I bet the original Apple beta testers are smoking monkeys in big factory halls in china.
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Audio Decoding KILLS MacPro (2009) green factor
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I bet the original Apple beta testers are smoking monkeys in big factory halls in china.
The Mac Pro's (at least mine) was built in Cork
Kind of. They're still made in China, but CTO and final fit is done in Cork.
http://cnettv.cnet.com/i-dissed-steve-jobs/9742-1_53-50083290.html?tag=smallCarouselArea.0
CNET (AppleByte) has now picked up the story as well.
CNET (AppleByte) has now picked up the story as well.
It sure got quiet in this thread all of a sudden
Everyone is too busy hitting refresh on Software Update
It sure got quiet in this thread all of a sudden
We were kindly asked to stay quiet lol
I just want my $3.3k dollars machine fixed...
Quite understandable to want the systems fixed, and fortunately, it's just software....and I want my $6k machine fixed.
But why the silence? What are they holding over your heads?
What are they holding over your heads?
For Galileo, it was enough to see the implements of torture that might be used on him if he didn't quiet down a bit.
Perhaps I'll find out myself since someone at Apple Customer Relations has emailed me out of the blue today, asking about the status of the problem, what test's I've done, that he may be able to resolve" it", if I wish to "work" with him further. He seemed to know me from the ADB, but I sensed he knew more about me than that.
Anyway I agreed to "cooperate" at least as far as listening to what he says. After that, I wonder what will happen. A chip in my neck maybe...silence for a 2010 MP, ... a chance to meet S. Jobs, himself!
For Galileo, it was enough to see the implements of torture that might be used on him if he didn't quiet down a bit.
Perhaps I'll find out myself since someone at Apple Customer Relations has emailed me out of the blue today, asking about the status of the problem, what test's I've done, that he may be able to resolve" it", if I wish to "work" with him further. He seemed to know me from the ADB, but I sensed he knew more about me than that.
Anyway I agreed to "cooperate"
at least as far as listening to what he says. After that, I wonder what will happen. A chip in my neck maybe...silence for a 2010 MP, ... a chance to meet S. Jobs, himself! I've had nothing hung over my head.
Im just going through formal channels, I will update the thread if and when I get some good news
A free upgrade to Gulftown/Westmere 2010 Mac Pro.
Wouldn't you go quiet for that (not that you'd admit it).
I have a data point. I bought the GTX 285 card and I installed it today. I am running itunes and my temp is 51c. Never goes above that. Yesterday when I ran with the ndividia GT120 card, my temp was closer to 58. Not sure why my video card would affect this, but it seems it does. I am maxing this 2.26 machine. I have a VM with windows 7 64 bit running, have 16 gigs of ram. I am downloading torrents and have a very large library of photos and music (25,000 songs +).
Maybe more stream processors on the GTX 285 VS GT120 and due to openCL maybe less "stress" on the nehalems....idk... just taking a wild guess... or maybe a bigger VGA fan.
I'm not sure I'd feel much, if any obligation at this point to keep totally quiet on MR, given the previous treatment (long term denial/"within limits" statements, and even threats issued to at least one person). It's not as if this issue has just been reported...I've had nothing hung over my head.
Im just going through formal channels, I will update the thread if and when I get some good news
I was actually thinking it could be something like this, assuming as part of the agreement is to become a Beta tester of whatever fix/es are generated prior to public release.
Beta testers do get paid in one form or another with corporate software developers.
My CPU A has been at 53C , CPU B at 45C for hours and I stopped all Itunes, VLC and other video/audio sessions. Seems 53 is where I am at now. I am not running the patch posted on this board.
Flash, EyeTV and HTML5 also involved?
I did some tests over the weekend: can anyone with a more thorough knowledge confirm the following?
1) It seems that the temperatures reported with iStat Menu are not accurate, and do not reflect the issue accondingly. I switched to Temperature Monitor, which seems to have more accurate readings. When the issue was present, a spike of +20ºc occured (see attachement for sample).
2) It seems the issue affects ANYTHING that decodes audio - not only playing MP3's with iTunes, but also...
-- Flash web-sites that include any sort of sound and video
-- HTML5 video sites - such as YouTube and Vimeo
-- TV watching with EyeTV, both with 250plus and Hybrid ElGato devices... EDIT: In this case, the issue disappears if playing any channel with the mute function in the EyeTV app screen controller turned on.
-- Any media played by Quicktime X, VLC, iTunes, Quicktime 7, Garageband, LogicPro, etc - whether they are audio or video
Can anyone confirm this?
About Flash, I tried to isolate the issue by installing ClickToFlash, and enabling Flash for individual sites. The ones containing pictures only (such as photo galleries) do not raise the issue, while any other site that had audio (whether it was playing or not) did raise it.
So, I guess the issue has to do with the whole Core Audio of OS X in the MacPros... this is huge problem: such expensive "Pro" machine getting all worked up by simple audio/video playback!!! ... which I guess it's the LEAST kind of files used by MacPro owners, who buy these machines to create such media files. I hope Apple gets this fixed asap.
I did some tests over the weekend: can anyone with a more thorough knowledge confirm the following?
1) It seems that the temperatures reported with iStat Menu are not accurate, and do not reflect the issue accondingly. I switched to Temperature Monitor, which seems to have more accurate readings. When the issue was present, a spike of +20ºc occured (see attachement for sample).
2) It seems the issue affects ANYTHING that decodes audio - not only playing MP3's with iTunes, but also...
-- Flash web-sites that include any sort of sound and video
-- HTML5 video sites - such as YouTube and Vimeo
-- TV watching with EyeTV, both with 250plus and Hybrid ElGato devices... EDIT: In this case, the issue disappears if playing any channel with the mute function in the EyeTV app screen controller turned on.
-- Any media played by Quicktime X, VLC, iTunes, Quicktime 7, Garageband, LogicPro, etc - whether they are audio or video
Can anyone confirm this?
About Flash, I tried to isolate the issue by installing ClickToFlash, and enabling Flash for individual sites. The ones containing pictures only (such as photo galleries) do not raise the issue, while any other site that had audio (whether it was playing or not) did raise it.
So, I guess the issue has to do with the whole Core Audio of OS X in the MacPros... this is huge problem: such expensive "Pro" machine getting all worked up by simple audio/video playback!!! ... which I guess it's the LEAST kind of files used by MacPro owners, who buy these machines to create such media files. I hope Apple gets this fixed asap.
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confirmed... thats the audio bug right there. iStatMenus report heatsinks temps while temperature monitor reports temps from the heat sensor diodes on the cpus.
Yes, we already have done these tests. I am not sure about HTML5 but the other points where already tested...
All,
I just noticed that Chris Foresman at Ars is still taking our case to the masses - hats off to Chris and his helping our cause:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...ating-mac-pro-performance-and-heat-issues.ars
I just noticed that Chris Foresman at Ars is still taking our case to the masses - hats off to Chris and his helping our cause:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...ating-mac-pro-performance-and-heat-issues.ars