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AV Artists Complain Monterey 'Orange Dot' Security Feature Makes Macs Unsuitable for Live Performances

chucker23n1 said:
(5) don’t use a Mac, which is apparently Apple’s recommendation
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There is a not a single commercially-available "live visuals" or "VJ" software that has moved on from OpenGL to Metal. So, once OpenGL is deprecated in another few years, they'll all have to move on from Mac's anyway. So, I suppose the orange dot is fair warning from Apple that app developers need to use Apple's Metal API or GTFO of the platform. Nobody will want to use their oldass software at that time.
 
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Col4bin said:
Have you not read the previous 5 pages of clearly well-written explanation detailing why this is an issue? When you go to the movies, watch television or stream Netflix, would you want a perpetual and obtrusive large orange dot appearing on-screen overlaying the content that you are watching? (Didn’t think so.)
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Hi Col4bin,

You just made another example of the hostile responses. Why can't people be nice? As to answering your question, yes, I read every post prior to my response. I did not see how the dot could be any more intrusive than a station logo or other static element that we see all the time. However, thanks to some non-hostile responses, I think I have a rough idea on why this is a problem for some folks. If you have crafted a presentation or scene, and attempted to control all aspects of it, anything adding something else to the scene would be disconcerting. However, I would postulate that most folks would be like myself, and it wouldn't be a big deal, just as station logos or news updates, or other things are overlayed all the time. Ask any performance artist, other artists are critically aware of mistakes or errors, while the rest of us are often oblivious. Furthermore, I agree that this dot is NOT needed for a secondary display, external or not. An indicator on the main screen should be sufficient for security concerns.

The argument for making a method to disable the dot (from everywhere) is NOT a good idea. This is the same reason Apple made about creating a back-door to bypass a password on an iPhone. If it is possible, someone will figure out a way to use it for nefarious reasons. You could end up with programs that purposely turn the indicator off so that it can covertly record you. By having this indicator, you always know when you are being monitored.

I am expecting Apple to do something about removing it from secondary displays :)

Rich S.
 
LinkRS said:
I did not see how the dot could be any more intrusive than a station logo or other static element that we see all the time.
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Except that it’s someone else’s station logo. You, the presenter, did not put it there.
 
ValerioParisMitritsakis said:
"In their infinite wisdom, Apple has..."

A great conversation starter, to insult the company whose help you need in order to get the matter resolved...
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That company is likely a smaller customer, without enough sales to really influence Apple. If they (Apple's management) thinks this is likely to be problematic over the longer term due to use cases like the one mentioned here, they'll do something.

Get over the issue of phrasing here. It's a nonsense concern.
 
Excellent solution in the AV forums for all that need a fix.

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All credit to Mic Pool!
 
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Yeah, this “problem” is a non-issue. Let’s remove everybody’s security/privacy feature because someone doesn’t like the dot. :rolleyes:
 
LinkRS said:
Why can't people be nice?
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Great example of virtue signalling. But in real life, every person has its own reality living in. You expect someone to be nice when you force upon him your reality? In your video production, you can keep the orange dot, no one will force you to remove it. But in other people's video production, it's for them to decide whether they want the orange dot there or not. Is not for you to decide and is not for Apple to decide.

Most intolerant people are constantly demanding tolerance for themselves.
 
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polyphenol said:
Not sure when this arrived, but if it was present in betas... Did these Audiovisual artists not try out betas?
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If you're a professional anything, you usually wanna stay behind by a whole OS. Mostly because the software and hardware you use takes forever to get updated to work fully with the newest MacOS.

Especially device drivers often break fully because they rely on things that Apple silently drops on new OS releases and the device manufacturers don't have the resources do test everything on every upcoming OS. Looking at you Steinberg. ?
 
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HacKage said:
Is it really though? Like let's be completely honest here, this isn't as big an issue as apps using your mic without telling you.
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Why does it have to show on secondary external monitors though? I have no problem on the main monitor that the operator is using, but it's utterly asinine that it can't be disabled on additional monitors/outputs (yes, the damn dot shows on NDI virtual screens too - utterly rediculous!)
 
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MrCrowbar said:
If you're a professional anything, you usually wanna stay behind by a whole OS. Mostly because the software and hardware you use takes forever to get updated to work fully with the newest MacOS.
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I agree with you but if you are, for example, buying a new M1 MacBook Pro you don't have a choice. You have to start with Monterey (which is a whole other discussion).
 
Small White Car said:
For everyone with a stupid joke comment here - cool - but Apple’s going to lose a lot of high-end clients if they don’t fix this.
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Yup - idiots who don't do professional video really are clueless. I'm amazed with Apple's supposed focus on Pro user that this didn't get caught internally somehow.
I can see the dot on the primary display - but forcing it on all displays? Utterly asinine!
 
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Zoboomafoo said:
What’s escaping me is how many people does this affect? 20?
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lol - anyone using a mac for any presentations - live or streaming or both - this is a HUGE issue.
I can see having the dot on the operator display where the menu bar is, but forcing it on EVERY display is beyond asinine and I can't believe someone at Apple thought it was remotely reasonable.
 
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Shadowcatz said:
So just an observation but if Apple does provide a way for the dot to be disabled that to me means that functionality could be used to disable the dot when it shouldn't be. So I guess the question here really is why would it be acceptable for my privacy to suffer for you? It seems like you are willing to say that is ok.
There should be some solution but it should not involve an easy to use disable feature.
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Why does the dot have to be shown on ALL displays though? It's completely illogical. We are talking 2nd, 3rd, 4th monitors here - not the primary operator display. Orange dot all you want on the primary display - but it's asinine that ALL operating system elements can't be controlled on additional displays.
 
I'm still bitter that Apple has given users no option to remove the volume overlay that appears when you adjust the volume during a video. If they are unwilling to even do that, I can't imagine they're going to jump on this.
 
Ethosik said:
Not to be "that guy" but if this is your business, you really should absolutely NOT do the following:

  • Upgrade to the Latest OS for production without testing first using a test unit (which is why just a few months ago a few businesses I know upgraded from Windows 10 1809....thats a September 2018 version of Windows 10....And it wasn't updated to the latest version either, it was updated to one that ends support mid-next year)
  • Buy a new system with a new OS by default to base your business on and don't expect issues.
If this orange dot is "destroying this person's business" like these comments state, there are bigger issues than what Apple has done and what I mentioned above.
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At some point you aren't going to have a choice. Have a Mac die and want to replace it with a new M1 unit? Guess what - you have no choice; you are FORCED to use Monterey.

This is a monumental f!@k up by Apple and they need to FIX IT without people having to risk work arounds that stop working.
 
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