Attempted Apple Store Holdup Goes Bad: Suspect Killed

[kdarling]

My question is: why would anyone respond to this thread without first looking up an actual news report? Heck, just Google the news for "otay ranch apple holdup".

For example: this news article.

Then you'd see that it wasn't an inside mall. It was a open storefront on a street.

He wasn't a mall guard. He was a former deputy sheriff, hired by Apple.

He confronted them after they smashed the window. They pulled a gun or guns. At that point, he opened fire.

 

[LagunaSol]

This thread and the commentary from the British contingent has finally made me understand how we ran the Redcoats back across the pond. They were all concerned about decorum while we were just focused on getting the job done.

All in good fun, mates!

 

[PapaStu]

I'm actually surprised this doesn't happen more often. Applestores must be filled with cash. I would think one would be a bit easier to rob than a bank.

Yes, because when I go and buy my MBP i'm rolling with 2 large. I'd bet that +/-95% of Apple Store sales are done via CC. It's been a few years since i've seen anything other than sales people w/ iPhone CC swipers ringing anyone up. It's been a few remodels since i've seen any registers in an Apple store.

Any cash would get deposited daily/nightly like smart retail establishments should all be doing. That was purely for a tech grab. Get in, get the iPhones, iPods, a few lappys and some iPads if they're laying around (though i'm sure that stuff is locked up in the back as is).

 

[scottsjack]

Personally I'm glad that the Apple thief is dead.

I'm kind of conflicted on this. On one hand I hope that no one ever has to kill another person. On the other hand I hope every thief or in America is shot dead on the scene of their crime. I have zero sympathy for violent criminals.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

You go ahead with the pepper spray, I'll go with the revolver. It's a free world (until that intruder binds you up with duct tape, that is).

Do you have any respect at all for the rationale of literally billions of unarmed people who live perfectly normal lives without ever suffering a home invasion? I never once said that I was completely against armed home defense, but you continue to insist that not having a gun is cowardly/stupid/irresponsible. I'm sorry, that is simply not the case for most people.

Home invasion is a real danger - but you're less likey to die from it than heart disease, lung cancer, pneumonia or a car accident. If you want to protect yourself against it, I can understand that, but it is not incumbent on me to prove anything here. Nor does your revolver guarantee that you are safer than I am.

 

[LightSpeed1]

Serves him right.

 

[JimMacFan]

A guard risking his life to protect technical products.

A thief shot in the head for stealing technical products.

US-society is completely sick.

At least the superpower days of this ridiculous country seem to come to an end this decade.

You post this from one of the following.....

1. A country that receives aide from the US on a yearly basis.
2. A country that would not exist if it were not for the US
3. Your mothers basement with posters of Obama's "Got Hope" slogans.

Rob a store and threaten someones life then you get a bullet in the head. I call it a good shot and one less scumbag in society.

 

[ProwlingTiger]

Waiting for the gun control nutjobs to start coming out of the woodwork... oh looks like they already have.

 

[RalfTheDog]

This thread and the commentary from the British contingent has finally made me understand how we ran the Redcoats back across the pond. They were all concerned about decorum while we were just focused on getting the job done.

All in good fun, mates!

Question for the British on this site, Is it true that you guys celebrate the 4th of July as, "The day we finally kicked out those lazy freeloaders and made them get a job"?

 

[farmboy]

I am a fan of the Persuader. "I'd like to persuade you to leave my house now Mr. Bad Guy."

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And that's all well and good, except for when you're awakened and a gun is pressing on your eyeball and your Persuader is unloaded and locked in the gun safe so your kids or dog don't accidentally discharge it. There is no simple solution and you're not always on guard to mortal threats.

 

[glennyboiwpg]

It is amazing just how many times this same stupid comment has been made in this thread. Why do people have to regurgitate the same thing over and over?

Why is is sad a criminal dies while firing at a guard. Why is it sad a person who knows the consequences of carrying a weapon while attempting to rob a store? You play with fire and get burned. Nothing sad about it.

Kudos for the guard for protecting himself. He can sleep at night knowing he is not instead DEAD.

its sad because a mother and father lost a son, brothers and sisters lost a brother, nieces and nephews lost an uncle, people have lost a friend.

Was he a loser, and a horrible person for robbing a place? Probably. But to say that his life was worthless probably isn't true.

 

[Leddy]

That might be true but thousands of people die every year because there's always a bunch of dumbos who don't know how to keep the damn guns locked away or out of reach from kids, So that kinda ruins the whole purpose of being "safe" don't you think? I'd take getting robbed anyday over getting shot accidentally by my dog.

I don't live in switzerland but I do live in Denmark and I can tell you that a good set of labourlaws that secures every worker a right to a decent wage whether you're a truckdriver or a medical doctor leads to MUCH lower crime rates since there's no point in doing crime if you're earning a decent living. None of my neighbours have weapons and we all live a quite comfortable life in a nice suburb, the kids play out on the street without the worry of being kidnapped, shot or run over by some crazed overworked plumber in a truck that's late for work and stressed out because he's only making 9 buck and hour.

This image isn't just in our neighbourhood and it applies to the whole country. So the solution isn't always GUNS GUNS AND MORE GUNS... you can deter crime just as effectively by improving peoples standard of living which helps not just the arms industry but the whole economy!

