Attempted Apple Store Holdup Goes Bad: Suspect Killed

[longball11]

That might be true but thousands of people die every year because there's always a bunch of dumbos who don't know how to keep the damn guns locked away or out of reach from kids, So that kinda ruins the whole purpose of being "safe" don't you think? I'd take getting robbed anyday over getting shot accidentally by my dog.

I don't live in switzerland but I do live in Denmark and I can tell you that a good set of labourlaws that secures every worker a right to a decent wage whether you're a truckdriver or a medical doctor leads to MUCH lower crime rates since there's no point in doing crime if you're earning a decent living. None of my neighbours have weapons and we all live a quite comfortable life in a nice suburb, the kids play out on the street without the worry of being kidnapped, shot or run over by some crazed overworked plumber in a truck that's late for work and stressed out because he's only making 9 buck and hour.

This image isn't just in our neighbourhood and it applies to the whole country. So the solution isn't always GUNS GUNS AND MORE GUNS... you can deter crime just as effectively by improving peoples standard of living which helps not just the arms industry but the whole economy!

Well, this ...is..America. I wish there was another United States somewhere else but standard of living isn't going to improve anywhere. These generations of people just get worse and worse. Yes, I'm talking about myself in this generation unfortunately. There's just going to be more and more people.We can't satisfy everybody. The only way we can do our best is make changes.
Another thing, and correct me if I'm wrong, Denmark is is smaller than USA. Therefore, the standard of living is easier to accomplish than the US. No offense intended.

 

[QuarterSwede]

I've been to 28 different countries & there is no place I'd rather be, then the good ole USA. At least I don't act better then anyone else.

My father-in-law was in the Navy and traveled the world and now travels 80% of the time around the world (and US) for business. The one thing he's learned is the more he travels the more he wants to stay in the US. His words not mine (I've only been to Canada).

And nothing beats teaching your children about guns at a young age, to demystify them. No one is more dangerous than the kid whose parents call you before play dates to make sure there's no guns in the house.

I totally freaking agree. They're generally the same parents that wouldn't dare discipline their brat of a child too.

 

[AndroidfoLife]

Fact if guns where harder to obtain in America than the number of homicides would go down by over 100%. These American "Gangsters" are cowards with a weapon in their hands nothing more. When you take their weapons they will be useless many of them don't know how to fight man to man they where force to.

 

[dh2005]

I didn't defend poor spelling skills. They just aren't germane to the subject.

And I am familiar with your colourful Commonwealth spellings.

I have friends who own guns in this country, and that's fine. Guns have their place. I never said that they didn't. And I don't live where you live, so I don't profess to understand the needs that you have.

I just found the first post that I reacted to a tad distasteful. Personally, I don't think that legal approval/precedent is a sufficient excuse for anything - I used to be a lawyer and, believe me, there are many things that are legal but nonetheless very wrong.

 

[vipergts2207]

Neither does yours.

Wait, when did I make a pointless and subjective claim like you did? Your earlier comment exemplifies the typical American attitude that Americans are better than everyone else. You can love your own country and culture without demeaning another person's.

 

[AppleScruff1]

I love my gun vault! Motion sensors, alarms, tamper alerts and lockouts all while being a tactile opening safe. All I have to do is rack the slide and it's ready to go without having to worry about the kids getting in to it. And you're right on the money with demystifying guns early.

Don't let anyone in the Macbook Pro forum see that, they say that fingerprint readers are useless for security.

 

[QuarterSwede]

Fact if guns where harder to obtain in America than the number of homicides would go down by over 100%. These American "Gangsters" are cowards with a weapon in their hands nothing more. When you take their weapons they will be useless many of them don't know how to fight man to man they where force to.

I agree but I'll clarify something. Making guns harder to obtain for law abiding citizens won't help since they get most of them on the black market.

 

[azurehi]

Guard +1

Time to Ban Handguns!

 

[rtkane]

Fact if guns where harder to obtain in America than the number of homicides would go down by over 100%. These American "Gangsters" are cowards with a weapon in their hands nothing more. When you take their weapons they will be useless many of them don't know how to fight man to man they where force to.

So we would..... unkill people??

The problem is that guns are harder to get for those seeking them legally sometimes than it is for the "gangsters". Guns are so pervasive in our society, if you took them away, you'd be mostly taking them away from legal gun owners and not criminals. The guns they use in crimes aren't ones they've obtained by having their prints taken and a background check performed.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Wait, when did I make a pointless and subjective claim like you did? Your earlier comment exemplifies the typical American attitude that Americans are better than everyone else. You can love your own country and culture without demeaning another person's.

Where did I demean another person's culture or country? Of course I feel America is the best country, just as you probably feel wherever you come from is the best country. It's perfectly normal. I never said I was better than anyone else. I stand by my statement.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Your earlier comment exemplifies the typical American attitude that Americans are better than everyone else.

Yet, any other country seems to be exempt from this, if you actually read each post.

And that is not the typical American attitude.

 

[JimMacFan]

Unless the robber was shooting, there is no way he should have shot him in the head.

Shoot him in the ***** leg! He's not gonna get away.

Another ***** moron cop/guard.

No wonder they make $8.50 an hour...idiots.


How many stories like this do we need to hear?

And it's only gonna get worse as the separation between rich and poor grows, and the ***** idiot GOP makes matters worse...

Let me play this out for you.......

Your version =
1.Robber pulls gun.
2. Cop pulls gun.
3. Cop needs to think "oh wait...let me aim for the leg and wound him so he falls down"
4. Cop dead for thinking the above statement and getting shot before he gets to the thought leg.


