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Don't forget people stomping others to death on Black Friday for less expensive "things."
an average of 11000 people are killed every year in the U.S by guns, There's nothing to see here just carry on.
On a side note: When did mallcops start being armed with real guns? It's been a while since I've been stateside but damn you guys are sad if things have come to this. Poor guy was probably financially squeezed in this economy. Robbing a store might be wrong but he sure didn't deserve to get shot in the head unless he attacked the guard.
On a side note: When did mallcops start being armed with real guns? It's been a while since I've been stateside but damn you guys are sad if things have come to this. Poor guy was probably financially squeezed in this economy. Robbing a store might be wrong but he sure didn't deserve to get shot in the head unless he attacked the guard.
Are you kidding me? YOU are joking right?
If this were to happen, those with guns, most likely criminals, who get them god knows how, will make this country very miserable. They could just walk into your house knowing that you dont own a gun because you arent allowed to and take everything you got.
What you would want, is what Switzerland is doing. Requiring every household to have a gun and training with it. And if you look at the numbers, the crime rate in Switzerland has gone down ALOT with that law. Gun ownage means criminal pwnage just like the mall security guard and the armed robbers.
Check the crime rate in Vermont too. Lots of gun owners there too. The sad fact of the matter is if guns are outlawed, only the criminals will have guns.
I don't see how you are empathetic towards the criminal killed. 40 shots were exchanged and I highly doubt the security guard fired first. It's nice that the good guy is fine for once.
That's more or less what I've been reacting to here - plenty of people talk big about shooting criminals, but how many people are really prepared for that eventuality? It's a very big deal, and it's no game. Obviously you have given serious thought to it, but most people haven't.
He wasn't shot in the head for stealing technical products. He was shot in the head for trying to kill another person. If all he had done were steal some laptops, he'd still be alive right now. Unfortunately he decided he needed to try and kill another person. Get the story straight.
The guard protected because it was his job.
The thief got shot in the head because the guard was doing his job.
If you live in the U.S. please leave, we don't want you.
40 shots were fired. They didn't all come from the guard. Considering the situation I doubt he was aiming for the guys head. And if he was, he's a hell of a shot under fire.
Hm. I was a soldier. We engaged enemy combatants only when absolutely necessary, when the benefit was deemed worth the risk.
If I were a mall cop watching a petty thief make off with merchandise already insured against loss or theft, no way in hell I'd put others lives and my own at risk to engage with deadly force.
...unless they were recklessly endangering civilians with suppression fire, or I somehow lost control of my faculties, both of which may have happened in this case. You can speculate all you want, & you'll never know.
But honestly, our own armed policemen and mall cops scare the **** out of me. Least qualified people, armed and set against not some clear enemies, but our own selves. No thank you.
If I were a mall cop watching a petty thief make off with merchandise already insured against loss or theft, no way in hell I'd put others lives and my own at risk to engage with deadly force.
...unless they were recklessly endangering civilians with suppression fire, or I somehow lost control of my faculties, both of which may have happened in this case. You can speculate all you want, & you'll never know.
But honestly, our own armed policemen and mall cops scare the **** out of me. Least qualified people, armed and set against not some clear enemies, but our own selves. No thank you.
Is the corpse and two accomplices pulling guns and shooting at the guard good enough for ya? The "mall cop" was apparently an off-duty or retired deputy sheriff. Its awesome when people who can't even be troubled to read the article spout off about how we should run our country.
I disagree. If you choose to pull out a gun, you must be prepared to take a life. However, owning or holding a gun does not mean that an intruder WILL die. That seems to be the counter argument around here, that having a gun in the safe means that eventually a life will be lost. I would say that you should not point a gun and be unprepared for that possibility, but plenty of people survive a single gunshot wound these days (assuming it's not the head). Better still, there are shotgun style weapons that are unlikely to kill, and tasers are also unlikely to kill.
And that is a proper response. I'm assuming the family was able to stay upstairs and only had to endure the smell of bacon creeping up the stairs before the police arrived. The only case where I think I could personally fire in such a circumstance were if he had been sleep hunting, carrying a rifle. But even still...
No, death is not the answer, and I said as much in my post. Me thinks you could have accomplished the same thing with a gun, since they appeared to be rather frightened. I also assume you had some training with the blade. I would not suggest that grandma try and pull the same stunt. Not to mention, your event could easily have gone the other way. Were you prepared to take a life when you grabbed a deadly weapon?
Like I said, I like with no weapons besides a bat and my brother, and I would call 911 first. My strategy when walking with girls in locations were we could get robbed, is for the girls to immediately run while I take up a defensive martial arts stance. As soon as the bad guys call my bluff, I turn and run like the wind
Where? "Family escape plan?" "Security system???" What will either do in the scenario I presented: an armed man breaks through your window and enters your house. What do you do?
Throwing a rope ladder out the window seems silly at best. And by the time the security patrol arrives you and your family could be dead.
You go ahead with the pepper spray, I'll go with the revolver. It's a free world (until that intruder binds you up with duct tape, that is).
If someone enters your home with a gun in hand, you must assume intent to harm. As a father and husband, I'm obligated to do so.