+1

Reading the comments here make me glad I don't live in America. It seems that your society has been torn apart over there.

 

[AndroidfoLife]

I have to say its harder to aim down the head then it is go for a torso shot.
Two issues: Why the ****ed this rent a cop have a Gun
Second: I would bet he has military or arms training to be able to pull the shot off.

 

[OllyW]

UK - 2008 -

There were 10,182 firearms offences in the year to the end of September compared with 9,755 in the previous 12 months - an increase of more than 400 crimes, or more than eight every week.

There were roughly that number of gun related homicides in the US in the same period (10,100 in 2005).

There were 42 in England, Scotland and Wales last year.

 

[LagunaSol]

I never once said that I was completely against armed home defense, but you continue to insist that not having a gun is cowardly/stupid/irresponsible.

Where did I use any of those words?

Home invasion is a real danger - but you're less likey to die from it than heart disease, lung cancer, pneumonia or a car accident.

Absolutely. I will probably never have to deal with a home invasion scenario. Thankfully. That said, I am prepared for it anyway. I also wear my seat belt. Just in case.

And that's all well and good, except for when you're awakened and a gun is pressing on your eyeball and your Persuader is unloaded and locked in the gun safe so your kids or dog don't accidentally discharge it.

Why would you keep an unloaded home defense weapon in your gun safe???

 

[QuarterSwede]

All I know is that in the counties in the US with the highest gun ownership there is the least crime.

 

[farmboy]

+1

Reading the comments here make me glad I don't live in America. It seems that your society has been torn apart over there.

You would be wrong. A vast majority of people in the U.S. have never even seen a gun outside of a TV show, much less been a witness or victim of a crime involving a gun. Those are the facts; most people do not live in high crime areas. This type of incident raises hysteria levels in Europe, but changes nothing. It's a great place to live.

 

[ProwlingTiger]

I don't care if there are more gun related crimes in America, the 2nd Amendment is an important tenet to the republic that my forefathers established almost 250 years ago. I wouldn't trade any tenet of those freedoms for anything, or move to another country and sacrifice my individual liberty merely to become a Euro-wimp.

"To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm...is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional rights to keep and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court

 

[WestonHarvey1]

+1

Reading the comments here make me glad I don't live in America. It seems that your society has been torn apart over there.

Oh, please. More kids die drowning in pools or drinking bleach. And half the gun accidents are kids living in drug dealer's homes. The idea of that happening in the average American gun owner's home is so out of touch with reality it isn't even funny. Virtually all gun owners have had guns in their homes for generations without anything like that ever happening.

 

[WestonHarvey1]

There were roughly that number of gun related homicides in the US in the same period (10,100 in 2005).

There were 42 in England, Scotland and Wales last year.

We have a massive gang culture that is responsible for those numbers. Guns didn't cause it.

 

[Mikey7c8]

I have to say its harder to aim down the head then it is go for a torso shot.
Two issues: Why the ****ed this rent a cop have a Gun
Second: I would bet he has military or arms training to be able to pull the shot off.

Well, you'd *hope* he/she'd had arms training to be qualified to carry one in public. You're right though, it's not the easiest thing in the world to do.

One thing you can be sure of though, with over 40 shots fired there's no way the head shot was intentional.

 

[dh2005]

I don't care if there are more gun related crimes in America, the 2nd Amendment is an important tenant to the republic that my forefathers established almost 250 years ago. I wouldn't trade any tenant of those freedoms for anything, or move to another country and sacrifice my individual liberty merely to become a Euro-wimp.

"To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm...is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional rights to keep and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court

I think you mean "tenet".

While you were learning to shoot, I was learning to spell.

 

[farmboy]

Why would you keep an unloaded home defense weapon in your gun safe???

Well, first because it's safe, hence the name (sorry, slow pitch over the heart of the plate, so I swung). But also so the kids can't take the clip and gun and put them together. Also, it's not a great idea to keep clips loaded because it weakens the springs and will lead to jamming just when you need it.

But pick your poison: your unloaded gun is by your bedside. A gunman comes into your room. Are you going grab it and say bang? Or it's loaded, and the kids or dog unlocks the safety and something bad happens? I'm just saying a gun in the house or in a holster you're wearing is not something to do lightly.

And we still have to consider how quickly you can size up a situation and get very pissed very quickly so you can shoot-to-kill someone (the correct someone, hopefully). It's not so easy or clear cut.

 

[WestonHarvey1]

Well, first because it's safe, hence the name (sorry, slow pitch over the heart of the plate, so I swung). But also so the kids can't take the clip and gun and put them together. Also, it's not a great idea to keep clips loaded because it weakens the springs and will lead to jamming just when you need it.

All good points except for your self defense weapon. You need to have one if you're going to be a gun owner, and there are ways to mitigate the risks. Nightstand quicksafes, etc.

And nothing beats teaching your children about guns at a young age, to demystify them. No one is more dangerous than the kid whose parents call you before play dates to make sure there's no guns in the house.

 

[rtkane]

Nightstand quicksafes, etc.

I love my gun vault! Motion sensors, alarms, tamper alerts and lockouts all while being a tactile opening safe. All I have to do is rack the slide and it's ready to go without having to worry about the kids getting in to it. And you're right on the money with demystifying guns early.