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Transporteur if you want my beta fix, here it is

you will lose ability to automatically downclock cpu (speedstep) = few more C in idle temp, still better then almost killing the cpu like you are now.


http://groths.se/ABF.zip


upload an result image if you can

Hi

Firstly : Thanks for this patch :)

Secondly : Is there an updated version to this first Beta release ?
 
Ok, so lets say Apple releases a fix within the next few weeks.


What is the probability our CPU's lifespan has been dramatically shortened by running these higher temps for the past 9 months? Will they last as long as previous generations?
 
Ok, so lets say Apple releases a fix within the next few weeks.


What is the probability our CPU's lifespan has been dramatically shortened by running these higher temps for the past 9 months? QUOTE]



That is the very question everybody will no doubt be asking in the coming months, when their mac pro's start dying!
 
I guess as long as everyone hangs onto their Apple Care, :apple: will soon have a graveyard of 2009 Mac Pros in the near future :D
 
Ok, so lets say Apple releases a fix within the next few weeks.


What is the probability our CPU's lifespan has been dramatically shortened by running these higher temps for the past 9 months? Will they last as long as previous generations?

From watching my computer under loads with music etc playing I would say that the computer will last longer than you, or the person after you will own it.

From my testing even with it under full FULL load (without audio) the fans don't ramp up but the CPU core temps only hit about 80C (with this new Mac Pro) ad about 85-90 with the old one.

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about lifespan.

If things start dying its because they were weak in the first place, not because of this IMO.
 
Reading comments with interest

Not really noticed an any issues with my 2009 mac pro (2x3.33)

However I did notice that my CPU's jumped about 10 degrees in itunes play back
and droped back down 10 degress on stop playing function

So you didn't read well, because if that's so - your Mac Pro is affected too !

I personally think, that this problem could be much larger and that's why it isn't fixed yet. I am beginning to realize, that this could have much relations to other problems I had and still have with my Mac Pro... As bigyenta said, Apogee interfaces are Apple certified products. However I had much problems with my Apogee interface and the Mac Pro. I had many many long mailings with an Apogee Supporter, and we didn't came to a solution. The problem was about firewire and audio too. It is pretty frustrating and this problem is very very complex and it's hard to get a good perspective.... So we ended up that I should contact apple about this...
 
Honestly, I wouldn't worry about lifespan.

Well ... you may be right, worrying probably doesn't help much in anything. But the car owner who swears his car's so reliable despite the oil level being below the dipstick might not have a good crystal ball.
 
Well ... you may be right, worrying probably doesn't help much in anything. But the car owner who swears his car's so reliable despite the oil level being below the dipstick might not have a good crystal ball.

Very true however, I come from a overclocking community, I regularly pushed chips above and beyond the manufacturers limits.

XP-M 2500+ to 1.9V (stock 1.45 IIRC), Athlon 64 3700+ to 1.7V(stock 1.45 IIRC), C2D E6600 to 1.55V (stock 1.3 IIRC)

Never killed a chip and I had them loaded on the ragged edge for months on end.

They'll be fine I recon.
 
I dont think It will be included on 10.6.3. If that happens I would be left behind. I'm still using 10.5.8 due to some plugin compatibily issues I'm having with versions of software I use not compatible with Snow.

I want/need a standalone fix despite the OS version!!!! Unless apple is willing to pay for my software upgrades to Snow Leopard compatible versions :)
 
Ok, so lets say Apple releases a fix within the next few weeks.


What is the probability our CPU's lifespan has been dramatically shortened by running these higher temps for the past 9 months? Will they last as long as previous generations?

C'mon ! If you Are speaking about a 60' C temperature ( or a 70' C as well) when playing music you have shortened the lifespan of your cpu from 15 down to 10 years ... Maybe ;)
 
Run fans?

Given that a fix is possibly in the works, what is the best thing to do in the meantime? Runs higher fan rpms? I'm using smcfan and have gotten my CPUA (not the heatsink) down to 40c while running eyetv via fw, itunes, handbrake, etc. Thanks to all of you who have been working to bring this to Apple's attention.
 
Given that a fix is possibly in the works, what is the best thing to do in the meantime? Runs higher fan rpms? I'm using smcfan and have gotten my CPUA (not the heatsink) down to 40c while running eyetv via fw, itunes, handbrake, etc. Thanks to all of you who have been working to bring this to Apple's attention.

