Attempted Apple Store Holdup Goes Bad: Suspect Killed

[gr8tfly]

Prom1's post was so unbelievably ignorant that I and most others here chose to ignore it. ...

That's the simplest way to deal with the post. It was wrong on so many levels. Warning shots? Shoot tires out? Shoot to maim? Yikes. Prom1: Take a course, and/or read a book on firearm training and safety to get some sense of reality.

 

[Alx9876]

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Bravo and well done. Good job security.

 

[RalfTheDog]

Very true... and not to fuel the fire, but if enough criminals know that pulling a gun means they will die, maybe they'll think twice about pulling a gun to begin with.

Most criminals are morons that don't think anything. Most criminals are also unskilled and have a better chance of shooting themselves than their target.

 

[lilcosco08]

BOOM headshot

What did we learn today?
DON'T ROB A STORE

Dude deserved getting killed

 

[linuxcooldude]

So, what you are trying to say is, "I have been kicked out of 27 other countries and the United States is the only one with low enough standards to let me stay?"

🙂

I was in the military for 20 years, whats your excuse?

 

[rtkane]

There's an upgraded model of the one he posted that has a fingerprint reader. It works well from what I've seen, but I get a little nervous about trusting electronics in a crisis.

Yeah, that's one potential downside to it...I just have to weigh the chances of that happening vs someone shooting themselves (regardless of how much gun safety I expose my kids to). I'm sure as hell not gonna keep it unloaded somewhere where it's useless.

 

[WestonHarvey1]

Point taken - scum is scum - but, come on. You can't say that the availability of guns is absolutely, positively, unrelated to the frequency of homicide in the United States. I mean, are you saying that the exact same number of people would die if guns weren't accessible...?

I don't know, over the whole population, maybe there would be a decrease. But I don't like blindly looking at the entire population and nation as one giant statistic. It's like making a claim about the safety of light aircraft by lumping in the airline safety stats. I wouldn't trade the safety of law abiding citizens for what would probably be a marginal decrease in gang on gang homicides.

Ultimately, if I'm not doing anything wrong with my guns, I don't believe I should have burdensome restrictions placed on me that could have real effects on my security.

 

[Popeye206]

Point taken - scum is scum - but, come on. You can't say that the availability of guns is absolutely, positively, unrelated to the frequency of homicide in the United States. I mean, are you saying that the exact same number of people would die if guns weren't accessible...?

No one will argue that guns help fuel the fire. However, there are so many in circulation now, taking them away will only take them away from the responsible people, leaving only the criminals with guns. Yes... we're stuck in a catch 22 situation. So now we just have to deal with it.

 

[AppleScruff1]

There's an upgraded model of the one he posted that has a fingerprint reader. It works well from what I've seen, but I get a little nervous about trusting electronics in a crisis.

This seems like an excellent solution to me. Keep it on the nightstand next to the bed, extremely secure yet quick and easy to open. I may have to link this at the Macbook Pro forum since they said fingerprint readers were useless. 😀😀

 

[RalfTheDog]

I was in the military for 20 years, whats your excuse?

Demented sense of humor and a pathological inability to keep my mouth shut. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[dh2005]

No one will argue that guns help fuel the fire. However, there are so many in circulation now, taking them away will only take them away from the responsible people, leaving only the criminals with guns. Yes... we're stuck in a catch 22 situation. So now we just have to deal with it.

Like I said - I don't live there, and I don't know how things are.

I just thought the comment that guns had "nothing to do with it" was an indefensible overstatement. Particularly from somebody who's chosen his language so meticulously, up to now.

 

[tkingart]

I guess I won't move to the USA anytime soon. If "some stupid people start killing customers" is something that a store expects to happen any day and that they have to be prepared for. However, in this case, had the robbers arrived a bit later when the shop was open and customers had actually been present, the forty shots fired could have easily killed a customer or two or some employees, while an unarmed guard would have let the robbers escape with some hardware and without a shot fired.



Of course, with America being the world's freest country, and free speech and all, you wouldn't want anyone there actually taking advantage of their right of free speech.

They arrived pretty early in the morning 6:45am, doesn't appear they wanted any sort of confrontation or intent to hurt customers. Maybe the robbers were caught by surprise and the Security Guard went running and gunning after them, with the suspects returning fire as they fled.