Real version that should happen anytime a robber or suspect pulls a gun =

1. Suspect pulls gun
2. Cop pulls gun, doesn't think...shoots to kill and protect himself
3. Cop files paperwork and goes home to hug his kids and family
4. Suffers stress from having killed someone.


People want to think we live in a make believe world. Cops have guns to protect society and shoot criminals. Criminals sometimes die.

 

[batchtaster]

Fact if guns where harder to obtain in America than the number of homicides would go down by over 100%.

I'm sorry, but I'm not a fan of guns and I think they need properly controlled and made harder to get, but this sentence is just plain nonsensical. Are you saying that if they were harder to obtain, dead people would be restored to life?

Because you're saying that not only would all homicides be stopped (and I'll skip over the part where you assume that nobody ever kills anyone by poisoning, running them down with a car, or boring them to death with a meeting), but it would go beyond eliminating 100% of deaths, and somehow go into negative territory.

Anyway, feel sorry for the mall cop(s) who had to shoot back and kill, not so much for the douchebag who died. While I don't think he "got what he deserved", it's hard to feel sorry for someone like that.

 

[rtkane]

Don't let anyone in the Macbook Pro forum see that, they say that fingerprint readers are useless for security.

Heh..it's actually not a fingerprint reader but buttons you slip your fingers over and press in certain combinations (mine is a series of 8 key presses in 6 steps which is so ingrained I could do it in my sleep). This way if you get shot before you realize there's an intruder and get your gun out, he can't open your gun safe by lopping off your fingertips!

 

[E.Lizardo]

Love it!
Scumbag total reduced by one.
"The seed of crime bears bitter fruit"

 

[dh2005]

Anyway, feel sorry for the mall cop(s) who had to shoot back and kill, not so much for the douchebag who died. While I don't think he "got what he deserved", it's hard to feel sorry for someone like that.

See, I agree with that. It's not about 'feeling sorry' for the deceased, really, in my opinion - it just sucks that someone had to die for a stupid reason, in upsetting circumstances.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Heh..it's actually not a fingerprint reader but buttons you slip your fingers over and press in certain combinations (mine is a series of 8 key presses in 6 steps which is so ingrained I could do it in my sleep). This way if you get shot before you realize there's an intruder and get your gun out, he can't open your gun safe by lopping off your fingertips!

Do they make any vaults that use fingerprint readers for security?

 

[WestonHarvey1]

Fact if guns where harder to obtain in America than the number of homicides would go down by over 100%. These American "Gangsters" are cowards with a weapon in their hands nothing more. When you take their weapons they will be useless many of them don't know how to fight man to man they where force to.

They're actually pretty damn hard to obtain in America if you're a law abiding citizen. The paperwork, the waiting periods, sometimes fingerprinting, the background checks. If you're a criminal though, well, that's a different story. Laws don't apply to criminals.

I don't think you understand quite how cheap life is to the American Gangster. If these people don't happen to have a gun handy, they're all the more happy to just douse their enemy's house with gasoline and burn it down with their children sleeping inside.

It has nothing to do with guns.

 

[WestonHarvey1]

Do they make any vaults that use fingerprint readers for security?

There's an upgraded model of the one he posted that has a fingerprint reader. It works well from what I've seen, but I get a little nervous about trusting electronics in a crisis.

 

[RalfTheDog]

I've been to 28 different countries & there is no place I'd rather be, then the good ole USA. At least I don't act better then anyone else.

So, what you are trying to say is, "I have been kicked out of 27 other countries and the United States is the only one with low enough standards to let me stay?"

 

[rtkane]

Do they make any vaults that use fingerprint readers for security?

Yeah, it looks like they do!

 

[dh2005]

It has nothing to do with guns.

Point taken - scum is scum - but, come on. You can't say that the availability of guns is absolutely, positively, unrelated to the frequency of homicide in the United States. I mean, are you saying that the exact same number of people would die if guns weren't accessible...?

 

[Popeye206]

Let me play this out for you.......

Your version =
1.Robber pulls gun.
2. Cop pulls gun.
3. Cop needs to think "oh wait...let me aim for the leg and wound him so he falls down"
4. Cop dead for thinking the above statement and getting shot before he gets to the thought leg.

Real version that should happen anytime a robber or suspect pulls a gun =

1. Suspect pulls gun
2. Cop pulls gun, doesn't think...shoots to kill and protect himself
3. Cop files paperwork and goes home to hug his kids and family
4. Suffers stress from having killed someone.

People want to think we live in a make believe world. Cops have guns to protect society and shoot criminals. Criminals sometimes die.

Very true... and not to fuel the fire, but if enough criminals know that pulling a gun means they will die, maybe they'll think twice about pulling a gun to begin with.

 

[RalfTheDog]

There's an upgraded model of the one he posted that has a fingerprint reader. It works well from what I've seen, but I get a little nervous about trusting electronics in a crisis.

If it won't unlock, just throw it at them. The first weapon used on Earth was a rock. They work today as well as they did back then.

 

[linux2mac]

And that's all well and good, except for when you're awakened and a gun is pressing on your eyeball and your Persuader is unloaded and locked in the gun safe so your kids or dog don't accidentally discharge it. There is no simple solution and you're not always on guard to mortal threats.

You are right. The unloaded shotgun locked away in the safe is useless in that home invasion situation.

I know plenty of people that keep their firearms loaded and within reach in the bedroom, and some of them have kids. A gun isn't for everyone.