Here in the U.S.A. the gun nuts also ignore the statistic that shows if you own a gun it will more likely kill someone in your family than a stranger.
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Attempted Apple Store Holdup Goes Bad: Suspect Killed
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Here in the U.S.A. the gun nuts also ignore the statistic that shows if you own a gun it will more likely kill someone in your family than a stranger.
I was under the impression he was a "former Deputy Sheriff", working as an armed Security Guard for that Apple store, and he was in the store speaking with the Manager at the time the glass doors were smashed.
Thus the very first paragraph:
Dude, not sure where you're going with this, but a couple of things. The guards are there to protect all the property and the people. Second... the criminals pulled their gun first. With dozens of shots fired, it's obvious, the robbers didn't value to guards life either. They lost. Sad, but they dug their own hole.
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I think the three people that purchased guns, bought bullets, planned on robbing a store, drove to that store armed with guns, proceeded to rob the store and began shooting at someone who was a security guard there and whose job it was to protect the facility were the real "instigators" here. What is not currently known is whether the guard shot first. But I'm sure he didn't wake up that morning and decided he would force the criminals to rob his facility. That was probably their own idea, hard as it may be to believe. They have free will. Instead of going to Disneyland, going to the park to have a picnic, or just at home to watch TV, these three criminals chose to do something that could result in prison time, injury or even death of any or all of them. They knew that going in. They were free to chose not to do this, but they chose to do it anyway, so in that way, yes, unfortunately for them and their families and friends, I'm sorry to say, they "did have it coming".
The fact is, these three criminals shot numerous times at another human being, and could have killed or maimed at least one other person. That security guard was a human being, and he may have had a family, friends, and people who loved him and would have mourned his death if just one of those 40 bullets that were flying that day would have killed him instead of the perpetrator of the robbery. Why doesn't THAT part of the story bother you?
Yes, you are correct- the criminal that died was a human being. So are pedophiles, mass murderers, and serial rapists. Hitler was a human being. So was the Hillside Strangler, Charles Manson, Joseph Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, and Idi Amin. So are many of the criminals who chose to destroy other innocent people's lives and now have to live with the consequences of their actions. What's your point?
I doubt you could tell me the name of that study without consulting Google, but feel free to do some research and educate yourself about it. If it isn't used in stats classes as a textbook example of a bad study, it absolutely should be.
Most serious opponents of guns will not cite it anymore.
Evil, stupid or just drugged out, it is sad when any person dies. I am not saying the guard did anything wrong (I am sure he was justified in his actions), just that it is wrong to be glad when another person dies.
I am quite sure the security guard is extremely sad at the loss of life.
I've made a point about this previously.
It's not like I mourn the passing of every human being - in my line of work, you can't do that. But it stinks that a life was lost under those circumstances. It wasn't heroic, or sacrificial, or in any way meaningful - someone got shot in the head because of a crap decision, and the guy that pulled the trigger's gonna have to carry that forever.
Just an observation, I believe 2 of the (male) suspects were armed, it hasn't been said whether or not the female accomplice even had a gun, let alone shot one. It sounds like there was an exchange of gunfire while the suspects were fleeing the scene. If the suspects initiated the exchange they got what was coming to them, if the Security Guard did a run and gun (which we also don't know as of yet), then he elevated a smash and grab into a dangerous situation.
I would sooner defend the Security Guard, so long as he acted appropriately, and didn't just choose to use deadly force from the get go. I'd say it's more likely the suspect reached for his gun, and the Security Guard started shooting. That is justified due to the threat, but giving chase with gunfire is dangerous to the public. I still think it's a sad state of affairs when Apple hires guards armed with guns to protect insured merchandise during closed hours.
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(Perhaps the same thing that will be on the robbers grave.)
In my experience, they don't. Every now and then, one of them realises that working minimum wage isn't so bad... furthermore, I met somebody at law school who turned his life around in his early 20s, so nobody's lost forever.
Which is why, maybe, anybody being shot is a potential loss.
It's sad that people have to resort to stealing. Sad world.
Just in case you didn't realize this, stealing is nothing new. It's gone on since life began here on Earth. Plus, there are people that steal because they have to for survival and those who steal for personal gain. Both are sad in their own way.
No one will argue it's a potential loss. But would have been more of a loss if the guard was the one shot in the head. He didn't provoke it... the guy that died did. Too bad the robber didn't give himself a second chance.
Brilliant comment! Can I have your permission to repost it as many places as possible? I am in total shock by the unimaginable power of your mind. Perhaps you should run for office. (Tea Party)
I know a person who was worse off than this guy. She now pulls in six figures. No one is beyond redemption.