I didn't read anything about bullet holes in the store, just glass being smashed then suddenly gunfire and fleeing the scene. Basically at some point the suspects were fleeing and shot from behind while in the car by the Security Guard.

 

[RalfTheDog]

They arrived pretty early in the morning 6:45am, doesn't appear they wanted any sort of confrontation or intent to hurt customers. Maybe the robbers were caught by surprise and the Security Guard went running and gunning after them, with the suspects returning fire as they fled.

I didn't read anything about bullet holes in the store, just glass being smashed then suddenly gunfire and fleeing the scene. Basically at some point the suspects were fleeing and shot from behind while in the car by the Security Guard.

Everyone knows the responsible time to do a smash and grab is 3:07 AM.

 

[Popeye206]

Like I said - I don't live there, and I don't know how things are.

I just thought the comment that guns had "nothing to do with it" was an indefensible overstatement. Particularly from somebody who's chosen his language so meticulously, up to now.

And you were right. 🙂

 

[dh2005]

I don't know, over the whole population, maybe there would be a decrease. But I don't like blindly looking at the entire population and nation as one giant statistic. It's like making a claim about the safety of light aircraft by lumping in the airline safety stats. I wouldn't trade the safety of law abiding citizens for what would probably be a marginal decrease in gang on gang homicides.

Ultimately, if I'm not doing anything wrong with my guns, I don't believe I should have burdensome restrictions placed on me that could have real effects on my security.

Point taken, friend. Maybe it's my training - I just don't trust other people enough for certain things to 'be okay'.

I know it's a complex issue. I probably weighed-in too hard at the outset.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Demented sense of humor and a pathological inability to keep my mouth shut. Do you have a problem with that?

That we already know.

Do you have a problem with that?

Freedom of speech is also an American trait.

 

[Popeye206]

Everyone knows the responsible time to do a smash and grab is 3:07 AM.

No, no... 5am when Duncan Donuts opens! All the cops are busy then! 😛

 

[WestonHarvey1]

This seems like an excellent solution to me. Keep it on the nightstand next to the bed, extremely secure yet quick and easy to open. I may have to link this at the Macbook Pro forum since they said fingerprint readers were useless. 😀😀

They do fall back to combination or key operation if the reader fails. But keep in mind the reader is probably of the type they defeated on Mythbusters with a photocopy of the print. So it's good for when you're sleeping next to it but I'd move it to the big safe in the morning if you're leaving the house without it.

 

[RalfTheDog]

That we already know.

[random quoted drivel from some guy who thinks he is a talking dog...]

Freedom of speech is also an American trait.

LOL, Brilliant comeback!

 

[tkingart]

Everyone knows the responsible time to do a smash and grab is 3:07 AM.

...and that Apple has armed guards when the stores are closed, because their insured against theft gadgets are far more important than human lives.

 

[jlc1978]

Point taken - scum is scum - but, come on. You can't say that the availability of guns is absolutely, positively, unrelated to the frequency of homicide in the United States. I mean, are you saying that the exact same number of people would die if guns weren't accessible...?

If accessibility to guns correlated with homicide rat then Switzerland would have one of the highest in the world. Other societal factors are in play, IMHO. the US is, to a certain extent, a culture where guns play a role in settling disputes, as a result of its history.

 

[RalfTheDog]

...and that Apple has armed guards when the stores are closed, because their insured against theft gadgets are far more important than human lives.

Perhaps they should just keep the doors unlocked and offer to help any robbers carry their stuff out to their cars so they don't trip or hurt their backs?

 

[tkingart]

Perhaps they should just keep the doors unlocked and offer to help any robbers carry their stuff out to their cars so they don't trip or hurt their backs?

Or security cameras and alarms, and let Police do the jobs tax payers pay for.

 

[dh2005]

Other societal factors are in play, IMHO...

Oh, for definite. I'm just disputing the assertion that the availability of firearms has "nothing to do with it".

 

[RalfTheDog]

Or security cameras and alarms, and let Police do the jobs tax payers pay for.

The security guard was police, just off duty at the time.

Edited to say:

It is not the job of the police to protect people. It is the job of the police to arrest the bad guys after they have done bad things and to fill out paperwork. The only one who is responsible for protecting you is you.