Yeah yeah. Whatever. There is still no doubting that the situation with guns over here in Britain is vastly better than it is in the US.Yes because outlawing guns will work. The day the law goes into effect I'm sure all the criminals with guns will go down to the local PD and turn in their weapons. I mean making possession of something illegal has always worked hasn't it? That's why prohibition in the 1920's worked and also why no one has any marijuana today.
When you make something illegal to have, all you do is create an unregulated black market for that product. As long as someone is willing to pay for something, someone else will be willing to supply it. Why do you think our drug war is still going to today with no end in sight? You can't make something go away by saying "no, you can't have that" and then the civilians will be the ones with no way to defend themselves while the criminals do whatever they want because they have a gun.
And if the robbers had shot a innocent person, most of you would be talking about how we all need to be armed.
Funny how it goes. Bad guy gets killed, everyone speculates that cop (or mall cop) was acting irrationally. Bad guy kills cop, everyone is ready for revenge.
Funny how it goes. Bad guy gets killed, everyone speculates that cop (or mall cop) was acting irrationally. Bad guy kills cop, everyone is ready for revenge.
UK - 2008 -
There were 10,182 firearms offences in the year to the end of September compared with 9,755 in the previous 12 months - an increase of more than 400 crimes, or more than eight every week.
That might be true but thousands of people die every year because there's always a bunch of dumbos who don't know how to keep the damn guns locked away or out of reach from kids, So that kinda ruins the whole purpose of being "safe" don't you think? I'd take getting robbed anyday over getting shot accidentally by my dog.
I don't live in switzerland but I do live in Denmark and I can tell you that a good set of labourlaws that secures every worker a right to a decent wage whether you're a truckdriver or a medical doctor leads to MUCH lower crime rates since there's no point in doing crime if you're earning a decent living. None of my neighbours have weapons and we all live a quite comfortable life in a nice suburb, the kids play out on the street without the worry of being kidnapped, shot or run over by some crazed overworked plumber in a truck that's late for work and stressed out because he's only making 9 buck and hour.
This image isn't just in our neighbourhood and it applies to the whole country. So the solution isn't always GUNS GUNS AND MORE GUNS... you can deter crime just as effectively by improving peoples standard of living which helps not just the arms industry but the whole economy!
Everyone should read this and take it in. No rational person relishes the thought of killing someone but men have a duty to protect your family no matter the cost.
Not at all. Gun crime does occasionally happen here and people do die. But I do think that the fact that gun crime in countries that outlaw guns is vastly lower than them who allow then speaks for itself.
I disagree. If you choose to pull out a gun, you must be prepared to take a life. However, owning or holding a gun does not mean that an intruder WILL die. That seems to be the counter argument around here, that having a gun in the safe means that eventually a life will be lost. I would say that you should not point a gun and be unprepared for that possibility, but plenty of people survive a single gunshot wound these days (assuming it's not the head). Better still, there are shotgun style weapons that are unlikely to kill, and tasers are also unlikely to kill.
And that is a proper response. I'm assuming the family was able to stay upstairs and only had to endure the smell of bacon creeping up the stairs before the police arrived. The only case where I think I could personally fire in such a circumstance were if he had been sleep hunting, carrying a rifle. But even still...
No, death is not the answer, and I said as much in my post. Me thinks you could have accomplished the same thing with a gun, since they appeared to be rather frightened. I also assume you had some training with the blade. I would not suggest that grandma try and pull the same stunt. Not to mention, your event could easily have gone the other way. Were you prepared to take a life when you grabbed a deadly weapon?
Like I said, I like with no weapons besides a bat and my brother, and I would call 911 first. My strategy when walking with girls in locations were we could get robbed, is for the girls to immediately run while I take up a defensive martial arts stance. As soon as the bad guys call my bluff, I turn and run like the wind
Four reasons I did not head out the back.
1. Big house. I don't know if I could have hit the back door before they were in.
2. It is about 200 yards to the treeline in my back yard with no cover. If they had guns I would be an easy target.
3. My dog and my cat were in the house.
4. I work from home and had yet to put on pants that morning.
Edited to say, I do have two guns, but a sword does not need to be loaded.
I guess I won't move to the USA anytime soon. If "some stupid people start killing customers" is something that a store expects to happen any day and that they have to be prepared for. However, in this case, had the robbers arrived a bit later when the shop was open and customers had actually been present, the forty shots fired could have easily killed a customer or two or some employees, while an unarmed guard would have let the robbers escape with some hardware and without a shot fired.
Of course, with America being the world's freest country, and free speech and all, you wouldn't want anyone there actually taking advantage of their right of free speech.
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Most aren't prepared and have no idea how they or their bodies will react under that kind of stress. It's internet tough guy syndrome run rampant!
And if they did end up in a shooting, I don't think they'd be ready for the mental trauma associated with killing another person. I've seen people go through it and know I'd be deeply affected, but I just try to balance that with what I'd feel if my action could've prevented someone close to me getting hurt or worse. Thanks for being logical with your position..it's nice to actually have a debate with someone that does just devolve into name calling and irrational post.