I just use Fan Control to make the temperature ceiling 70C (on TM CPU A temperature diode). I don't see any downside other than some extra fan noise (the hack doesn't allow fans to get back to idle when the bug's not in play). Most of the time I'm seeing 63C in ambient 28C.
That and crossing fingers for a happy outcome from Apple in the form of a patch soon.

The bug has highlighted 2 other areas for me which won't change re. this bug. I now realise that Apple has no mechanism for accepting input like this from users, so will not be banging my head against that wall again.
I also see now what thin ice I am on having only one 09MP system. The AppleCare repair cycle is horrendous, expensive, slow (month turn around), and very much to be avoided. I see no remedy other than having backup machines, and depending upon other systems for work where possible.

I'd love Apple to radically reform their support operations for Mac Pros, especially in communication, information, listening, and a channeling of MP type support to more competent people. But I'm not optimistic in that.
 
Given that a fix is possibly in the works, what is the best thing to do in the meantime? Runs higher fan rpms? I'm using smcfan and have gotten my CPUA (not the heatsink) down to 40c while running eyetv via fw, itunes, handbrake, etc. Thanks to all of you who have been working to bring this to Apple's attention.

To force slightly higher fan's rpm is a good solution.
More noise, but temperatures under control
 
Mac Pro 2009 Overheating and Performance issues.

As a 2009 MacPro owner, I am very grateful to all for the input here, as I am sure that the issue can be solved - it is just a pitty that it has taken so long for Apple to even begin to listen.

I started off with the G4 then G5 and now the MacPro and this machine has been a disappointment from day one.

I have AppleCare (Singapore) and it is the attitude of the people and knowledge base of the individuals involved that have made the experience both frustrating and forcing me to conclude that my home made MacPro i7 is far better, faster, uses half the power and it is upgradeable. It is 100% down to me and I do not have to deal with the Apple machine that is tiring boring and frustrating.

Come on Apple - give us premium users a better service and support!
 
[...] it is just a pitty that it has taken so long for Apple to even begin to listen.

I don't see any evidence that Apple did listen at all to users/customers. AFAICS the only detectable Apple activity on this bug was after the ars technica article. And we heard only through very tangential hints.
Isn't the lesson in this that if you need to get through to Apple, then sensational international headlines are probably the only avenue possible. And most problems are not appropriate for that channel of communication (besides being likely to be scrambled in the telling).

Apple's communications strategy seems like the hidden parts of an iceberg. Maybe out of sight and silent, but potentially significant all the same.

Not necessarily much different from many companies. Perhaps more a dictatorship than democracy. I'm not sure why the natural expectation should be that user concerns should be heard. It is so obviously in Apple's interests to listen, and bamboozling why they seemingly don't.

It also seemed odd that Apple support operations all over the world seemed to be uniformly deaf. Despite being shown the bug clearly many times, the response was ubiquitous: "within operational parameters". Somehow the blindness was shared. As if all bug reports fell into the same black hole.

A common misconception seems to be that to point at a tech problem (with some grumbling about the frustrations about not being able to get through) is commonly read as some sort of attack on Apple. Apple is a massive, super powerful and wealthy corporation that floats of a cloud of hype (not all of their making). How can a few people trying to point out a bug be seen as heretics, somehow threatening or besmirching the cathedral. I'm boggled at the hostility and ignorance shown in emails from users who seem to feel threatened. They obviously don't realize that fixing bugs is in everyone's interests.

Like people who hunt out this niche forum and try to get it shut down, whine about it, claiming that bug investigators are whiners. Why bother to come.

All very mysterious. Perhaps the inevitable result of unwittingly buying into such a corporation. Maybe everyone needs to realize they are either inside or outside the Borg, there's no comfort in trying to be neutral.
 
We did ? What did I miss ? :eek:

A few people say that they have heard from Apple techs that Apple is aware of the bug and is working on a fix. Also that they have had their freedom of speech curtailed.

The bad news: we've little to talk about now (assuming Apple has got with the program at last), and Apple's still not communicating (no surprise), but the good news: we might only have to wait some days for the whole issue to be done and dusted.

Then I suspect this bug fix will be tested rigorously - more thoroughly than the original approved Apple beta testers tested it.
 
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