via MDN (so not necessarily vetted 100%)

* Security guard hired by Apple

* Security guard is an ex-deputy sheriff (or retired)

* Suspect may have been shot while driving away

That last point may be an issue; then again, if he was pulling the trigger while driving away, then it won't be.

Lots more to come out, I'm sure.
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The last point, I don't see it as a big deal. The car is a deadly weapon, who is to say he would not have used it to ram the security guard. In short, the sub-human POS was going for another deadly weapon.

Killing him in the car was 100% justified.
 
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